Who tempted Eve? Satan or the serpent?Why did God punish the serpent?

Greatest I am

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They are the same!!! God wanted a perfect world we are sinners and we go against god's will Adam and Eve opened Pandora's box!!!!!
So you think they should have stayed as bright as bricks and never become as Gods. Right?

We should not have chosen to know or have a moral sense. Right?

If God does not like how he creates us, why does he keep creating us as he does.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

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Now After satan used this creature and Eve fell for it's lies and evil instead of THE ALMIGHTY GOD's Laws, GOD completely changed the beast from what we know as a "Dragon" which could fly had legs, talks, and looks completely more remarkable then the "snake" we see now.
What lie did the serpent who was controlled by Satan say?

If you meant the dying, we know she dis not die for many years so that looks more like God lied. We will not agree on this so let's look at where God lied through omission.

When God punished A & E, he basically used punishments that A & E were not aware of. Do you think that is a moral action on God's part?

We see the serpent giving much more true information that God had omitted in his warning. Right?

How many consequences did God give and how many did Satan give?

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So why would God curse some innocent unoffending creature (since as you said, this creature was made to be cursed) instead of cursing (yet again) Satan himself?
Herself, --- if the Vatican Michal Angelo depictions are what the Catholic and Christians believe and it should be.

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Sand4x105

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Who tempted Eve? Satan or the serpent?Why did God punish the serpent?
In Fairy Tales.... sometimes they get it wrong....

Dogma has Satan taking over a serpent with the power that God gave her when God cast her from heaven. I call Satan, her, because the early church depicted Satan as female. That is clear in Michal Angelo’s paintings in the Vatican.

If Satan took the serpent over and made it speak the words to temp Eve, then Satan would be culpable for the temptation and for God to punish the serpent would have been un-just.

Serpents cannot speak without supernatural help. Satan appears to be guilty while the serpent seems to be innocent.

Why did God punish the serpent instead of Satan?

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DL
Mary had a little lamb....it's fleece was white as snow....
It's not real... it's just a rhyme...
Same as your concern over satan, and the snake...
There is nothing to debate...
Man wrote the Bible... Maybe you chose to believe the 'hand' of god helped these men write the Bible....
How do you know satan was not punished? And the snake was? Get it? Idiotic....
You can not prove that the snake was not punished or was.... and pray tell....
you can not tell us that satan was not punished also.. Get it? Idiotic....

Talking writing about it now... without satan, god, an alien, Moses, adam... the snake standing next to you and thinking you know what happened... Idiotic.....
 

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Interesting topic, many interesting ideas. So for the sake of it lets step back a minute (Gods perception of Time) He It She what ever... created. before there was just void, Just All powerful God with nothing to do except create the biggest biological and the resulting social experiment afterwards.
If you choose to believe in the Bible, a history book containing many parables and life lessons, as transcribed by men working for the church, written by men that were instructed by faith and belief, that were often illiterate and actual stories recorded by other men, we would begin to see a series of possible errors and misinterpretations.
The Bible, not a biography of God, but more a historical inspired reference about men of this world believing in something so strong, that many now believe it came from a supernatural source.
papyrus and coal and not much further along than cave wall drawings, comparatively, as I type this from my desk and it hits your eyes in minutes.

So really, define serpent, define snake, but the lesson to be taught as we see the results of genetically enhanced food, animals, and humans, created by humans playing into this huge social experiment; is how much should we understand, before trying to acquire more knowledge, and creating a life where our brains outweighed our brawn. Too smart for our own good. establishing beliefs that are off the charts in what is considered good or evil. We all have our own moral standards which may be evil in the eyes of those we see as evil.
If the Bible is factual in every way, All things are part of God, created by God, the devil can not exist without God, hence determining the punishment, God can not effectively punish God's creation without destroying something in the process.
Naturally this would hold true for Jesus as well, and historically according to the bible, it did..
Thanks for this. Rather off topic though even as I would not argue against this.

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. And if we look around, we can definitely see indications that disastrous conditions have indeed resulted, though obviously not Only from those aforementioned causes. ^^
Have you ever worked in animal husbandry?

A growing population is considered quite a good experiment and demographers are showing how well off we really are on this earth and how well we are doing from a moral position. The future looks quite good.



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ghostdriver

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Ai
No argument. Who said they did?

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DL
And Satan is going to the lake of fire, with all those fallen angels that tell people they are aliens and are going to take them into space and people like Tom cruise and ect believe it.

The masonic satanic take over will be stopped by the Son of GOD.

 

reasonevangelist

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Man and Women coming magically transforming from a microscopic bacteria is insane.
evolution isn't magic; creationism is.

And, humans didn't come directly from bacteria... lol. It wasn't like there was a puddle of primordial soup and then POOF, there's humans!

This is the problem with any debate like this: creationists refuse to understand anything that conflicts with their preferred theology.

So when we say "we evolved from bacteria," what they hear is "there were no steps between," or, they intentionally misrepresent it, as though we have stated something astronomically absurd.

Just read the damn wiki "introduction to evolution." If you can't understand the concept that life on earth has been evolving for billions of years... idk what else to say. But none of it is based on "magic." I find it profoundly ironic that a hardcore holy roller would use the word "magic" to attempt to discredit anyone who doesn't share their beliefs.

Humans and pre-humans have been around for a very, very long time. "We" evolved from "pre-humans," who were quite similar to us, and they, from pre-pre-humans, to whom they were quite similar. It's incremental and occurs over many, many generations.

It's not like we just "magically" walked out of a "magic" puddle of goo.
 

reasonevangelist

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Hmm. There was a question but I guess you missed it.

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DL
I didn't miss it. The only "eve" who ever existed, was "mitochondrial eve," and there was no "eden," and there was no "serpent temptation." It's all a fable.

My comment was part humor, and referencing the irony that "eating the red apple" was pretty much the same thing as "taking the red pill" in the matrix. Both resulted in a personal revelation of profound knowledge, from which there was no return, which lead the chooser into a much more harsh reality, but with full understanding of the events surrounding them.

If "god" created everything, intentionally, to be exactly as it has been, and will be... then it was indeed "god" who tempted eve. In fact, it was "his plan" from the very beginning.

Unless of course all those Xians are actually wrong about what they think the bible means... (which is what i often assert).
 

reasonevangelist

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Have you ever worked in animal husbandry?

A growing population is considered quite a good experiment and demographers are showing how well off we really are on this earth and how well we are doing from a moral position. The future looks quite good.



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DL
no, i haven't, but that comment opens a years-long debate that i'm not ready for at this time.

Suffice to say: having a whole lot more of something lower-quality, is not in accordance with my definition of "good."
 

reasonevangelist

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One of the issues here, is that "TPTB" perhaps do indeed believe all this occult stuff... either that, or, they are using it intentionally, as a guide for themselves, and a method of controlling the vast majority of the population. Even though there really is no satan and no god (at least not as any of the holy books describe; that is for sure).
 

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Ai


And Satan is going to the lake of fire, with all those fallen angels that tell people they are aliens and are going to take them into space and people like Tom cruise and ect believe it.

The masonic satanic take over will be stopped by the Son of GOD.
A good way to communicate. Talking to yourself and ignoring what was said when you notice you screwed up.

Rather childish but I am sure you don't care.

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DL
 

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I didn't miss it. The only "eve" who ever existed, was "mitochondrial eve," and there was no "eden," and there was no "serpent temptation." It's all a fable.

My comment was part humor, and referencing the irony that "eating the red apple" was pretty much the same thing as "taking the red pill" in the matrix. Both resulted in a personal revelation of profound knowledge, from which there was no return, which lead the chooser into a much more harsh reality, but with full understanding of the events surrounding them.

If "god" created everything, intentionally, to be exactly as it has been, and will be... then it was indeed "god" who tempted eve. In fact, it was "his plan" from the very beginning.

Unless of course all those Xians are actually wrong about what they think the bible means... (which is what i often assert).
The literalist right definitely is. The left and center are more sane but still refuse to grow up.

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no, i haven't, but that comment opens a years-long debate that i'm not ready for at this time.

Suffice to say: having a whole lot more of something lower-quality, is not in accordance with my definition of "good."
What lower quality?

Man is more than he has ever been unless we grew to a point in the distant past and decided to dumb ourselves down. I place that at a very low probability.

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One of the issues here, is that "TPTB" perhaps do indeed believe all this occult stuff... either that, or, they are using it intentionally, as a guide for themselves, and a method of controlling the vast majority of the population. Even though there really is no satan and no god (at least not as any of the holy books describe; that is for sure).
Christians will not agree with that.

As a Gnostic Christian, I can see where those in power would internalize a myth. Seeing a complicated world in a simpler way is beneficial. Parables have been used forever to appease the more simple minds. Sheep have a low attention span.

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ghostdriver

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evolution isn't magic; creationism is.

And, humans didn't come directly from bacteria... lol. It wasn't like there was a puddle of primordial soup and then POOF, there's humans!

This is the problem with any debate like this: creationists refuse to understand anything that conflicts with their preferred theology.

So when we say "we evolved from bacteria," what they hear is "there were no steps between," or, they intentionally misrepresent it, as though we have stated something astronomically absurd.

Just read the damn wiki "introduction to evolution." If you can't understand the concept that life on earth has been evolving for billions of years... idk what else to say. But none of it is based on "magic." I find it profoundly ironic that a hardcore holy roller would use the word "magic" to attempt to discredit anyone who doesn't share their beliefs.

Humans and pre-humans have been around for a very, very long time. "We" evolved from "pre-humans," who were quite similar to us, and they, from pre-pre-humans, to whom they were quite similar. It's incremental and occurs over many, many generations.

It's not like we just "magically" walked out of a "magic" puddle of goo.


The Son of GOD wasn't conceived by a father or mother he was born a virgin and was with GOD before creation. GOD made creation through HIS Son



They said have developed equations to suggest rip apart molecules and make what they call a vacuum not nothing. LOL
At the heart of this work is the idea that a vacuum is not exactly nothing.

"It is better to say, following theoretical physicist Paul Dirac, that a vacuum, or nothing, is the combination of matter and antimatter -- particles and antiparticles.Their density is tremendous, but we cannot perceive any of them because their observable effects entirely cancel each other out," Sokolov said.


"The basic question what is a vacuum, and what is nothing, goes beyond science," he said. "It's embedded deeply in the base not only of theoretical physics, but of our philosophical perception of everything -- of reality, of life, even the religious question of could the world have come from nothing."


What your religion darwinism calls logic and reason for believing the impossible
1. Animals are built a certain way based on there function - LOL truth yet this screams creation not darwinism bacteria people.
2. Living matter is somewhat similar on a molecular level. -Doesn't suggest darwins theory LOL but yes organic material is somewhat similar when compared to sand, metal, water, oxygen.
3. In certain whales sometimes abnormal bone growth has been found on their pelvic bone which is a average a inch. On a eighty foot whale. And all animals and people can have abnormal growth where numerous complex bones grow. Like I had with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sever's_disease or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoliosis- So this is true
You then just assume? The rest of your theory on what? LOL
From those three things you leaned that man and all living things started as the same organism? And that THE HOLY BIBLE isn't true?
WHAT! lets re-read darwins "facts" lol facts that don't suggest his theory in anyway. ^^^
Lets go over the Right whales and Sperm Whales bones again.

Your responses leave me in shame over mankind. A small growth sometimes appears in right whales and sperm whales and is typically a inch and you start to deny GOD.
Everhard Johannes Slijper (1907–1968) was professor of general zoology at Amsterdam University, Netherlands. He was the world’s leading authority on whales. Chapter 2 of his classic work is entitled ‘Evolution and External Appearance.’ In it, he talks about a bone in whales that he calls the ‘pelvic bone,’ which is some 30 centimetres (12 inches) long, ‘but unlike the pelvis of normal mammals it is not attached to the vertebral column.’ This bone serves as an anchorage for the male reproductive organs. Slijper goes on to say that sometimes ‘another small bone may be attached to it.’ Being an evolutionist, he naturally interprets this smaller piece of bone as a throw-back to the femur, or thigh bone, of the whale’s evolutionary ancestor. However, he states that in these occasional cases, the bone in question is generally 2.5 cm (just over an inch) in length, and that it is sometimes ‘fused’ with the pelvic bone.
Note how to this point he has not mentioned anything about a ‘leg’ protruding from a whale’s side. The evidence so far fits just as easily with the idea that some whales (who normally have functional bones in their pelvic region, as he admits) can be born with abnormal bits of bone. There is a complex DNA program which causes the development of the normal bone in this part of the whale’s anatomy. A mutational defect in this program could easily cause one or more extra pieces of bone to form, which would almost inevitably be in the same region, either separate from or fused with the normal bone. In the same way, people can be born with extra fingers, ribs, nipples, etc. If this should extend to two extra pieces of bone, no matter how misshapen or otherwise these were, enthusiastic evolutionists would no doubt interpret one additional piece of bone as a ‘femur,’ and any second one would be labeled a ‘tibia’ (shin bone). Sure enough, Slijper refers to an occasional third bony structure attached to what he has already called a ‘femur’ and labels it as a ‘tibia.’ It occurs in some Right whales and occasionally in some Sperm whales.

Lets talk about some of the impossible things you claim happen because of those three things you observed in the world.
Like my marijuana, you think this seed came from a germ. And it can appear from nothing. And it happens over time.
And Light and water and man and women who physical design is completely exposed to the elements and if we were to attempt to live like "animals" we would die, from too much sun exposure or frostbite and hypothermia. But you claim that we are all one super organism and mankind just decided to do what?Mankind is completely different WOW mankind must of been thinking some happy thoughts? Do thoughts change species form one to another? You are claiming that, Claiming that and then that "law" suddenly changed.
And elephants decided to want to be big? How? Did the "think real big?
This is painful that people believe this blaspheme trash. I think the only reason is because their pride of "i'm perfect and do nothing wrong" contradicts with the truth so they just choose not to involve themselves with the truth, the unavoidable, unstoppable, impending truth.
And light and water and man and women the sun and moon, clouds... and you think these germs can do all these things and leave no evidence and just stop coming from nothing and you don't question how they could do this? Or where they came from? Or why you are physically made the way you are?
And that these germs that have always been here somehow seem to have stopped transforming into things now? And appearing from nothing? Because in reality things don't appear from nothing randomly unless it's made. Things don't switch species when becoming extinct. They just die, and people can't run into the water (us you claiming be the germs) and start to slowly grow gills over generations and become mermaids and be fish people and build Atlantis and have sharks as pets. Shark's, butterflies, scorpions you think came from this same (super organism) that became billions of species and animals based upon what they chose to do while alive. What did the butterfly do to became what it is? What about the shark? What if I want my family to start becoming butterfly people for millions of years later in generation? Best advice?
Or maybe becoming a water melon or marijuana since they are are relative in your religion, you guys got a lot of half melon people in your darwin following?
This is reality not something George Lucas or Steven Spielberg wrote.

Real questions for you^

"You think because GOD ALMIGHTY is the beginning and the end, you can state that the universe can be the same because it's following the same principal? That's completely erroneous.
GOD made the Laws of Physics and is not bound by them.
Before the beginning GOD was.
Matter lacks the ability to create something from nothing, and is bond by the Laws of Physics.



Ceepea : "No, matter has always existed in some form or another. We have no reason to believe matter can be created or destroyed. "

Me:- If matter is here it got created do you have proof that something is able to come from nothing? EXACTLY



Feel free to print off anything and show people the ignorance of this occult religion with impossible statements they claim.

Although many won't care like I said, they have only chosen this religion because this religion promotes homosexuality and sexual perversion.


Below 23 minute and 16 seconds shows Nephilim Skulls...

Watch this..
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Watch 53:50 to see Moon Base 1:27 Ancient Human before the Flood on the Moon They brought her onboard after walking around in the base you can see the face technology from 1:07He explains because of Cold and because Humans lived thousands of years is why she has skin still, you can see her skin decompose differently of course it would naturally be different because of the massive amount of germs that aren't on the moon to break down the substance of the body.
Below 23 minute and 16 seconds shows Nephilim Skulls... Just watch it... Be shocked be in awe. Bacteria is not slowly growing into Humans I will show you what Bill gates and all of these cult leaders have said next post.
 
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