Who says LED doesnt grow big flowers?

KineBoisin420 said:

I'd say those are considered big in the 280W world, LED or otherwise. Remember, this isn't 600W or 1000W or what not...please don't compare apples to oranges.

In total, should be around the 280Gm range, from 4 plants.

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Who says LED doesnt grow big flowers?
sorry if i gave you the impression that i was down-playing your achievements
when i saw the original thread title i was expecting something bigger

after i got over my initial shock i could see your plants are nice and healthy and 10 oz from 4 plants under 280w seems pretty good
if electricity is a major concern , not all growers judge the effectiveness* of their grow this way

if i was a 4 ft10 inch dwarf i would be a tall dwarf
i like your way of thinking
apples n oranges lol

peace

Perspective is everything, m8.

my light is bigger than yours

BlackMesa said:

Whoever says cheap panels can't grow big buds has never tried to use them or are defending their much more expensive purchase. I have been running cheap panels for 3 years now and have it down to a science, 1 gpw is now my baseline for me DWC is a match made in heaven with LED!

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I'm getting close to yielding 1 gpw with my BlackStar Chrome but I use soil. My yields have steadily been getting better. Hoping for over a hundred grams on this Candy Kush run.

buy American and get good quality and help us not our china friends.

tightpockt said:

that's a solid grow my man. Some people are just fucking haters....as if putting someone down builds them up.
If you're getting a gram per watt that means you're pulling 10 ounces with less electricity, less heat, less noise...fuck yeah, i'll take that all day long.
however, from those pics it didn't look like 10 ounces to me. But that's besides the point. The point issome people grow because they love it and they might have limited space, or limited time, or limited funds and they still pull off great results even if its just great results to them.
Everybody here knows the time and effort and attention and risks it takes to do what we do. So instead of shitting on this guy and saying your panel is garbage..your grow sucks ...look how big my plants are etc..
You should be saying good job, keep on growing!

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I said they looked good. Sorry that you took it a an attack. Just I think that 6 weeks of veg should have bigger plants. Although I've never used such a small amount of light to flower ever. And it's mostly because the difference in yield between a 400 an 600 watt HPS is immense. And I agree that those plants don't look to total 10 oz. But could be ive grown some GDP that was crazy dense.

So sorry for offending anyone but I just think with the amount of time spent on these plants that there is a more efficient way to do it. Like pull twice as much in half the time and just shut your light off for the other half the time.

If you can pull 2 to 3 times the bud off a 600 HPS in the same amount of time you pull half as much off of 280 led. You can turn the 600 off for two harvests worth of time and you spent the same amount or less on electricity. Just more at one time.

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Like I said before its strain dependent. My 9lb hammer in veg grows 5 times faster than my cheese og. If you ever grew true master kush or purple kush , those are the slowest growing strains. My buddy veg's pk under a 1000 w in aero and ebb n flow and It takes 3 months to get 2 feet tall. Blue dream is a sativa Dom. Which imo is one of the fastest vegging strains.

hyroot said:

Like I said before its strain dependent. My 9lb hammer in veg grows 5 times faster than my cheese og. If you ever grew true master kush or purple kush , those are the slowest growing strains. My buddy veg's pk under a 1000 w in aero and ebb n flow and It takes 3 months to get 2 feet tall. Blue dream is a sativa Dom. Which imo is one of the fastest vegging strains.

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My og keeps up, not quite as vigorous but not a 3 foot difference. I think it is probably more a light wattage difference here tbh. 400 watt Mh vs t5s isn't a very fair comparison.

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Granted the blue dream does grow insanely fast but not 3x as fast as my lower yielding strains.

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kmog33 said:

My og keeps up, not quite as vigorous but not a 3 foot difference. I think it is probably more a light wattage difference here tbh. 400 watt Mh vs t5s isn't a very fair comparison.

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not all watts are the same. Its about electrical efficiency. A51 led 160 is 47% efficient. It produces a little under 80 watts of light and the rest wasted energy (heat). A 1000w hps is 30% efficient. It produces 300w of light and 700w of wasted energy (heat). A toaster is designed for heat so its 100% efficient. The photosynthetic efficacy comes into play . A t5 with aq bulbs will out perform a 600w mh and hps

hyroot said:

not all watts are the same. Its about electrical efficiency. A51 led 160 is 47% efficient. It produces a little under 80 watts of light and the rest wasted energy (heat). A 1000w hps is 30% efficient. It produces 300w of light and 700w of wasted energy (heat). A toaster is designed for heat so its 100% efficient. The photosynthetic efficacy comes into play . A t5 with aq bulbs will out perform a 600w mh and hps

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That doesn't seem to be the case here though...

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LEDs are the next frontier. They will require new methods and work better with different strains.

Bravo for taking the next step into the future!

This is two weeks veg under a 400 watt metal halide. One plant. So are you saying that your t5s, you vegged 6 weeks under that the plants ended up about the same size as these after flowering and these are only 2.5 weeks old, can outperform that? I'm just confused I think.

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Nice grow! What light brand, what system/nutes, what strain?

You HPS guys don't get it, so whatever...I don't care to grow indoor monster 5' plants under 600-1000W, its about light efficiency. Its about 1GpW with 280W, in organic soil-based medium, that turns around every 8-10 weeks, in less than a 3'x3' footprint. Its about using MainLining technique to create soda can sized colas without little scarfy popcorn buds, and with minimal trimming. If I wanted to scale my lights up to the same wattage as you, I'd expect similar results...scaled up.

Its easy, low maintenance (after the initial MainLining training), highly consistent and repeatable.

kmog33 said:

This is two weeks veg under a 400 watt metal halide. One plant. So are you saying that your t5s, you vegged 6 weeks under that the plants ended up about the same size as these after flowering and these are only 2.5 weeks old, can outperform that? I'm just confused I think.
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I never said that at all. And I'm the one using the T5's in this. You're comparing apples to oranges, comparing a T5 veg to a MH. And I'm not just letting mine grow. I'm using the MainLine technique. And I'm saying 6 weeks from taking the cutting, so that includes rooting time.

108W T5's dont compare to a 400W MH...not sure how anyone can spin it otherwise. But I'm also using 1/4 the wattage you are, and am getting 1GpW still.

Mohican said:

Nice grow! What light brand, what system/nutes, what strain?

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M8, I'll let you figure that out, since I stated all that in previous posts.

kmog33 said:

That doesn't seem to be the case here though...

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I was referring to you saying its a difference in wattage is the issue. So make up your mind.

kmog33 said:

I said they looked good. Sorry that you took it a an attack. Just I think that 6 weeks of veg should have bigger plants. Although I've never used such a small amount of light to flower ever. And it's mostly because the difference in yield between a 400 an 600 watt HPS is immense. And I agree that those plants don't look to total 10 oz. But could be ive grown some GDP that was crazy dense.
So sorry for offending anyone but I just think with the amount of time spent on these plants that there is a more efficient way to do it. Like pull twice as much in half the time and just shut your light off for the other half the time.
If you can pull 2 to 3 times the bud off a 600 HPS in the same amount of time you pull half as much off of 280 led. You can turn the 600 off for two harvests worth of time and you spent the same amount or less on electricity. Just more at one time.

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As I stated earlier, those 2 plants aren't 10oz...there are 4 in total, 2 of each strain. And those "wee ones" you see are still 2-3oz. each. Not bad for plants that are under 3' tall at completion.

Its all good, I dont take it as an attack.

HPS folk dont seem to understand light efficiency. They're the guy that brings a bazooka to a knife fight. Bazookas arent always wanted or needed.