jujment699
Well-Known Member
Here is a big spoiler on breeding. @Maat Aatack.
Some others might find it too irrelevant.
Also im super stoned
and kinda wrote it as a teaching thing perspective for all noobies who read this in addition to maat... but i meant to tell it as more of like a personal method lol so don't think this is textbook or anything lol...
Didn't meant to do it that way but again since i am this took forever so now im just adding this instead of changing the whole thing xD
In other news I have been very busy with these clones:
Got them transplanted! They are huge!
Time to LST!
Also started some new clones!
Just finished supercropping my clone mother! She is about to flower but she is so big I had to do something.
It's been a busy Saturday tending to my plants.
Get to enjoy an early Christmas gift tonight during this season of trimming
Fan leaf joint! Doused in wax, should be able to filler up with bud in an hour.
Before I knew how to grow people would laugh at my absurdity. Who's laughing now?
Me
Some others might find it too irrelevant.
Also im super stoned
and kinda wrote it as a teaching thing perspective for all noobies who read this in addition to maat... but i meant to tell it as more of like a personal method lol so don't think this is textbook or anything lol...Didn't meant to do it that way but again since i am this took forever so now im just adding this instead of changing the whole thing xD
I have already started my processes, so if you would like to keep in contact with me Maat i will let you know what i come up with.
It is actually not too difficult to produce seeds without interrupting the grow! For you it could actually be pretty easy, it was for me the more i researched it!
Cutting clones off of plants and prematurely flowering them will show sex (as you know.) Once pollen pods have begun for clones the males actually survive quite well in window sills regardless of the light cycle.
Pollen can be stored for up to a month at a time.
When you officially flower your mothers, simply paint brushing small bits of pollen on even just one flower could produce hundreds of seeds.
Most people don't like losing "potency" of their mothers, a solution would be to lead you back to the solo cup.
en.seedfinder.eu and other websites have great info about phenotypes and which apply. If there happens to be more than one pheno, all you have to do is cut 4 clones per pheno (that way you can see f1, f2, and f3 generation mixes) so if it has 3 possible phenos, you should cut 12 clones. The desirable and dominant traits can then be back-crossed into the mother/father to keep the "true breed."
Cut clones of known mothers, establish roots, and flower in solo cups. After 2 weeks, you should be able to see differences in the clones and their possible grow styles. If you plan on flowering, only flower 3, and make sure you mark them with labels. Move them to 2 liter containers if you plan to flower solo cup sizes.
It is hard to keep track and find room for male and females with this method, so its best to experiment using colloidal silver (femenized seeds) that way you don't have any "invisible traits." Otherwise you would have double the normal clone cuts, making 3 phenos produce a massive 24 clones to work with, which is wayyyyyy too much lol.
Side note: using feminized seeds as an end result would work but some might hermie out or have problematic inbreeding, but remember with breeding, if you are experienced enough you can still work out these recessive traits to allow a true bred feminized offspring.
Once flowered (unless you've already grown the strain) you can see the different phenos for each 3 solo cup clones. Find the most desirable of the set and pick two female clones that you want to mate (from the clones that remained out of flower that you set aside before)
Time to flower these new selected clones and prepare for pollination. Start dousing one of them in colloidal silver 2 weeks into flower. The pistils will show shortly after on the female, and the one with colloidal silver will have pollen sacks. Once the pollen sacks have an estimated 7-10 day window of being ready they should be placed in a window sill with partial light. Doesn't really matter where. Once those are ready, pollinate the females with them outside of the grow room.
After i pollinate i leave in a dark room for 48 hours, and then place a high powered fan on them for about 1 hour to rid all pollen dust from being dusted up in the tent when i move them back and effecting other plants. You can also rinse them off with distilled water, but pollen still works even after being wet so if any sticks and dries, it will eventually float off to your actual ladies.
2 weeks later pods will form, 4-6 weeks later you should have seeds.
Right now i am using landraces. I have Afghani landrace 100% indica and Malawi landrace 100% sativa seeds.
White widow has been a tough one for me, because of all the known phenos and mixes. Its hard to find the original white widow (which was what i originally bought but my seed company lied and ripped me off.) They claim its the original but it ends up a mix (obviously, or i wouldn't be posting here.)
But white widow comes direct from two land races, there are no other strains in between from what i've read up on.
This next part is the tricky part for me:
Since this particular strain is paired with BB, it is technically already a F1 hybrid. So mating it further would result in an f2 or an f3 which is unreliable and after so much inbreeding, probably a piece of shit. So then if i cut four clones per desirable pheno, i will be looking for the most potent, sturdiest, and fastest growing plants. So every plant i find i would want to either mate with another similar plant or mate back with the mother, that child should then mate with it's technical sister/aunt with the same phenos to produce a sturdy, stocky, fast growing dominant trait. At this point this would be the F3+ category of breeding which means you're plants probably lost most of their potency and they have some inbreeding issues. This is where the land races would come into play, i am planning on mating my two land races until i have a stable pure breed, and considering, that should pretty much be the first generation considering landraces are homogenous.
After this i will have one wwxbb f3 generation and one afghani x malawi f3 generation. Mating these two plants would create a new f1 generation, easy as that!
Here's the step by step:
So for your case i would take 4 clones per plant you have that is a different pheno type.
So for simplicity say there are three phenos
F1 generation -
strong - mate two strongest clones
thick - mate two thickest clones
fast - mate two fastest clones
F2 generation -
strong and thick - mate the offspring from F1
strong and fast - mate the offspring from F1
thick and fast - mate the offspring from F1
F3 generation -
breeding two F2 gens.
strong and thick and fast - 1 strong dominant, thick and fast recessive
strong and thick and fast - 2 thick dominant, strong and fast recessive
strong and thick and fast - 3 fast dominant, thick and strong recessive
After this you may select an official true breeding father/mother with all the desirable traits and pair it with another true breeding father/mother selected through this same process.
After you mate your F3 male and your F3 female you will receive an F1 offspring with revived potency and all the desirable traits (with some surprise recessive phenos.)
and from then on you should be able to back-cross it with the true mother/father to make the offspring true. (Because they will still have recessive traits that need weeded out.[lol @ pun])
The best part of all this?
It can all be going on in the background of a proper grow cycle!
It is actually not too difficult to produce seeds without interrupting the grow! For you it could actually be pretty easy, it was for me the more i researched it!
Cutting clones off of plants and prematurely flowering them will show sex (as you know.) Once pollen pods have begun for clones the males actually survive quite well in window sills regardless of the light cycle.
Pollen can be stored for up to a month at a time.
When you officially flower your mothers, simply paint brushing small bits of pollen on even just one flower could produce hundreds of seeds.
Most people don't like losing "potency" of their mothers, a solution would be to lead you back to the solo cup.
en.seedfinder.eu and other websites have great info about phenotypes and which apply. If there happens to be more than one pheno, all you have to do is cut 4 clones per pheno (that way you can see f1, f2, and f3 generation mixes) so if it has 3 possible phenos, you should cut 12 clones. The desirable and dominant traits can then be back-crossed into the mother/father to keep the "true breed."
Cut clones of known mothers, establish roots, and flower in solo cups. After 2 weeks, you should be able to see differences in the clones and their possible grow styles. If you plan on flowering, only flower 3, and make sure you mark them with labels. Move them to 2 liter containers if you plan to flower solo cup sizes.
It is hard to keep track and find room for male and females with this method, so its best to experiment using colloidal silver (femenized seeds) that way you don't have any "invisible traits." Otherwise you would have double the normal clone cuts, making 3 phenos produce a massive 24 clones to work with, which is wayyyyyy too much lol.
Side note: using feminized seeds as an end result would work but some might hermie out or have problematic inbreeding, but remember with breeding, if you are experienced enough you can still work out these recessive traits to allow a true bred feminized offspring.
Once flowered (unless you've already grown the strain) you can see the different phenos for each 3 solo cup clones. Find the most desirable of the set and pick two female clones that you want to mate (from the clones that remained out of flower that you set aside before)
Time to flower these new selected clones and prepare for pollination. Start dousing one of them in colloidal silver 2 weeks into flower. The pistils will show shortly after on the female, and the one with colloidal silver will have pollen sacks. Once the pollen sacks have an estimated 7-10 day window of being ready they should be placed in a window sill with partial light. Doesn't really matter where. Once those are ready, pollinate the females with them outside of the grow room.
After i pollinate i leave in a dark room for 48 hours, and then place a high powered fan on them for about 1 hour to rid all pollen dust from being dusted up in the tent when i move them back and effecting other plants. You can also rinse them off with distilled water, but pollen still works even after being wet so if any sticks and dries, it will eventually float off to your actual ladies.
2 weeks later pods will form, 4-6 weeks later you should have seeds.
Right now i am using landraces. I have Afghani landrace 100% indica and Malawi landrace 100% sativa seeds.
White widow has been a tough one for me, because of all the known phenos and mixes. Its hard to find the original white widow (which was what i originally bought but my seed company lied and ripped me off.) They claim its the original but it ends up a mix (obviously, or i wouldn't be posting here.)
But white widow comes direct from two land races, there are no other strains in between from what i've read up on.
This next part is the tricky part for me:
Since this particular strain is paired with BB, it is technically already a F1 hybrid. So mating it further would result in an f2 or an f3 which is unreliable and after so much inbreeding, probably a piece of shit. So then if i cut four clones per desirable pheno, i will be looking for the most potent, sturdiest, and fastest growing plants. So every plant i find i would want to either mate with another similar plant or mate back with the mother, that child should then mate with it's technical sister/aunt with the same phenos to produce a sturdy, stocky, fast growing dominant trait. At this point this would be the F3+ category of breeding which means you're plants probably lost most of their potency and they have some inbreeding issues. This is where the land races would come into play, i am planning on mating my two land races until i have a stable pure breed, and considering, that should pretty much be the first generation considering landraces are homogenous.
After this i will have one wwxbb f3 generation and one afghani x malawi f3 generation. Mating these two plants would create a new f1 generation, easy as that!
Here's the step by step:
So for your case i would take 4 clones per plant you have that is a different pheno type.
So for simplicity say there are three phenos
F1 generation -
strong - mate two strongest clones
thick - mate two thickest clones
fast - mate two fastest clones
F2 generation -
strong and thick - mate the offspring from F1
strong and fast - mate the offspring from F1
thick and fast - mate the offspring from F1
F3 generation -
breeding two F2 gens.
strong and thick and fast - 1 strong dominant, thick and fast recessive
strong and thick and fast - 2 thick dominant, strong and fast recessive
strong and thick and fast - 3 fast dominant, thick and strong recessive
After this you may select an official true breeding father/mother with all the desirable traits and pair it with another true breeding father/mother selected through this same process.
After you mate your F3 male and your F3 female you will receive an F1 offspring with revived potency and all the desirable traits (with some surprise recessive phenos.)
and from then on you should be able to back-cross it with the true mother/father to make the offspring true. (Because they will still have recessive traits that need weeded out.[lol @ pun])
The best part of all this?
It can all be going on in the background of a proper grow cycle!
In other news I have been very busy with these clones:
Got them transplanted! They are huge!
Time to LST!
Also started some new clones!
Just finished supercropping my clone mother! She is about to flower but she is so big I had to do something.
It's been a busy Saturday tending to my plants.
Get to enjoy an early Christmas gift tonight during this season of trimming
Fan leaf joint! Doused in wax, should be able to filler up with bud in an hour.
Before I knew how to grow people would laugh at my absurdity. Who's laughing now?
Me
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