White Widow X Bigbud

Maat Aatack

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Honestly I am not enthused right now with how the strain is performing... And the smell? Is rank. The beds smell like road kill they don't smell like buds. Compared to my CSS that is flowering they are grotesque I almost want to take my CSS somewhere else because it's known for it's aroma.

I guess I will wait and see but so far I am "ugh" all over the place right now. Hoping the smell will mature.



I got a 10 pack of these and they are all the same for me right now. Which is good an bad, means good breeding they bred out all the randomization, but then again it seems like some variation might help this strain. I think herbies breeders just brought out aesthetic traits, not so much smokable ones. I could be wrong tho lol
i think this is an interesting observation that shows not only variances within the cross, but between different crosses by separate breeders. I mean only they know for sure what the parents' phenos were in any case you know? Just like we are talking about where we got our genetics, I'm sure breeders have similar conversations. The variation potential for any one cross is mind blowing.
 

jujment699

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I have sativa and indica dominant. They have a sweet pine smell to them. What nutrients are you using?
Well none because if i give em one fucking dose their growth stops for 2 weeks. God im so frustrated with these things.
I was using Big Bloom and Tiger Blom FFOF again at 1/4 str... didn't even use both of them at the same time. very light cal mag added, ph 6.5 thats it.

so again leading back to my main question does anyone know why my 2-8-4 is N tox? Can't even feed, plants are still as big as the last pictures i posted.

i think this is an interesting observation that shows not only variances within the cross, but between different crosses by separate breeders. I mean only they know for sure what the parents' phenos were in any case you know? Just like we are talking about where we got our genetics, I'm sure breeders have similar conversations. The variation potential for any one cross is mind blowing.
I agree with you there, hard to say the parents' phenos, they gotta be like experts, hard for male plants to show phenotypes especially recessive ones, because if the plant has a recessive trait for pink buds, you will never know your male has it because it will never bud. So again i agree its mind blowing.
 

The303Yeti

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Well none because if i give em one fucking dose their growth stops for 2 weeks. God im so frustrated with these things.
I was using Big Bloom and Tiger Blom FFOF again at 1/4 str... didn't even use both of them at the same time. very light cal mag added, ph 6.5 thats it.

so again leading back to my main question does anyone know why my 2-8-4 is N tox? Can't even feed, plants are still as big as the last pictures i posted.



I agree with you there, hard to say the parents' phenos, they gotta be like experts, hard for male plants to show phenotypes especially recessive ones, because if the plant has a recessive trait for pink buds, you will never know your male has it because it will never bud. So again i agree its mind blowing.
I had mild N tox even after flushing. They are recovering and growing.Try flushing and water at a smaller ppm. Do you use micro?
 

jujment699

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Wanna see something else? Just got home and found this:

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So I guess it's not an N tox... Since this is an N DEF. f me idk what's up they are being so temperamental. I checked for root bound but they are 1.5 ft in 3 gals that is nothing I've had 6 foot in 3 gal.
 

jujment699

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I had mild N tox even after flushing. They are recovering and growing.Try flushing and water at a smaller ppm. Do you use micro?
Posted right As I did lol.
I use some solubles but mostly stick to molasses for bud food. Otherwise I use bloom nutes and the concentrate.

I did flush and watered with basic small nutes and calmag only brought me more pain lol
 

jujment699

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Hmmm maybe I will pH food to 6 since I have dolomite lime buffering soil 7 so it'll average out at 6.5. Idk I really can't see it as a pH issue especially since I'm pretty knowledgable about all this :( guess I let this one escape me... Too much blazin lately xD

My first grow I had a disaster with my plants because my tap is naturally 8.9 ph with 1100 PPM. So I didn't know at the time and after they shriveled and died I promised to expertise myself in this and I did. The other plants never clawed tho :/
 

The303Yeti

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Hmmm maybe I will pH food to 6 since I have dolomite lime buffering soil 7 so it'll average out at 6.5. Idk I really can't see it as a pH issue especially since I'm pretty knowledgable about all this :( guess I let this one escape me... Too much blazin lately xD

My first grow I had a disaster with my plants because my tap is naturally 8.9 ph with 1100 PPM. So I didn't know at the time and after they shriveled and died I promised to expertise myself in this and I did. The other plants never clawed tho :/
So we have had some cool nights in Denver and it Kick started my plants flowering. Except the sativa, They just don't give a F$!#.
 

jujment699

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Check this out bro.
http://hubpages.com/hub/the-effect-of-music-on-plant-growth
20% growth rate increase. Another study I read using the Beatles and heavy metal. The music has an effect on water molecules. The heavy metal restricted water flow while the Beatles increased.
Excellent read. I have played piano for 15 years and I produce music daily as a living I am definitely going to study this and write some music code that is fit for plants now.

Does not sound like the strain I'm growing.
Can be hard to say depending on soil and nutes and conditions and again recessive phenos. I agree this problem is disturbing me...

I am starting to get angry at how slow these bastards are growing. And if I'm doing everything right which it seems like I am I don't know why they are going so slow.

I have never seen this. I'm debating feed them or starve them while I figure this out? Because n tox definitely is worse than regular deficiencies... But I can't find any other culprit.
So we have had some cool nights in Denver and it Kick started my plants flowering. Except the sativa, They just don't give a F$!#.
Dang I wish I wasn't in a "secret" area I always wanted to have my girls spend a night out for some aesthetics and for jump start flowering.
 

The303Yeti

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Excellent read. I have played piano for 15 years and I produce music daily as a living I am definitely going to study this and write some music code that is fit for plants now.



Can be hard to say depending on soil and nutes and conditions and again recessive phenos. I agree this problem is disturbing me...

I am starting to get angry at how slow these bastards are growing. And if I'm doing everything right which it seems like I am I don't know why they are going so slow.

I have never seen this. I'm debating feed them or starve them while I figure this out? Because n tox definitely is worse than regular deficiencies... But I can't find any other culprit.


Dang I wish I wasn't in a "secret" area I always wanted to have my girls spend a night out for some aesthetics and for jump start flowering.
It's been 95 in my greenhouse. Hope it doesnt cause problems.
 

jujment699

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It's been 95 in my greenhouse. Hope it doesnt cause problems.
95 isn't bad. My first grow I had no idea about air cooled lights and my plants survived 120-130 lol

Update on my current plants... I stopped the claw somehow... I have no idea. All I did was water without nutes twice and resume my normal regimen.... Lol Finally the plants are budding again.

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Yeti will you show me yours so I can compare size?

Also I got home today and finally my veg plants are all LSTed and ready for flower.
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Is that a fucking sea of tops or what? XD
Big one is strawberry blue clone mom, small ones WWxBb, bottom right is CSS
 

The303Yeti

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95 isn't bad. My first grow I had no idea about air cooled lights and my plants survived 120-130 lol

Update on my current plants... I stopped the claw somehow... I have no idea. All I did was water without nutes twice and resume my normal regimen.... Lol Finally the plants are budding again.

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Yeti will you show me yours so I can compare size?

Also I got home today and finally my veg plants are all LSTed and ready for flower.
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Is that a fucking sea of tops or what? XD
Big one is strawberry blue clone mom, small ones WWxBb, bottom right is CSS
I'll take some pics tomorrow. That strawberry will turn out nice.
 

jujment699

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In the meantime, woke up to some hella trichs. Literally out of nowhere like snow tons of sugar leaves just pounded out like triple the Trichomes of the day before. I was super impressed.

Here is what they were like yesterday so you can see what I mean.(sorry for the lighting)
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