EverythingsHazy
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Anyone compare afghan kush ryder to the fem (not the special) afghan kush photo from WoS??? Seems AKR has a ton of raving reviews and the photo version not so much.. how come?
What's with all the hate on autos..Let's compare.
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Nizza
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https://www.rollitup.org/auto-flowering-strains/764237-call-hydro-exp-gone-mad.html
who said auto's are small? lol
i agree with regs being more potent
i like to wait until a seedlings nodes alternate, and show sex naturally before i flower
also when i flower, instead of flipping to 12 12 i slowly dwindle the light cycle down.
today i switched from 20/4 to 18/6
every day after this i'm going to be subtracting 10 minutes, so to reduce it by 6 hours i'll need 36 more days if doing 10 minutes
if i want to speed up the flip i could go with 20 minutes, but the thing is that the plant will be getting longer cycles, and start to actually be budding at around 13/11 or 14/10. depending on if its sativa or indica determines a 13/11 , 12/12, or 11/13 light cycle
this is somewhat to me a reason people like autos; they can give the plant more light than normal, and the plant is flowering, and is allowed more photosynthesis time, meaning bigger yield?(in some peoples circumstances)
also the fact they're autos, you can do it in a short time period
to me , I don't mind "vegging" because i have a cabinet for it, it's about 120watts of t5 and can hold a good amount of plants (depending how big), given some patience you can have plants ready for your flower room. It's always nice having an abundance of plants to flower , this to me means you're rotating things right. If you find yourself with plants not big enough to flower when chop time comes, is when you might have to plant new ceed or next time get clones a little earlier; this part comes with experience
autos can be a way to avoid this if you like to do things based on X amount of days X amount of bud, but the way i look at it, when most of the autos are half as potent and yield half as much, the veg room makes it worth you get 4x the amount of bud (maybe exaggerating) but does cost some more money.
if you breed auto's , i see the benefits of outdoor mid-season harvests and stuff , and even winter harvests in a greenhouse. The costs of any seed is crazy and to think you have to buy new ones if you aren't breeding them seems crazy to me
who said auto's are small? lol
i agree with regs being more potent
i like to wait until a seedlings nodes alternate, and show sex naturally before i flower
also when i flower, instead of flipping to 12 12 i slowly dwindle the light cycle down.
today i switched from 20/4 to 18/6
every day after this i'm going to be subtracting 10 minutes, so to reduce it by 6 hours i'll need 36 more days if doing 10 minutes
if i want to speed up the flip i could go with 20 minutes, but the thing is that the plant will be getting longer cycles, and start to actually be budding at around 13/11 or 14/10. depending on if its sativa or indica determines a 13/11 , 12/12, or 11/13 light cycle
this is somewhat to me a reason people like autos; they can give the plant more light than normal, and the plant is flowering, and is allowed more photosynthesis time, meaning bigger yield?(in some peoples circumstances)
also the fact they're autos, you can do it in a short time period
to me , I don't mind "vegging" because i have a cabinet for it, it's about 120watts of t5 and can hold a good amount of plants (depending how big), given some patience you can have plants ready for your flower room. It's always nice having an abundance of plants to flower , this to me means you're rotating things right. If you find yourself with plants not big enough to flower when chop time comes, is when you might have to plant new ceed or next time get clones a little earlier; this part comes with experience
autos can be a way to avoid this if you like to do things based on X amount of days X amount of bud, but the way i look at it, when most of the autos are half as potent and yield half as much, the veg room makes it worth you get 4x the amount of bud (maybe exaggerating) but does cost some more money.
if you breed auto's , i see the benefits of outdoor mid-season harvests and stuff , and even winter harvests in a greenhouse. The costs of any seed is crazy and to think you have to buy new ones if you aren't breeding them seems crazy to me
mydanksstank
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All the auto hate makes me sick. For those of you who havent smoked let alone grown one its best you keep your comments to yourself.
With that said I personally have seen autos produce over 10 oz of some of the highest quality buds to speak off in just 75 days. Thats called KNOWING WHAT YUR TALKING ABOUT. And that my friends is where the rest of the benifits come in hand
Cheaper to grow reguardless of how long your light cycle is you use less electricity and thats a FACT, also. Idc if your pumping 1000w hps for 20 hours a day, the fact of the matter is its 3 months vs 6 months of use. Not to menchine if you go led its even cheaper ( even with the inital start up cost of led, over time the outdated hps/mh combo is more expensive and caan be flat out dangerous. )
Less nutrients used = less money spent ; & I know some of you are going to argue " well less nutes is less bud" and you couldnt be any more wrong. Do your research you might be suprised.
as far as potency your clearly dilusional to believe there less potent. I can 100% garuntee if I gaveyou a 1g bong rip of a photo follwed by a 1 g bong rip of an auto you couldnt tell a difference in quality, tast, or high. In the beggining of autos, yeah you might be able to tell but now a days? You dont stand a chance.
With all that said theres still going to be people that bitch and complain kick moan and scream, dragging their feet the whole time because they are afraid of change. I got news for you, autos and led's are the FUTURE so get ued to it, and if you cant see that yet your choosing to be left behind which is fine, but please. Dont detur others based on yur stubborness.
Feel free to call me out I will then turn around and proove you wrong with very well documented grows that will shut you haters down. So fire away
With that said I personally have seen autos produce over 10 oz of some of the highest quality buds to speak off in just 75 days. Thats called KNOWING WHAT YUR TALKING ABOUT. And that my friends is where the rest of the benifits come in hand
Cheaper to grow reguardless of how long your light cycle is you use less electricity and thats a FACT, also. Idc if your pumping 1000w hps for 20 hours a day, the fact of the matter is its 3 months vs 6 months of use. Not to menchine if you go led its even cheaper ( even with the inital start up cost of led, over time the outdated hps/mh combo is more expensive and caan be flat out dangerous. )
Less nutrients used = less money spent ; & I know some of you are going to argue " well less nutes is less bud" and you couldnt be any more wrong. Do your research you might be suprised.
as far as potency your clearly dilusional to believe there less potent. I can 100% garuntee if I gaveyou a 1g bong rip of a photo follwed by a 1 g bong rip of an auto you couldnt tell a difference in quality, tast, or high. In the beggining of autos, yeah you might be able to tell but now a days? You dont stand a chance.
With all that said theres still going to be people that bitch and complain kick moan and scream, dragging their feet the whole time because they are afraid of change. I got news for you, autos and led's are the FUTURE so get ued to it, and if you cant see that yet your choosing to be left behind which is fine, but please. Dont detur others based on yur stubborness.
Feel free to call me out I will then turn around and proove you wrong with very well documented grows that will shut you haters down. So fire away
kinddiesel
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I hate auto because you can clone from them. I cant grow a mommy plant from an auto . so its useless in my set up .
Tigers Wood
Member
make your own fem seeds of em then , its easy to do , you can even do it in a bedroom closet and get hundreds if not thousands , would take a photo plant quite a lot longer growing time before you could cut 1000 clones off it
peace
Mr.Head
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See how much nicer that looks and easier to read it is?
10oz. of top quality smoke? Bullshit, if you call autos top quality you haven't smoked top quality it's that simple. I'll take 2 oz. of primo over 10 oz.s of garbage. 1g bong rips? proving my point for me. You are obviously not where the good weed is, or where testing is possible or you wouldn't even be here arguing such a silly topic when you are clearly wrong.
Not one person is going to say more nutes equals more buds, that's retarded. I don't know who you talk to about growing weed but dumping a whole bottle of nutrients on a plant will kill it not make the buds bigger lol.
Maybe you're the one that needs to try 12/12 from seed with quality genetics and tell me how much better your auto's are. 75 days of 20/4 is 1500 hours your lights are on 75 days of 12/12 900 hours. BUT 12/12 isn't going to finish as fast unless you got like Green Crack or something so add another couple weeks of light 168 hours for 2 weeks puts you at 1068 hours. That's 89 days of 12/12 in 432 less hours. which will start to finish something like Northern Lights or several other strains out there. You can fill your space with more smaller plants and produce better quality end product. Could easily get 2.5 oz's 12/12 from seed. You 10oz. plant is probably going to take up as much floor space as 10 single cola plants.
Are we done here yet?
Led's sure are great technology. Growing hemp is a waste of time if you're trying to grow Marijuana.
As for this left behind bit, LOL Are you fucking kidding me? Why aren't dispensaries in Cali filled to the rim with Auto's they produce more of the same quality smoke right? Get out of town dude. The proof is in the pudding so to speak.
Let's not forget the BEST PART when you find that one in one hundred plant you can clone it and run it FOREVER.
I just finished my first auto (Northern Storm). I got 6.5 ounces (180 grams) dried. I'm quite happy with it. It feels as potent as anything else I've had. My friends (including one who smokes enormous amounts every day) get extremely baked from it.
This was 3-4 days before harvest:
What I like the most about autos is that vegging and flowering plants can be kept in the same space, under the same length of lighting. Much simpler to grow 1 new plant every 2 weeks in a 4x4 tent (5 plants, harvesting one every 2 weeks). Or, put another way, I like how they're not sensitive to stray light during flowering. Don't have to obsess about "total darkness" during lights out.
The only negative I can think of is that they take longer than advertised by seed banks. Mine above took 98 days instead of 65-80 as advertised. I could have harvested during that timeframe with reduced yield. It seems like it was the last 2-3 weeks as the plant was fed water only, consumed its stored nutrients, and slowly approached dying off that the buds bulked up. I'd say about 20-30% more weight.
I'm a new grower. I did my first photosensitive grow with my autoflower. My point is, I'm not emotionally invested in one or the other due to years of doing one thing (and then feeling threatened by something new). I did both types at the same time and I'm leaning very strongly toward doing autos exclusively from now on. I think the only variable at the moment is that I'm waiting to harvest my photosensitive in the next week or two. I shouldn't make any final conclusions until I've fully experienced the photosensitive.
This was 3-4 days before harvest:
What I like the most about autos is that vegging and flowering plants can be kept in the same space, under the same length of lighting. Much simpler to grow 1 new plant every 2 weeks in a 4x4 tent (5 plants, harvesting one every 2 weeks). Or, put another way, I like how they're not sensitive to stray light during flowering. Don't have to obsess about "total darkness" during lights out.
The only negative I can think of is that they take longer than advertised by seed banks. Mine above took 98 days instead of 65-80 as advertised. I could have harvested during that timeframe with reduced yield. It seems like it was the last 2-3 weeks as the plant was fed water only, consumed its stored nutrients, and slowly approached dying off that the buds bulked up. I'd say about 20-30% more weight.
I'm a new grower. I did my first photosensitive grow with my autoflower. My point is, I'm not emotionally invested in one or the other due to years of doing one thing (and then feeling threatened by something new). I did both types at the same time and I'm leaning very strongly toward doing autos exclusively from now on. I think the only variable at the moment is that I'm waiting to harvest my photosensitive in the next week or two. I shouldn't make any final conclusions until I've fully experienced the photosensitive.
polo the don
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For a new grower autos are a great teaching tool. I started indoors with a few Reggie seeds. I used those to check my setup. They turned out to be male. Then I did autos. That's when I learned what female flowers look like. Autos allowed me to see the whole life cycle without having to worry about when to flip. Did not have to measure and double that to see if i had room.
I grow photos now. I'm perpetual so autos won't work for me. If I get an auto as a freebee I'm glad to put it in the veg room.
I did 3 sweet seeds cream mandarin autos and got 13.83 oz cured of pretty good smoke. Easy to grow,very pretty too. I also did a G-13 labs auto diesel(freebee) that gave me 3oz of top shelf bud. Smelled just like Sprite and gasoline while growing, very nice.
Where I'm from (the south) we have ALOT of Reggie. Most of the "dro" is ok at best unless its mine. When I have given auto buds to my "dro" smoking friends they still say its the best shit they ever had. When I give it to my Reggie smokers they truly fall in love
I can't discredit autos. They have their time and place.
Autos were a good stepping stone for me.
I grow photos now. I'm perpetual so autos won't work for me. If I get an auto as a freebee I'm glad to put it in the veg room.
I did 3 sweet seeds cream mandarin autos and got 13.83 oz cured of pretty good smoke. Easy to grow,very pretty too. I also did a G-13 labs auto diesel(freebee) that gave me 3oz of top shelf bud. Smelled just like Sprite and gasoline while growing, very nice.
Where I'm from (the south) we have ALOT of Reggie. Most of the "dro" is ok at best unless its mine. When I have given auto buds to my "dro" smoking friends they still say its the best shit they ever had. When I give it to my Reggie smokers they truly fall in love
I can't discredit autos. They have their time and place.
Autos were a good stepping stone for me.
Mr.Head
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Flowering times will be quoted for Hydro systems I imagine which tend to grow things a little bit faster then soil. That would be my guess anyways, but I've noticed that too with a lot of auto's and even some photo's. AK48 probably isn't going to finish in soil in 49 days or whatever Female seeds says it will if grown "perfectly"
Ivone
Member
I am growing inside, but the winter is over and I will setup greenhouse and if I start in 1 week of April, I believe I can do 2 harvest. No electricity cost, just some nutes and water....Im not mad at all, my use of profanity maybe made it seem that way.
I also meant no offense to the dude I singled out, there are a lot of people who do that. It just doesn't make sense is all.
The op asked a question I gave my answer.
Auto's are fucking garbage and a waste of time
Hard to beat combination don't you think?
Cheers & Peace
Ivone
Member
Awesome! I am planing to go with NLA (similar to yours), so it's great to see your achievement.I just finished my first auto (Northern Storm). I got 6.5 ounces (180 grams) dried. I'm quite happy with it. It feels as potent as anything else I've had. My friends (including one who smokes enormous amounts every day) get extremely baked from it.
This was 3-4 days before harvest:
What I like the most about autos is that vegging and flowering plants can be kept in the same space, under the same length of lighting. Much simpler to grow 1 new plant every 2 weeks in a 4x4 tent (5 plants, harvesting one every 2 weeks). Or, put another way, I like how they're not sensitive to stray light during flowering. Don't have to obsess about "total darkness" during lights out.
The only negative I can think of is that they take longer than advertised by seed banks. Mine above took 98 days instead of 65-80 as advertised. I could have harvested during that timeframe with reduced yield. It seems like it was the last 2-3 weeks as the plant was fed water only, consumed its stored nutrients, and slowly approached dying off that the buds bulked up. I'd say about 20-30% more weight.
I'm a new grower. I did my first photosensitive grow with my autoflower. My point is, I'm not emotionally invested in one or the other due to years of doing one thing (and then feeling threatened by something new). I did both types at the same time and I'm leaning very strongly toward doing autos exclusively from now on. I think the only variable at the moment is that I'm waiting to harvest my photosensitive in the next week or two. I shouldn't make any final conclusions until I've fully experienced the photosensitive.
I'm glad it helped. I was pleasantly surprised by my first auto grow (2nd mj grow, I did a photo before it which didn't turn out well because I didn't know what I was doing. I definitely agree with the other poster who said an auto helps a newbie get through a grow and see how it should look without having to do much to make things happen. I felt like more of a spectator, which was good as a newbie.).Awesome! I am planing to go with NLA (similar to yours), so it's great to see your achievement.
My grow journal is here if you can get anything from it. I would say the biggest thing I learned was to wait longer, let the plant become more decrepit, before harvesting. Also, my t5ho lights did well for veg, but I felt something was lacking in bloom. I'm going to do LEDs during bloom on my next plant. Finally, my journal documents the use of GH Flora Series nutrients. I've since switched to Grow More Sea Grow as discussed here. So far it looks as good or better than the previous plant (in the photo) did at the same 8-week age. Grow More is much less expensive and (so far) looks good.
NorthernMan
Member
Auto's are fucking garbage and a waste of time?????Im not mad at all, my use of profanity maybe made it seem that way.
I also meant no offense to the dude I singled out, there are a lot of people who do that. It just doesn't make sense is all.
The op asked a question I gave my answer.
Auto's are fucking garbage and a waste of time
I'd be happy to take everyones garbage Auto's off their hands so they don't have to waste their time or space storing those THC dripping garbage Auto's!!!
OGEvilgenius
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The head breeder for Kannabia, who specializes quite a bit in autos, says "Photoperiod plants are stronger than autos from the same lineage".
Why? Because ruderalis is ditch weed and you can breed to get some of the characteristics out, but some will remain.
OGEvilgenius
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Autos do have advantages for some, but mostly they are for outdoors. It is nice to be able to plant a seed on your windowsill and have it finish to maturity regardless of season. But, most of us aren't growing on windowsills and if we are we're insane or live somewhere quite remote.
bigbluesky
Member
Noob here. Just ending a photo greenhouse grow with light deprivation as myfirst grow.
Am not sure I want the commitment of managing the light-dep again now, so thinking about autos.
Any recs on seeds / seed banks?
Am not sure I want the commitment of managing the light-dep again now, so thinking about autos.
Any recs on seeds / seed banks?
CanIHazMedicine
New Member
Photo period strains are better then auto's in many ways, including yields, variety, potency, being able to top, clone, veg for a desired amount of time, keep mother plants, etc. etc.
However, I decided to grow auto's for my first grow because of ease. They are packing on buds at 5 weeks from seed, pretty neat. Afghan Kush Ryder has some great smoke reports as well, I have bad insomnia. After these auto's are done I'm excited to see some photo period strains take off. I think people get fixated on a "quick" harvest - auto's can take just as long as some photo periods (3 months)....Auto's are fun though! You have to appreciate breeding but there is no debate when it comes to comparing ruderalis to sativa and indica.
However, I decided to grow auto's for my first grow because of ease. They are packing on buds at 5 weeks from seed, pretty neat. Afghan Kush Ryder has some great smoke reports as well, I have bad insomnia. After these auto's are done I'm excited to see some photo period strains take off. I think people get fixated on a "quick" harvest - auto's can take just as long as some photo periods (3 months)....Auto's are fun though! You have to appreciate breeding but there is no debate when it comes to comparing ruderalis to sativa and indica.
Ivone
Member
Ok, I'll jump in. To grow indoor is not problem and all my girls look good and ready to be chop down in 3 weeks, BUT it's VERY expensive (electricity). My ONLY option is straight outdoor and I have time for that or other option is greenhouse and go with auto. Not only it cost shit (just some nutes and water, but if I get my ass in gear and get them in next 2 weeks, I can get 2 crops during this season. I am getting the seeds tomorrow, get them going inside under 6xCFL T8 for couple 10 to 14 days and then transplant them into greenhouse 12x10 meters monster. I know the majority of you guys are strongly against the autos, but I would like more facts like THC percentage.
Example: if Northern Lights have 20% what would be % in NLA %,10,15 or ?
Example: if Northern Lights have 20% what would be % in NLA %,10,15 or ?
astronomikl
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I have only grown two autos..... Afghan kush ryder and sweet cheese, both I got for free and I was very skeptical. Afghan Kush Ryder turned out better than some of my regs.... and I am growing the sweet cheese right now and it is the frostiest in the batch at the moment. It just depends on what you are looking for. if you are looking for a quick run to smoke.... these are for you, less work, just plant and go. But if you are into looking for phenos, and finding that special one..... photo period plants are the only way to go.
