whats the differance between these 2 nutrients. .?

Uncle Ben

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I also noticed how Peters is now using multi-element chelation also, something Sensi has been doing for a long time. Also, when was it really brought out that high P is not needed? Maybe Big Mike and this video published in 2009?:
And maybe after he read my high phosphorous abuse threads I posted 10 years ago and decided it was time to do a video? Here's one thief fer ya - http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-medical-marijuana-growing/215941-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-enhance-flowering.html

JR Peters was making high quality plant food while "Big Mike" was still messin' in his drawers.
 
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BROBIE

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JR Peters was making high quality plant food while "Big Mike" was still messin' in his drawers.
So, what does that have to do with anything ? JR Peters is messin' in his drawers now.....circle of life.

This young pup here was crappin his pants when I started acoustic too but hell dude, the young replace the old. Dude isn't even out of High School I don't think


No terribly technical but damn......
 
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Uncle Ben

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So, what does that have to do with anything ? JR Peters is messin' in his drawers now.....circle of life.
It means while JR Peters was selling his products after years of design and tests big mike was a little mikey pissin' and shittin' in his drawers. Get it now?
 

BROBIE

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It means while JR Peters was selling his products after years of design and tests big mike was a little mikey pissin' and shittin' in his drawers. Get it now?
Oh I got it 100% and again, so what!! Did Henry Ford make a truck like this?

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Everything gets improved upon.... That's what I get. Peters saw the light too AFTER AN by increasing use of chelates as the technology (or economic feasibility) evolved.
 
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BROBIE

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And maybe after he read my high phosphorous abuse threads I posted 10 years ago and decided it was time to do a video? Here's one thief fer ya - http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-medical-marijuana-growing/215941-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-enhance-flowering.html

JR Peters was making high quality plant food while "Big Mike" was still messin' in his drawers.
Nice edit there UB. In any case " A common mistake for growers when they reach the flowering stage is to start hitting the plants with a high P fert like 10-60-10" as your grass city reference states. Your post #1 of your own High P thread :
"A 1-3-2 blend such as Peter's Pro Blossom Booster, 10-30-20, is one of the best flowering blends on the market because of several factors - it is higher in nitrate N and Mg. It is sold under the Jack's Classic label."

BUT
Mike was talking about even the traditional levels of 1-3-2 in hydro where pk isn't processed as well as outdoors. , not the extreme NPK's you referenced. Mike showed it with analysis too .

I don't get it either how a reference of some guy plagiarizing you has anything to do with anything here.
 
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chuck estevez

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Nice edit there UB. In any case " A common mistake for growers when they reach the flowering stage is to start hitting the plants with a high P fert like 10-60-10" as your grass city reference states. Your post #1 of your own High P thread :
"A 1-3-2 blend such as Peter's Pro Blossom Booster, 10-30-20, is one of the best flowering blends on the market because of several factors - it is higher in nitrate N and Mg. It is sold under the Jack's Classic label."

BUT
Mike was talking about even the traditional levels of 1-3-2 in hydro where pk isn't processed as well as outdoors. , not the extreme NPK's you referenced. Mike showed it with analysis too. You did not invent this idea. sorry.
Big Mike, your hero.
 

TonightYou

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Big Mike is a fucking joke.

Marketing to the noobs and those unfamiliar with growing plants. Cannabis isn't some magical (okay it is fucking awesome) plant to grow. In fact, it's pretty easy and forgiving. That's why I am always shocked at people with no leaves on their plants, burnt leaves and other sign of serious neglect. That man is better marketing than producing a product. I only wish I had no ethical qualms with taking people for a ride.
 

BROBIE

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Big Mike is a fucking joke.

Marketing to the noobs and those unfamiliar with growing plants. Cannabis isn't some magical (okay it is fucking awesome) plant to grow. In fact, it's pretty easy and forgiving. That's why I am always shocked at people with no leaves on their plants, burnt leaves and other sign of serious neglect. That man is better marketing than producing a product. I only wish I had no ethical qualms with taking people for a ride.
How do you equate these no or missing leaves with AN grows? I can't really find any, show me some. If you do, I bet I would find it's something the grower did wrong. Seems to me the vast majority of "bad" or I would say "troubled" grows directly attributed to a nutrient is by far with Fox Farm. Next would be Botanicare. Have you listened to the bullshit Botanicare spews too? Big Mike is a salesman, no argument there, and that's all he is. The brainpower is with the R&D side and the Marketing team. Seems to me it's working since about every hydro store I go to I see AN there, without dust accumulating on the bottle, before I see others like Dutch or Humboldt. If a product doesn't sell it will not get on the shelves of a smartly managed retail store. So keep hating someone who is good at what he does. I can't stand him either for the record. He's like Ty Cobb, you hate him but he's a damn good ballplayer.
 

chuck estevez

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How do you equate these no or missing leaves with AN grows? I can't really find any, show me some. If you do, I bet I would find it's something the grower did wrong. Seems to me the vast majority of "bad" or I would say "troubled" grows directly attributed to a nutrient is by far with Fox Farm. Next would be Botanicare. Have you listened to the bullshit Botanicare spews too? Big Mike is a salesman, no argument there, and that's all he is. The brainpower is with the R&D side and the Marketing team. Seems to me it's working since about every hydro store I go to I see AN there, without dust accumulating on the bottle, before I see others like Dutch or Humboldt. If a product doesn't sell it will not get on the shelves of a smartly managed retail store. So keep hating someone who is good at what he does. I can't stand him either for the record. He's like Ty Cobb, you hate him but he's a damn good ballplayer.
check out hydro stores in so cal, most are dropping AN off their shelves.
 

TonightYou

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Yea, I don't use it anymore because I had to always be reactionary with it. It was annoying. I am satisfied with Happy Frog, just needs some Calcium added into the mix with additional perlite. Their three bottles just cause headaches and problems, even feeding far below recommended rates.

Keep them leave green, 8 different, healthy gals at different stages.
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Jbone77

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I still love PHP Sensigrow for a base, works great, is simple, works great for hydro and isn't expensive, I also love Jack's, is as simple as it gets for a few bucks, but I have spent nearly a year off these sites and have done nothing but organic soil runs a.d raw salt hydro runs, either method gives better/less expensive results than either Jack's or AN.
 

TonightYou

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Going cheaper with base salts would be nice, but more work and tons of shit to order in giant bags.

If I had space for compost and land, I'd be running organic because it's very simple. Until Then I'll carry on with my wonderful blue Jacks
 

Jbone77

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Going cheaper with base salts would be nice, but more work and tons of shit to order in giant bags.

If I had space for compost and land, I'd be running organic because it's very simple. Until Then I'll carry on with my wonderful blue Jacks
I thought the same thing a while back, turns out I was just doubting my ability, my stock solutions for hydro take up a small cabinet. Soil is for organics, if you want to run salts run hydro
 

TonightYou

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I thought the same thing a while back, turns out I was just doubting my ability, my stock solutions for hydro take up a small cabinet. Soil is for organics, if you want to run salts run hydro
Would love to play in the hydro world but:
1.) Renting, don't need the worry of possible spills, leaks or anything
2.) Don't have enough juice to run what I'd need to safely. I don't want my circuit overloaded
3.) Power outages... would have sucked the last time if went out
 

Jbone77

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Would love to play in the hydro world but:
1.) Renting, don't need the worry of possible spills, leaks or anything
2.) Don't have enough juice to run what I'd need to safely. I don't want my circuit overloaded
3.) Power outages... would have sucked the last time if went out
I get it, trust me I do, intimidated by hydro and Jack's is affordable, it works, and is readily available, but here's the kicker, why would 5lbs of Jack's take up less space than 5 lbs of raw salt? Jack's is a raw salt with an analysis, easily reverse engineered if you want.
 

TonightYou

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I'm not intimidated to run hydro, I simply can't in my current position. It's not rocket science and I can think of quite a few different ways I'd consider if things align.

I'd have to get a few large bags and have more fertilizer than I'd know what to do with. Why do the work when a perfectly fine one exists in the market place? Making fertilizer isn't my hobby, growing cannabis is.
 

Jbone77

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I'm not intimidated to run hydro, I simply can't in my current position. It's not rocket science and I can think of quite a few different ways I'd consider if things align.

I'd have to get a few large bags and have more fertilizer than I'd know what to do with. Why do the work when a perfectly fine one exists in the market place? Making fertilizer isn't my hobby, growing cannabis is.
I'm not trying to sell you anything, I don't care what you use, I'm just pointing out that you don't need a bunch of large bags of salts to replace Jack's, you buy it by the pound
 

Uncle Ben

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Everything gets improved upon.... That's what I get. Peters saw the light too AFTER AN by increasing use of chelates as the technology (or economic feasibility) evolved.
What the hell are you talkin' about? Jack Peters has always included chelated micros, long before Big Dick started screwing kids.

Get your facts straight......
 
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