whats the differance between these 2 nutrients. .?

BROBIE

BROBIE

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Uncle Ben said:
And just why might that be?



You're really not getting this but I'll try one more time and then give up - 1 tsp/gallon of Dyna-Gro provides 13 essential elements for proper plant performance. That equates to just pennies per dose. There is not ONE Sensi product that is complete that I know of. Another damn good reason why any clear headed consumer would steer clear. Their goal is to stick it to you noobs any which way they can by selling in part not whole....and they do. ;)


Bushmaster, Gravity....they're all the same to me. Here's one thread that just may disagree with you - https://www.rollitup.org/t/substitute-for-gravity.655110/
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I'll try one more time also: How does pennies a dose trump my argument that AN saves time and ph pens? Again the "noob", an insult , again "clear headed", an insult. Is that the only way you can support your argument? when I stated I DID grow with both products and came to a different conclusion, how is that "noob" and not "clear headed"? How is Sensi incomplete? What does it lack when I grew using both products and Sensi grew just as well WITHOUT sups like Magpro.

You started by accusing AN of using wild ass banned ingredients yet I showed you it did not. "Bushmaster, Gravity all the same to me and here is one thread that may disagree with me"? Red Herring there, has nothing to do with the fact that you accused AN of selling that shit just as an attempt to substantiate your argument. How does that link relate to anything? I don't like all the bullshit sups either. Isn't the conversation about AN base?
So what's next, pedophilia ?
 
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Doer

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Why do you have to use all this charged argumentative terminology? Why do you think this is anything more than a serious discussion? Why are you so defensive?

You know we have an ignore list here? People that just want the right fight, get nothing.

trump my argument
support your argument
You started by accusing
you accused AN
an attempt to substantiate your argument
Isn't the conversation about (suddenly a conversation???)
So what's next, pedophilia ?

So, grow up or not. But, stop being a fight boy or get ignored completely.
 
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BROBIE said:
Yes, you had to edit to cover your obvious lie and to save face. You can't do business at your margins. Fact. We will see posts of you boo-hooing how the country sucks cuz you went out of business.

Anyways, why did you add in all those AN sups in your argument as to which nutrients were cheaper? We were talking about base nutrients. AN 3-part vs GH 3-part. If you delve deeper in the ingredients you will find AN 3-part has all those extras: Amino's, Fulvics, surfactant, chealators (ALL Macro's) PH-Perfect, all for $70-80 /gal. GH I can't get sub 100$/gal anywhere. See, with the extras in the AN base , there is no need for those other rip-off bottles you mention like Big Bud or Carbo crap. I'm not arguing that AN will take you to the cleaners, but so will all these other nute lines. But You still fail to substantiate your argument by combining sups with the bases, lets stick with the facts.
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What edit? The one where I sated it was an edit.... I got nothing to hide. Just showing you what I sold bulbs for.


BROBIE said:
Yes, you had to edit to cover your obvious lie and to save face. You can't do business at your margins. Fact. We will see posts of you boo-hooing how the country sucks cuz you went out of business.
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Edit and just to piss on your cornflakes a bit some more.

A customer came in today for replacement digital ballast just after I posted this originally. The model he had was no longer available. I replaced with it with a model that cost me $30 more. I broke even on the deal but a happy customer.

Two weeks ago I sold 20 Hortilux 940 bulbs for $175 after tax. I made $5 profit on each bulb. The guy is picking up 10 more tomorrow.

As for my business its not like I sell eveything at 15%, so seem to be overlooking what I said. I have charged people those prices when I wanted them to show with me and not shop at any other store. Its either having them go out the door or give me money and stay shopping with me.

BROBIE said:
Anyways, why did you add in all those AN sups in your argument as to which nutrients were cheaper? We were talking about base nutrients. AN 3-part vs GH 3-part. If you delve deeper in the ingredients you will find AN 3-part has all those extras: Amino's, Fulvics, surfactant, chealators (ALL Macro's) PH-Perfect, all for $70-80 /gal. GH I can't get sub 100$/gal anywhere. See, with the extras in the AN base , there is no need for those other rip-off bottles you mention like Big Bud or Carbo crap. I'm not arguing that AN will take you to the cleaners, but so will all these other nute lines. But You still fail to substantiate your argument by combining sups with the bases, lets stick with the facts.
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Ok let me make it even easier for you. I'll have to wait till I get to work to get the proper prices BUT you also seems to overlook the fact that you need TWO sets of AN Sensi


Sensi Grow A+B
Sensi Bloom A+B

where as for GH you just need 3 bottles.

GH Grow
GH Bloom
GH Micro

So at $90 after taxes for GH or $140+ for the Sensi

So

GH 12L 90$/12 = $7.5/L
Sensi 16L $140/16 = $8.75

So here you are trolling over a few dollars and splitting hairs.

But they what do I know since I sell 6-10 sets of GH 24Lper week while I've never sold a 3 part PH perfect or JJ and they're still sitting on my floor months after I brought them to the store.
 
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TonightYou

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Uncle Ben said:
You can use the Citrus FeED from start to finish. I don't use Bloom foods and the cannabis specific foods actually will reduce yields because they induce premature defoliation. With many pinheads, defoliation is a good thing "cause Johnny does it and it works!" :)

Look at the specs on the Petunia food, the link. I swear it was designed for cannabis (very high Mg for starts). A fairly high nitrate form of N.
  • Contains double the iron found in typical peat-like formulations
  • Iron is derived from three chelate sources - EDDHA, EDTA, and DTPA to keep it available over a broad range of growing medium pH values
  • Contains additional magnesium for optimum crop performance
  • Low phosphorus level helps prevent excessive elongation
  • High nitrate nitrogen, moderately high potential acidity and no urea
  • Not recommended for geraniums or other iron sensitive crops

The 23-3-19 food would work great for start to finish in soil. Now if you must and some pros are experimenting with it...... Jack's has a new product called AquaGold that you could "finish" with.
http://forum.howtogrowmarijuana.com/forum/the-grow-room-basics-to-advanced-our-members-know-it-all/grow-diaries/33653-breakin-all-the-rules

I looked at all of JR Peter's foods and there are many that look great, think the Palm food was one of them...don't remember. Kicker is shipping costs and economy of scale that is IF you can find your formula for sale. After adding in all extraneous costs like shipping it's almost as costly to buy a 1.5 lb. tub as is a 25 lb. bag. If you're in the states you're gonna pay UPS charges of at least $12 even for a very small amount. Petunia food with extra Mg is a bargain - $2.12/lb.? Are you kidding me? I challenge any one to come close to such fertilizer quality and value.

UB
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While it's been a while, you were a convincing member to switch to Jacks. Well over a year or so ago. Again, couldn't be happier. How great it is to spend $50 and still have fertilizer a year later with more to go?

You are right on the shipping be a bitch compared to economies of scale, but even not considering the saving, the performance alone is awesome.

I saw the gold flake I think you are talking about when I posted the other message last night. That looked quite nice. Now amazon prime has a bunch for around the same price so I will need to pull the trigger soon.

Just happy to have them as an option. I'd try dyna grow, but why deviate from something good and working with?
 
BROBIE

BROBIE

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CannaReview said:
What edit? The one where I sated it was an edit.... I got nothing to hide. Just showing you what I sold bulbs for.



Edit and just to piss on your cornflakes a bit some more.

A customer came in today for replacement digital ballast just after I posted this originally. The model he had was no longer available. I replaced with it with a model that cost me $30 more. I broke even on the deal but a happy customer.

Two weeks ago I sold 20 Hortilux 940 bulbs for $175 after tax. I made $5 profit on each bulb. The guy is picking up 10 more tomorrow.

As for my business its not like I sell eveything at 15%, so seem to be overlooking what I said. I have charged people those prices when I wanted them to show with me and not shop at any other store. Its either having them go out the door or give me money and stay shopping with me.



Ok let me make it even easier for you. I'll have to wait till I get to work to get the proper prices BUT you also seems to overlook the fact that you need TWO sets of AN Sensi


Sensi Grow A+B
Sensi Bloom A+B

where as for GH you just need 3 bottles.

GH Grow
GH Bloom
GH Micro

So at $90 after taxes for GH or $140+ for the Sensi

So

GH 12L 90$/12 = $7.5/L
Sensi 16L $140/16 = $8.75

So here you are trolling over a few dollars and splitting hairs.

But they what do I know since I sell 6-10 sets of GH 24Lper week while I've never sold a 3 part PH perfect or JJ and they're still sitting on my floor months after I brought them to the store.
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You don't need to make it easier for me. I can see when one has a distorted thought process. OK for 1 Sensi grow uses MUCH less for Veg stage than Bloom. so your math is off. I get 3 times the grows in Grow then Bloom, like 3 to 1 . Second, by you adding grow and bloom together is ridiculous because 2 sets of Sensi goes much farther than 1 set of GH like twice as much. So instead of insulting me claiming I am the troll splitting hairs, at least put it in proper perspective. 1 set of Sensi to 1 set of GH or 1 set of AN GMB to 1 set of GH. The actual math makes Sensi about 20% cheaper. Where can I get 90$ GH GMB at 90$ delivered? I am not the one claiming AN is a rip because of the name. That's all you guys have. Where did I nit pick on price, it's always the AN haters who bring it up but always add the sups they sell to defend themselves. GH is just as much a rip. My god look at all the shit they sell.
 
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BROBIE said:
You don't need to make it easier for me. I can see when one has a distorted thought process. OK for 1 Sensi grow uses MUCH less for Veg stage than Bloom. so your math is off. I get 3 times the grows in Grow then Bloom, like 3 to 1 . Second, by you adding grow and bloom together is ridiculous because 2 sets of Sensi goes much farther than 1 set of GH like twice as much. So instead of insulting me claiming I am the troll splitting hairs, at least put it in proper perspective. 1 set of Sensi to 1 set of GH or 1 set of AN GMB to 1 set of GH. The actual math makes Sensi about 20% cheaper. Where can I get 90$ GH GMB at 90$ delivered? I am not the one claiming AN is a rip because of the name. That's all you guys have. Where did I nit pick on price, it's always the AN haters who bring it up but always add the sups they sell to defend themselves. GH is just as much a rip. My god look at all the shit they sell.
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Buddy you're splitting hairs one tiny amounts of money since you said were just talking about the Base Sensi. So since you don't want to talk about the other additives fine but its a negligible amount you're trying to make look like someone is going to save $1000's.

Sure when I get to work I'll do a AN GBM Ph perfect comparison to GH GBM price comparison.
 
Doer

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BROBIE said:
Well put the ignore on bitch I don't care. You little suck-up pussies can't get it through your little stoned ass heads that there are other products out there that perform just as well and as economical with ALL things considered. You came on here as as UB's little stroker from the git go. You exemplify a person who can't in the least think for themself. How bout YOU provide evidence to the contrary from what I have posted.
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Why do you think this is some kind of an argument? I am ignoring a lot already and only speaking about my beloved activity. You won't get help here. You will just go away eventually. You are showing you are just another marginal personality on the web. A non-existant, really.
 
TonightYou

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BROBIE said:
Well put the ignore on bitch I don't care. You little suck-up pussies can't get it through your little stoned ass heads that there are other products out there that perform just as well and as economical with ALL things considered. You came on here as as UB's little stroker from the git go. You exemplify a person who can't in the least think for themself. How bout YOU provide evidence to the contrary from what I have posted.
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On the contrary. UB knows his shit, has posted reasons why, and even spends time dealing with trolls such as yourself.

Shit, I don't lIke his politics but I do know he knows quite a thing or two about botany seeing as he grows way more than just cannabis. I also know from following up on things he's posted that indeed many products are not worth the time or money due to lacking formulas, price and the inevitable problems down the road.

That is called research. Which is better than "thinking for oneself", when really you mean "have an opposing opinion unsubstantiated".
 
BROBIE

BROBIE

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TonightYou said:
On the contrary. UB knows his shit, has posted reasons why, and even spends time dealing with trolls such as yourself.

Shit, I don't lIke his politics but I do know he knows quite a thing or two about botany seeing as he grows way more than just cannabis. I also know from following up on things he's posted that indeed many products are not worth the time or money due to lacking formulas, price and the inevitable problems down the road.

That is called research. Which is better than "thinking for oneself", when really you mean "have an opposing opinion unsubstantiated".
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So when you take a class (I may be going out on a limb here assuming you have) you don't question the teacher and correct him/her when you have proof to the contrary? Good for you. I think the stoner term would be "sheeple" here.

I have experience growing with both products, why do I need a Botany degree? I've seen no "inevitable" problems with Sensi . I can see with my own eyes that one is just as good as the other. Yet here come the trashers on all the AN threads on how the AN users are stupid and such, so please don't preach on how I am the troll. Look at Post #3, this is why I mentioned TROLLS
 
BROBIE

BROBIE

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Doer said:
Why do you think this is some kind of an argument? I am ignoring a lot already and only speaking about my beloved activity. You won't get help here. You will just go away eventually. You are showing you are just another marginal personality on the web. A non-existant, really.
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Well hit the fucking ignore button already like you promised. Damn.
 
TonightYou

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BROBIE said:
So when you take a class (I may be going out on a limb here assuming you have) you don't question the teacher and correct him/her when you have proof to the contrary? Good for you. I think the stoner term would be "sheeple" here.

I have experience growing with both products, why do I need a Botany degree? I've seen no "inevitable" problems with Sensi . I can see with my own eyes that one is just as good as the other. Yet here come the trashers on all the AN threads on how the AN users are stupid and such, so please don't preach on how I am the troll. Look at Post #3, this is why I mentioned TROLLS
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Yes I'm rocking a master's soon, so I'm very familiar with how school works. In fact, I've disagreed with a few of my professors, particularly having a few ivory tower types and one ridiculous libertarian one. Yet the subjects they taught were ones of relatively objective and their opinions weren't injected into the course work.

Besides, as much as I enjoy school, one can easily teach themselves knowledge. I run my own IT business and I am completely self taught, zero certifications of any kind.

I can tell the difference between knowledge and opinions. Sometimes there is overlap but in hard sciences, extremely little, facts are just that facts. Backed by testing and rejecting the null hypothesis.
 
BROBIE

BROBIE

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TonightYou said:
Yes I'm rocking a master's soon, so I'm very familiar with how school works. In fact, I've disagreed with a few of my professors, particularly having a few ivory tower types and one ridiculous libertarian one. Yet the subjects they taught were ones of relatively objective and their opinions weren't injected into the course work.

Besides, as much as I enjoy school, one can easily teach themselves knowledge. I run my own IT business and I am completely self taught, zero certifications of any kind.

I can tell the difference between knowledge and opinions. Sometimes there is overlap but in hard sciences, extremely little, facts are just that facts. Backed by testing and rejecting the null hypothesis.
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Well maybe you could appreciate there are other routers or access points/controllers than Cisco or that Frame Relay might not be the best WAN method or that Lucent is not the only DACs in the land. (I'm a layer 4-7 guy) If someone picks one over the other doesn't make them wrong. Hope you get that Masters.
 
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TonightYou

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BROBIE said:
Well maybe you could appreciate there are other routers or access points/controllers than Cisco or that Frame Relay might not be the best WAN method or that Lucent is not the only DACs in the land. (I'm a layer 4-7 guy) If someone picks one over the other doesn't make them wrong. Hope you get that Masters.
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I help small businesses, been a good way to supplement my income while going to college. I turned down an opportunity to work for Compuware, being recruited despite my lack of proper certifications.

You'd also know some hardware costs more to do less and some brands have better reputations.

The only reason I brought up my education is because you made it a point. And yes, I'm proud of my accomplishments.

Computers are a hobby, I'd be bored to death making it my job . I'm far more interested in civil service.
 
Doer

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BROBIE said:
You sound like "I know you are but what am I? "
Hit the ignore button you little bitch. While you're at it, smoke some more of your product, look where it's gotten you in life.
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Really? Would like to match paystubs? IAC, I am more entertained by your writhing and thew spewing upon yourself.

Can I witness an embolism, I wonder?
 
BROBIE

BROBIE

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Doer said:
Really? Would like to match paystubs? IAC, I am more entertained by your writhing and thew spewing upon yourself.

Can I witness an embolism, I wonder?
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Thew? and what is IAC? and why did you translate money as the sole determinate of ones success in life? Are pay stubs the only thing to go on here? How about contributing to society and things like that rather than just a paycheck. What about property? I despise most rich fucks who think they are better than others based on money alone. Hell most of these rick spoiled fucks now a day had their money handed to them anyways. The mark of a true shallow, empty soul.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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BROBIE said:
Thew? and what is IAC? and why did you translate money as the sole determinate of ones success in life? Are pay stubs the only thing to go on here? How about contributing to society and things like that rather than just a paycheck. What about property? I despise most rich fucks who think they are better than others based on money alone. Hell most of these rick spoiled fucks now a day had their money handed to them anyways. The mark of a true shallow, empty soul.
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At least one thing we can agree on. The rich are handed their wealth. And to be honest, unless the majority of your income is from investments, 6 figures or more a year, you are simply a working shlub. Myself includes.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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BROBIE said:
Thew? and what is IAC? and why did you translate money as the sole determinate of ones success in life? Are pay stubs the only thing to go on here? How about contributing to society and things like that rather than just a paycheck. What about property? I despise most rich fucks who think they are better than others based on money alone. Hell most of these rick spoiled fucks now a day had their money handed to them anyways. The mark of a true shallow, empty soul.
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