olylifter420
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i like it more when i multiply
What Is The Nature Of?
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The giggle is because I am not used to be called Sir, except by the kids manning fast-food cash registers. In my mind I am and always will be a "Dude", not "Sir". I was hoping the giggle would let you know i was amused and not at all offended.
That being settled ... might I impose on you to restate the question in more definite terms? cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
With respect for the fact that there is "the right way, the wrong way and the Army way" ... the Nature of Division, the Tao of the GI, is that the General is always right, even when he isn't. cn
Landmark
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of course you do, it is your nature, i see you for what you are.
Landmark
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It is no imposition sir, dude, cannabineer. I have asked the question in the most simplest terms, i cannot point any more directly. So I ask would you be willing to try an experiment to see what it is that is being pointed to for yourself, then i am not just giving you an answer we are discovering the fact together.
Landmark
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Can you not see that there is division amoung us?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
They sent spies, the bastards? I usually confine my dealings to the battalion level. cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I do not agree that you asked the question in its simplest terms.
Brevity does not always equal clarity, and never when brevity avoids definition.
Simplicity without clarity is an un-thing.
In order to discover facts, there are ground rules. Clarity, definition, order in thought and deed. I have been telling you that your terms are not clear, and I stand by that. You have deflected each of my several requests to introduce definition, order, method, a mutually-advantageous respect for procedure. Until you do these things, we cannot proceed.
Ambiguity absolutely precludes the discovery of anything that deserves the label of fact.
I will ask again: if you seek a dialog, then please! Disambiguate. Define. Recognize vagueness as a bad thing! Let's start with elementary semantic hygiene. You CAN indeed point more directly.
Tell me in simple, clear, direct, unambiguous English that an engineer would recognize: what is the question? At the very least, give me an example in the world of concrete, preferably physical, phenomena ... of the sort of division that interests you. That will allow me to begin mapping the boundaries of the question. Without boundaries, there is no shape, and that becomes uninteresting imo. cn
Landmark
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I am not asking you to agree or disagree, that is more of the identity. Sir you want the answer, each time I keep pointing to it you say it's too vague. I have asked if your willing to try an experiment so you can see it for yourself, and you send this post back. Sir, the nature of it is that it does not want you to see it and the veil it uses for you is that you must first understand the rules, the terms. There is tremendous compassion for this, paradoxically the very thing that is demanding the terms and conditions is the very thing that is keeping you from seeing it.
Sir if we can go no further I would like to acknowledge you, it takes a courageous person to go into this question.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I wish I understood this. I do not, and I despair of using my standard toolset to discover the comprehensible kernel.
I am intrigued by one thing however: your implication that the question in question is conscious and possessed of a capacity to decide. ("it does not want ...") This is the sort of thing from which I recoil both by instinct and the application of mind. It suggests some sort of divine agent (such as the conscious cosmos) acting, and as there is simply no way (in my considered opinion, of course) to lift such a "relationship with that which is" out of the deeply subjective and personal. This renders it incommunicable, because by its nature it cannot be aligned with the considered use of language as a descriptive medium.
Another factor is that I disbelieve in a cosmic conscious, metaphysical "energy" or even the reality of soul. I cannot change my basic faith that man's amazing capacity for spirit-awareness of any sort is a consequence of, and an error in, our neurochemical architecture. I am by nature and inclination (and by vocation) a natural philosopher, a term i prefer to "scientist" with its implication of the labcoated technocrat. Think of me more as the nineteenth-century ideal of the scientist, an inquirer into the fabric of Nature. I see it as an ethical commandment of natural philosophy to a) be definite in my use of language, and b) limit my inquiries and musings to the mundane, the phenomenal, stuff that can be sensed, measured, reproduced in experiment, and subject to the Popper criterion: falsifiability.
cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I have never had anything I could characterize as a voice in my head. My consciousness has always been unitary, even on strong visionary drugs. I do have a mild autism-related condition that predisposes me to be "irretrievably" rational.
Even so, eight-plus years ago I had occasion to cross the USA-Canada border on a motorcycle ... I was filfilling a lifelong ambition to go coast to coast. The border guard asked me if I was traveling alone. (By my gear and somewhat unique personal decor, obviously yes.) My response was "yup, just me and the voices!"
He did not like that at all, and if a few cars hadn't shown up then I'm pretty sure I'd have won the day's lottery prize - a thorough search of person, vehicle and effects. cn
Even so, eight-plus years ago I had occasion to cross the USA-Canada border on a motorcycle ... I was filfilling a lifelong ambition to go coast to coast. The border guard asked me if I was traveling alone. (By my gear and somewhat unique personal decor, obviously yes.) My response was "yup, just me and the voices!"
He did not like that at all, and if a few cars hadn't shown up then I'm pretty sure I'd have won the day's lottery prize - a thorough search of person, vehicle and effects. cn
Landmark
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Any highlights of that journey, bike ride coast to coast, you would care to share?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It was an amazing trip. I met the coolest people, helped a lady change her tire, gave a guy a ride to a gas station, met a retired hooker in SD, and almost died in the mountains of New Mex (flash flood was involved).
The one moment that I regret the most was riding along the North Shore of Lake Superior and seeing someone walking on the side of the road ... i thought it was someone in bright yellow Hazmat gear, but as I passed I saw it was a Buddhist monk's saffron robe.
I regretted my failure to stop, talk, offer a ride ... within minutes. cn
PeyoteReligion
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Another asinine discussion with another guys who thinks there's more to it...
Landmark
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Sir do you know the difference between being on the court and being in the stands?
And I am not touching your vomit, its for you to clean up, or not. Its your life and that's who you be in it.
Sir there was a moment of pleasure for you in saying that, if you are sensitive enough, and have not gone completely numb, you will also sense the suffering that goes along with judgement.
Landmark
Member
Reads like it was a great trip, other then what you saw as a missed opportunity to connect and be a contribution/be contributed to. Thank you for sharing that.