What is Barack Obama's Economic Plan?

ginwilly

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Obama said he would cut the deficit in half - he did not. Romney says he will reduce it but doesn't tell us how. Is that good enough for you?
I would be disappointed if Romney put a complete budget on the table. We are electing a President not a King. A Prez needs to give congress an outline of what he wants and a good president would understand he has to also work with the other side and that's unpredictable trying to say what the finished product will look like. With the expansion of executive power the last 12 years and the lack of outrage from people I'm starting to think people want a king.
 

beenthere

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most people who make more than 250k a year are aware of tax code credits and subsidies and reductions that overall can drop there taxable income to very little Not exactly true Samwell, I believe you are talking about the mega earners. I doubt very much that individuals earning that amount of income get subsidies, there may be some isolated cases but by and large this is not true. Obviously the bigger the business, the more the write offs a company will have, it would become impossible for a business to stay solvent if we were taxed on our gross receipts.



how many tax returns have you filled out?

raises taxes on the 1% of this country will generate billions of dollars for schools, infrastructure projects and whatever else the gov needs paying off, ike the deficit, although i think congress should arest any military spending till our deficit is in control and our economy stable And the other side of the isle believes raising marginal rates will slow the economy down even further, even bill Clinton agrees!


both there plans kinda suck, one is super trickle down economics, and the other is a 20 sided die . . hardy boys style economics

we need a real ball buster, bring the jobs back to america stop companies from doing business overseas and getting a handout for it, make then become for fiscally responsibly to there employess and the country they claim to support
The only way to bring business back to this country is to make the country a more business friendly environment, otherwise we're pissing in the wind!
 

TheMan13

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The way our U.S. income tax brackets work is that taxes are levied on marginal income. Do you understand what marginal income means. I have to say not because you would have not asked that question if you did. Obama does want to raise taxes 3 percent on those who make 250,000 and above... but the rate applied to income earned over the $250,000 threshold is irrelevant to the first $250,000 worth of taxable income. If you have $250,010 of taxable earnings then only that last $10 is taxed at the higher rate. so your small business tax does not raise for the whole 250,000 only whats after the 250,000.
Ok, as you are totally missing my point.

For fun, let us say that taxing everyone making over 250k 75% of their income would not literally destroy our economy. Hell let's even pretend skimming 75% is morally and ethically OK.

Now with this perfect, yet UNREAL, situation how many more BILLIONS per day is O spending than taking in?

"An absurdity is a thing that is extremely unreasonable, so as to be foolish or not taken seriously, or the state of being so." Wikipedia
 

londonfog

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Ok, as you are totally missing my point.

For fun, let us say that taxing everyone making over 250k 75% of their income would not literally destroy our economy. Hell let's even pretend skimming 75% is morally and ethically OK.

Now with this perfect, yet UNREAL, situation how many more BILLIONS per day is O spending than taking in?

why would we say that we are taxing everyone at 75% ???? Lets stick with facts here. Not some fantasy theory so you can try to prove a point..FACTS ONLY. It helps with adult conversations.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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The only way to bring business back to this country is to make the country a more business friendly environment, otherwise we're pissing in the wind!
my mother didnt pay taxes at all for about 20 years . . she made less than 250 more than 175 in that time peroid, . . . . . . . . . .but i guess that is the other end of" not exactly"

funny how experience takes the driver seat to . . . .i think or maybe comments

dick drives this car
 

londonfog

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The only way to bring business back to this country is to make the country a more business friendly environment, otherwise we're pissing in the wind!
disagree..labor cost and workers are to damn cheap overseas. Does not mean that you are getting a better product. ..just means corporations pay less to get you to buy something for more.

Do you know how much workers get paid in China and India
 

nontheist

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I really don't see your point of view. You're willing to increase taxes and play Russian roulette with the economy? This sounds like a very bad plan, what are we going to do if it goes south as most predict?
 

beenthere

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my mother didnt pay taxes at all for about 20 years . . she made less than 250 more than 175 in that time peroid, . . . . . . . . . .but i guess that is the other end of" not exactly"

funny how experience takes the driver seat to . . . .i think or maybe comments

dick drives this car
I think you misunderstood your mother, I've never heard of anyone making over $175k and not paying taxes, not a single one and i know many! What did she do for a living if you don't mind me asking?
 

beenthere

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disagree..labor cost and workers are to damn cheap overseas. Does not mean that you are getting a better product. ..just means corporations pay less to get you to buy something for more.

Do you know how much workers get paid in China and India
We're not talking about China, we're talking about the US.

The federal government cannot regulate China, but they can make this country more business friendly to attract more domestic investment.

Look at California as an example, ask yourself why businesses are leaving this state to find a better business friendly environment?

I'm not trying to change your ideals my friend, just trying to get you to understand some good points from the other side.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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I think you misunderstood your mother, I've never heard of anyone making over $175k and not paying taxes, not a single one and i know many! What did she do for a living if you don't mind me asking?
she was a consultant, owned a consulting firm

when i was younger and she would be getting info and documents together for her accountant, she would always say, the trick is to get your taxable in come as low as possible and to have paper trail to prove it

i could have misconstrued this comment as i used it as my "no tax" example , i know she has paid some taxes, but i also know she has meet her goal many times
 

TheMan13

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Try using facts when you make statements instead of BULLSHIT.
ECONOMICS FOR IDIOTS

THE FACT THAT IF YOU TAKE ANYWHERE FROM 50-100% OF EVERY AMERICANS INCOME OVER 250K IS IRREVERENT GIVEN THE OBVIOUS FACT THAT EVEN AT A 100% RATE IT WOULD ONLY BE A FRACTION NECESSARY TO RUN O's "ECONOMIC PLAN". HE IS STILL PUTTING THIS COUNTRY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEBT DAILY! THAT IS WHY THERE HAS NOT, IS NOT AND IS NO PLAN FOR A BUDGET, O HAS DOUBLED OUR NATIONAL DEBT IN LESS THAN FOUR YEARS AND DAMAGED OUR CREDIT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY. WITHOUT A BUDGET YOU CANNOT RUN ANY HOME, BUSINESS OR GOVERNMENT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?!? NO BUDGET = NO ECONOMIC PLAN EVER!


... you are the 47% Mitt would be a fool wasting his time on and O preys.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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i dont want the Romney band aid . .. and im not sure if Obama, can campiagn on legislature that is not working as predicted and not guaranteed to be in effect after his second term . . . . .

we dont need a quick fix and we dont need" ill do this" concepts . . . we need to change the way we structure our economy, money should be made here and should stay here not go overseas for a cheaper cost or wage

untill american corporations and business bring their business infrastructure back to america we will be perpetually in crisis
 

beenthere

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she was a consultant, owned a consulting firm

when i was younger and she would be getting info and documents together for her accountant, she would always say, the trick is to get your taxable in come as low as possible and to have paper trail to prove it

i could have misconstrued this comment as i used it as my "no tax" example , i know she has paid some taxes, but i also know she has meet her goal many times
Well, your mother was smart, we all try to get our tax burden down to the legal minimum, her comment on having a paper trail to prove it tells me she was also inside the law. Without the paper trail, an IRS audit can not only crush you financially, it can ultimately close you down.

The problem I have with Obama taxing incomes as low as he is wanting is the fact that $200k a year is not wealthy by any stretch, especially where I live. I'd much rather see tax increases target big corporations, raising marginal rates or capital gains rates would have a direct impact on jobs, I know this from personal experience.
 
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