what is a polyploid plant? Treating seeds with Colchicine

This is a plant I am currently growing.
I think its a polyploid plant.

This thread needs to stay alive, I would like to try this and want to know if you can smoke the first4 batch... if so ill proceed. If no ill wait a bit.

I wanted to do this for a while now, but haven´t gotten around to getting colchicine yet...does anyone know any good, cheap sources? either for the chemical or the seeds/bulbs of the crocus?

I find something wrong with changing the DNA structure of anything we put into our bodies. We're basically talking GMO weed here aren't we? GMO seeds made from using poison? More power to all who wanna try this but I grow my own shit so I know it's clean and safe, not laced, no weird shit put on it, know the food it got etc, as close to natural as possible.

@SirChongalong: no reason whatsoever you can't smoke the first batch. The toxicity of colchicine (especially miniscule doses only used when first starting a seed) has been greatly overstated here. As other people have pointed out, it's actually a drug used in human medicine (primarily for the treatment of gout, but potentially for other things). For any substance (including water, oxygen, and sugar-- all vital elements of life) the dose makes the poison.

@elfroggo: If you've ever eaten a large 'modern' piece of fruit (be it a large strawberry, apple, or what have you), then you've had a genetically modified fruit whose ancestors came from genetic manipulation with colchicine. There's plenty of reason to be wary of GMO stuff where they're introducing new genes/proteins that our bodies might potentially have allergic reactions to. In most cases it's probably not a big deal, but without a lot of experimenting it would be tough to know for sure. OTOH, making something polyploidal doesn't change the identity of the genes in each cell, it just increases their number. The net effect is that individual cells may take a little bit longer to grow (longer time spent in S1 phase) than they would otherwise, but the individual cells (and the organism) will be bigger. The main reason it might be 'healthier' is that individual cells are very unlikely to suffer a loss-of-function mutation. In short... with regard to your fears of polyploidy... ...get over it.

Im wondering about clones of the first generation...would alarmists have any problems smoking buds off that plant?

Your all f***ing crazy.

Blackberrybubba said:

This is a plant I am currently growing.
I think its a polyploid plant.

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It's mutant trash...

Interesting post. I can't see why soaking a bean in it would make it poisonous to smoke.
Colchicum is good for gout. I did read about taking too much is toxic and read about the plant many years ago.
Some other good info on the plant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colchicum_autumnale

Up to you but in the “Marijuana Horticulture Medical growersBible", Jorge Cervantes pg 440 says its 100% BS and has never been proven ... He does explain what the theory is.

PS it’s not supposed to make you plants bigger, stronger, better or anything like that. It is supposed to change the DNA to make a Mutant strain that did not exist before you changed the DNA. So no Organic for you J

Don’t shoot me; it’s just what I read.

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This is an Polyploid bud from another site

The main reason i can see to grow a polyploid is that they are sterile and don't pass their genetics to the seed, which will be diploid, but not cross pollinized. and they produce more seeds. Also the federal government uses taxonomy to define marijuanna.the gene count does'nt match marijuana in a polyploid. in other words, you are not growing marijuana with a polyploid. pretty cool, eh?

Well if you all want just an easy source do a search onhttp://www.sigmaaldrich.com/

They carry most hard to find stuff

very cool site... start your own chemistry lab...sweet.

heyrichard said:

Also the federal government uses taxonomy to define marijuanna.the gene count does'nt match marijuana in a polyploid. in other words, you are not growing marijuana with a polyploid. pretty cool, eh?

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If this is the case I may try it, buy this nice house right behind the police station and have a hedgemaze of teenage mutant ninja pot plants in the yard.
I've seen this particular article a lot floating around. A thread or 2 here as well. But never a thread actually dedicated to attempting it. If there were any validity to it you'd think there would be at least 1 Dr.Frankenstein at a seedbank doing it.

you'd need to prove it if you got raided. so some lab work. ... this is also how to produce pure strain seeds (ala the netherlands) where it is illegal to grow pot.
And diplomatically they (and canada) can honestly say they don't grow pot.
beat the fed. grow polyploid pot...lol ....(grow the mama plant and take cuttings)

This is so interesting .
But I'm on the first page reading all the bioposts and googling all these poly-tapa-lapa-lapoids
And I've got no clue what's going on...
Other than the product is a poison don't smoke it.

Just Breed it ? Or clone it ?

Ethere way how dose an average joe abstain such madness for an experiment

you soak the seeds in a dilute mix of autumn crocus bulb juice for x amount of hours, then finish them in normal conditions. Uptake, if any, would be infantismal; the plant would'nt survive if it had any colchisine in its system; (colchisine is prescribed to gout patients in small amounts.....)
So, quite smokeable imho. Colchisine is a powerful mutagen and is toxic. It suspends cell division but lets the insides of the cell divide. ..Remove the mutagen and the cell divides normally only it's stuck with double (or more ) genes changing it taxonomically.WORD OF WARNING. get this stuff in you;very bad. you take three days to die painfully. with your bodies life proceses failing according to their rate of their cell division. so do not get any crocus juice on you fer sure.
all said..... I smoke it no prob. definitely not if colchisine was sprayed on a mature plant.

check this out . might help.
https://www.thedankden.com/forum/thread/416/polyploids/

http://www.cannabase.com/cl/bcga/breeding/colchicine.htm

p-.s. seeds from the polyploid plant will be normal and like their mother.