Weenies burn flag to protest cops, get attacked by bikers, need cops to save their asses

Fogdog

Fogdog

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nitro harley said:
When the left acts like they own the flag and want to call it free speech to disgrace it they are going to have problems with people that aren't on there band wagon.

The flag belongs to all of us , its kinda like when Bucky Boy shits on the floor of a public bathroom, that kind of free speech will get you thrown in jail or challenged every time by people that care a little bit more than some liberal trying to make a point. Lets see if they want to burn some more flags without being sneaky to do it.
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Vigilantes attacking a peaceful protest is OK with you?
 
Fogdog

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Oh wow. How much bourbon does it take to get you drunk enough to post this hashed up pseudo sentence:

anzohaze said:
Yes me to I dont.and have never read a single thing about Obama care I do know I don't not qualify for and money or help as I don't qualify. I no it's a bunch of.bullshit.
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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Fogdog said:
Your fantasy, not mine
You are a commercial fisherman, right? Your industry gets subsidized, right along with @anzohaze and his ranch. You two are typical right wingers, sucking on the govt tit and then claiming otherwise.
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#1, that's just another liberal myth perpetuated by a "have-not" who's too lazy to work himself up to a "have".

I'm a farmer. I get no govt. subsidies neither does any one I know in my community who's prime income source is ranching and farming.

You want to scream subsidies, you need to look at the CO2 spewing corn producing ethanol industry. Had a friend over who retired from BP Amoco and then became a consultant for the petro-chemical industry. He laid it all out and to make a long story short regarding the ethanol producing feel good liberal farce, said now that the govt. subsidies and demand have dried up, the ethanol producing industries and spin offs are going bankrupt. This failure has been going on for years too.

"Ethanol producers are panicking amid speculation that the ethanol mandate could be drastically reduced or scrapped entirely this year as the biofuel loses its allure and bipartisan allies and former friends team up against it."

http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Biofuels/Producers-Panic-as-Ethanol-Mandate-Loses-Support.html

http://ethanolproducer.com/articles/6697/beating-bankruptcy

http://www.startribune.com/drop-in-oil-price-squeezes-ethanol-producers/291209431/

Uncle Ben
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Uncle Ben said:
#1, that's just another liberal myth perpetuated by a "have-not" who's too lazy to work himself up to a "have".

I'm a farmer. I get no govt. subsidies neither does any one I know in my community who's prime income source is ranching and farming.

You want to scream subsidies, you need to look at the CO2 spewing corn producing ethanol industry. Had a friend over who retired from BP Amoco and then became a consultant for the petro-chemical industry. He laid it all out and to make a long story short regarding the ethanol producing feel good liberal farce, said now that the govt. subsidies and demand have dried up, the ethanol producing industries and spin offs are going bankrupt. This failure has been going on for years too.

"Ethanol producers are panicking amid speculation that the ethanol mandate could be drastically reduced or scrapped entirely this year as the biofuel loses its allure and bipartisan allies and former friends team up against it."

http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Biofuels/Producers-Panic-as-Ethanol-Mandate-Loses-Support.html

http://ethanolproducer.com/articles/6697/beating-bankruptcy

http://www.startribune.com/drop-in-oil-price-squeezes-ethanol-producers/291209431/

Uncle Ben
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Hey, Farmer Ben, you take out crop insurance don't you? Those policies are underwritten and costs are subsidized by the federal govt.

http://www.ewg.org/agmag/2015/03/crop-subsidies-soar-under-2014-farm-bill-reforms

"Two new crop subsidy programs – Agriculture Risk Coverage (ARC) and Price Loss Coverage (PLC) – are at the heart of the dramatic increase in payouts, the Briefing Book reports. The Institute’s researchers estimate that the two new types of coverage will generate more than $24 billion in payments over the 2014-2018 life of the farm bill. That’s $2.4 billion more than the “direct payment” subsidies the new crop subsidy plans replaced, which cost taxpayers $21.6 billion from 2009 through 2013."

You can thank your republican lawmakers for giving you this nipple to suck on. Its a nice titty isn't it?

It isn't hard to find other ag subsidies but this one is easy, so I'll go with it first.

1st off, I wouldn't hold it against you if you take advantage of this program. It's skewed towards the big industrial farms and needs to be reworked but it can keep a small farmer going in the face of all the advantages that the big guys have.

2nd, we agree on the destructive nature of corn based ethanol. If it goes away, then good riddance.

3rd, you don't know anything about me or my work ethic. You assume that "liberal" means slacker. You are not very informed. Actually, liberal people are the majority in this nation and make up most of the productive workforce. Red states, generally with low populations and full of right-wingers are, with a few exceptions, the places where the government puts more into subsidies than it gets out in taxes. Blue states with a majority of sensible people who understand that they are part of a larger society and understand how to add value to their work, are places where the government gets more out of taxes than it puts in via subsidies.

Still we all need food to fuel us in our endeavors, whether it be in the farm or the factory, so I hold no grudge against you getting yours from the govt. I just wish you'd own up to it.
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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Fogdog said:
Your fantasy, not mine



You are a commercial fisherman, right? Your industry gets subsidized, right along with @anzohaze and his ranch. You two are typical right wingers, sucking on the govt tit and then claiming otherwise.
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What subsidize are you talking about? I wish there was. Why do you think that?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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nitro harley said:
What subsidize are you talking about? I wish there was. Why do you think that?
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11.405 Anadromous Fish Conservation Act Program
11.407 Interjurisdictional Fisheries Act of 1986
11.408 Fishermen's Contingency Fund
11.413 Fishery Products Inspection and Certification
11.415 Fisheries Finance Program
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11.417 Sea Grant Support
11.427 Fisheries Development and Utilization Research and Development Grants and Cooperative Agreements Program
11.433 Marine Fisheries Initiative
11.434 Cooperative Fishery Statistics
11.435 Southeast Area Monitoring and Assessment Program
11.436 Columbia River Fisheries Development Program
11.437 Pacific Fisheries Data Program
11.438 Pacific Coast Salmon Recovery_Pacific Salmon Treaty Program
11.441 Regional Fishery Management Councils
11.444 Aquaculture Program
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11.445 Hawaii Stock Management Program
11.452 Unallied Industry Projects
11.454 Unallied Management Projects
11.458 Alaska Salmon Enhancement
11.474 Atlantic Coastal Fisheries Cooperative Management Act
 
nitro harley

nitro harley

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Fogdog said:
Your fantasy, not mine



You are a commercial fisherman, right? Your industry gets subsidized, right along with @anzohaze and his ranch. You two are typical right wingers, sucking on the govt tit and then claiming otherwise.
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Could you tell your buddy Bucky boy that he just listed a bunch of government grant programs instead of subsidizes. Like a fucking idiot.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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nitro harley said:
Could you tell your buddy Bucky boy that he just listed a bunch of government grant programs instead of subsidizes. Like a fucking idiot.
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He might be a fucking idiot, I don't know. I'm certain that you are. In all about 6.4 billion dollars were given to the US fishing industry between 1996 and 2004. Fuel subsidies, sales tax exemptions and research made up the bulk of this but smaller and important subsidies were paid for disaster relief, surplus fish purchases and capital construction (boat purchases and repair). I don't think you are lying, I think you are just stupid and unaware of how much benefit is going to you.

The Western Pacific not including Alaska is the most subsidized fishing district in the country. It also is the least valuable. The largest subsidy is fuel, which I guess is a tax write-off for you. Free fuel so that you can go out and fish. That's a pretty good titty isn't it?

You probably can't appreciate fishery research but it's pretty big too. Its necessary because your father paid for the boat you use by depleting the fishery. The fishery that remains is researched so that you and your uneducated ilk don't wipe out the rest.

After that, there are state sales tax exemptions. The Western Pacific fleet garnered bit more than 25% of all fuel and sales tax subsidies in the US but produced less than 3% of the value produced by US fishermen. You can be wiped out by a flick of a pen to remove the subsidies you claim you don't get and we wouldn't feel it one bit. Small man, small business, small boat, small brain.

http://www.lenfestocean.org/~/media/legacy/Lenfest/PDFs/sharp_sumaila_2009.pdf?la=en
 
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nitro harley

nitro harley

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Fogdog said:
He might be a fucking idiot, I don't know. I'm certain that you are. The Western Pacific not including Alaska is the most subsidized fishing district in the country. It also is the least valuable. The largest subsidy is fuel, which I guess is a tax write-off for you. Free fuel so that you can go out and fish. That's a pretty good titty isn't it?

You probably can't appreciate fishery research but it's pretty big too. Its necessary because your father paid for the boat you use by depleting the fishery. The fishery that remains is researched so that you and your uneducated ilk don't wipe out the rest.

After that, there are state sales tax exemptions. The Western Pacific fleet garnered bit more than 25% of all fuel and sales tax subsidies in the US but produced less than 3% of the value produced by US fishermen. You can be wiped out by a flick of a pen to remove the subsidies you claim you don't get and we wouldn't feel it one bit. Small man, small business, small boat, small brain.

http://www.lenfestocean.org/~/media/legacy/Lenfest/PDFs/sharp_sumaila_2009.pdf?la=en
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I have never had a subsidy for fuel so you will have to tell me where you got that idea other than just making it up like you did about my father buying me a boat..

I guess you are just a big fucking story teller like your friend Bucky boy. How is it that idiot liberals on this web site lie so much? For instance, how do you know my boat is small? How do you know about my father and what you think he has done with his money? And then you make up fuel subsidies for west coast shrimpers and crabbers when there has been no such thing in the history of the fisheries?

I guess lying is just a liberal thing to impress liberals. Good luck with that.
 
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