UncleBuck
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you didn't even know what was in your tax return, so you can't say you didn't get a fuel subsidy.
and i'm sure you bought a million dollar vessel on your high school dropout wages.
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and i'm sure you bought a million dollar vessel on your high school dropout wages.
Fogdog
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OK, Harley, then the billions of dollars given to the fishing industry on the Western Pacific are being given to somebody else. You have no business write offs and get no benefit from the government. Sorry, but just I don't believe you.
Fogdog
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Anzohaze, you don't know shit. Your uncle blah blah. Billions are being spent to subsidize your uncle's and Harley's fisheries, yet somehow none of it ends up in their pockets. Sorry, but I don't believe this.
It doesn't last time I helped him he was getting 60 dollars for bushel of crabs depending male.or.female and that's how had his.money so if he does not work he does not get.paid plain as day
nitro harley
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Thats the way its been for me, I pay as I go and never have had a hand out in the form of subsidies. The left doesn't work hard enough to know about fishing and what it takes, they would break like a twig and cry for there mommy.
Yes we would.leave 4 a.m. and get home at like 6. On off times we would be busy building crab pots hot knifein bouys restrInging pots. Modifying the boat/boats. Cleaning traveling deliver product but bait etc. It never ended
UncleBuck
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you're a withered old osteoperotic old woman, nitro.
and your wife is a fucking whale.
kangosna745
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Lol this thread is outta control...people are crazy.
nitro harley
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They don't send them to me, that I do know. And my business write offs are just like any other business. If you invest wisely and grow your business with upgrades there are some tax breaks just like any business, not just for fisherman.
UncleBuck
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you don't even know how to spell "write off", clearly someone else is doing your taxes and scooping up those subsidies for ya.
you can outwit a fish, but adding numbers together according to simple instructions is beyond you.
Fogdog
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I stand corrected sir, your uncle is barely scraping by and I salute him for his hard work.
I no he had to find alternate income as well
Fogdog
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I'm not begrudging you your business or your legal tax deductions. If you don't participate in the subsidy programs available to others in your industry, well, that's up to you. The subsides are supposed to be there so that we will have a healthy long-term fishery and fishing industry. There is probably some pork in there that only the big guys can get, I don't know. But hey, if you don't want it, fine. I find it hard to believe that's all.
nitro harley
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There are no subsidies available and never has been for me to even consider being part of. Just so you know. And the Crab and Shrimp fisheries that I am part of are MSC certified. MSC means that we are resource friendly and self sustaining. Here is a link and a good read.
https://www.msc.org
Marine Stewardship Council - home
Our vision is for the world’s oceans to be teeming with life – today, tomorrow, and for generations to come.
By choosing MSC labelled seafood, you reward fisheries that are committed to sustainable fishing practices.
By choosing MSC you're helping to safeguard the oceans for the future
Use the MSC label
I think pride is about everything. I am proud of everything I am associated with in my life, period. Sorry for those who do not have pride about who and what they are must be a pretty shitty existance to wish to be something else. I guess all the people who use their area codes to identify should be ashamed of themselves.
Fogdog
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OK, one more try. Do you pay fuel tax? This says you do not. As a result, other taxpayers are picking up the tab for port construction, maint., etc. Maybe you don't appreciate it but the titty is in your mouth.
"Fuel subsidies.—The federal government taxes most gasoline and diesel fuel used in the USA, the money from these taxes being earmarked for road construction and maintenance. If the government treated land-based and water-based transportation consistently, fishers would also be required to pay such taxes and the money would go toward port construction and maintenance, the Coast Guard, and other public facilities and services that fishers use. But in contrast to land-based U.S. users of gasoline and diesel fuel, commercial fishers are exempt from all federal fuel taxes, providing the fishing industry with a large subsidy. Commercial fishers are also exempt from state fuel taxes and sometimes state sales taxes on fuel."
As a side note, Oregon also waives fuel taxes for commercial fishermen.
http://www.lenfestocean.org/~/media/legacy/Lenfest/PDFs/sharp_sumaila_2009.pdf?la=en
nitro harley
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I guess you just don't understand what off road fuel is. Anybody can buy off road fuel. They colored it pink because you don't use public road ways and are exempt from the road and hwy tax.
I watch people with sport boats buy off road fuel all the time . All you have to do is pull up to the fuel dock and buy pink fuel like anybody else. So it only makes sense not to pay Tax for road ways.
Fogdog
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Again, I don't begrudge you your business. The Pacific NW crabbing fleet is one of the best managed and greenest fisheries around. Much of this has to do with the research performed gratis to you that enables fishery management to accurately assess the health of the crab fishery and set quotas etc. but it also has to do with the attitude and care that the fleet takes towards protecting the fishery. There has been a problem with lost pots that trap fish and crab for the life of the pot but that's getting cleaned up to.There are no subsidies available and never has been for me to even consider being part of. Just so you know. And the Crab and Shrimp fisheries that I am part of are MSC certified. MSC means that we are resource friendly and self sustaining. Here is a link and a good read.
https://www.msc.org
Marine Stewardship Council - home
Our vision is for the world’s oceans to be teeming with life – today, tomorrow, and for generations to come.
Use the MSC label
I also recognize that it's hard and dangerous work too. Crabbers along the Oregon coast go out when everybody else is heading into port to get away from the dangerous seas. December and January are the worst months for weather but the best for crabbing so you fish.
Its OK for you to not pay taxes on the fuel you use. Its OK that you don't pay for harbor construction, maintenance, the coast guard, research etc. You fail to recognize that it is a subsidy that's all.
Pinworm
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To me, it only makes sense to take pride in something if you bear personal responsibility for it. Like, if you haven't put any effort into something, how could you possibly be proud of it? Like your hair color, skin color, your language or where you are from.
Your argument sounds kinda like "I'm proud because I'm proud because I'm proud". And, that shit just doesn't make sense.
nitro harley
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You would qualify for the same tax break so quit thinking it is just for commercial fisherman. And you are wrong about me not paying tax's on the local port facilities , the coast guard , research, because I help pay for all of those things. There is a tax that comes out of my landings that I pay and my property tax's pay for the port facilities and my federal tax's pay for the coast guard. So you are wrong on all fronts just like most liberals are most of the time because they seem to be so narrow minded.