Water in Flint and other general problems in our political environ

Elwood Diggler said:

the smoking gun............see ya nerd
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2016/02/snyder_ordered_deq_to_withhold.html#incart_most-read_

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I don't get it. Testing started on October 2 and results released Oct 8. This doesn't warrant manslaughter charges even if results were delayed a few days. The real damage is due to long term exposure, not what happened over 6 days but it looks bad.

I think Snyder knew a year or more that Flint water was not being treated according to standards in the clean water act. THAT would end with jail time for manslaughter or worse for the gov. I bet he's not sleeping well right now. This might be the wedge needed to pry a few witnesses out of MDEQ.

I saw that myself. I think they might start and go forward witb criminal proceedings.

Fogdog said:

I don't get it. Testing started on October 2 and results released Oct 8. This doesn't warrant manslaughter charges even if results were delayed a few days. The real damage is due to long term exposure, not what happened over 6 days but it looks bad.

I think Snyder knew a year or more that Flint water was not being treated according to standards in the clean water act. THAT would end with jail time for manslaughter or worse for the gov. I bet he's not sleeping well right now. This might be the wedge needed to pry a few witnesses out of MDEQ.

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i got a feeling the sender of those emails has already cut a deal and has lawyered up.

There is way for replacing lead pipe from the street to the house using a new technique closely resembling laparoscopic surgery where 2 holes are made, the old pipe is cut a wire is sent through to the other hole then brand new copper is attached and pull through and finally reconnected to the mainline and house. This process is cheaper then the alternative which is ripping up the street, this process takes 4 hours per home. But Rick Snyder said no, he wants to try using a sealer that is not guaranteed to work, once again the Snyder administration is doing everything to save cash and not care for the folks in Flint. BTW this process is being used in the capital city of Lansing.

Hey @since 1991 have you heard of this?

B4L

isn't that the way lansing did theirs? i heard something about pulling a new pipe through the old lines but haven't looked into it yet. at first glance this sure makes sense to me.

snyder is about to get overruled. there's better tech out there and the people in flint deserve to get this fixed right asap

Elwood Diggler said:

isn't that the way lansing did theirs? i heard something about pulling a new pipe through the old lines but haven't looked into it yet. at first glance this sure makes sense to me.

snyder is about to get overruled. there's better tech out there and the people in flint deserve to get this fixed right asap

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Yeah, they're doing it in Lansing just 1 hour away but worlds apart, that's really evil if you don't do it in Flint but money is available in Lansing.

B4L

Blunted 4 lyfe said:

There is way for replacing lead pipe from the street to the house using a new technique closely resembling laparoscopic surgery where 2 holes are made, the old pipe is cut a wire is sent through to the other hole then brand new copper is attached and pull through and finally reconnected to the mainline and house. This process is cheaper then the alternative which is ripping up the street, this process takes 4 hours per home. But Rick Snyder said no, he wants to try using a sealer that is not guaranteed to work, once again the Snyder administration is doing everything to save cash and not care for the folks in Flint. BTW this process is being used in the capital city of Lansing.

Hey @since 1991 have you heard of this?

B4L

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Copper is really expensive. Is it more expensive than digging everything up?

Flaming Pie said:

Copper is really expensive. Is it more expensive than digging everything up?

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I was wondering why not use PEX plastic but copper is the most widely used metal pipe in plumbing, that's what they used up in Lansing.
No complete tearing up of the street need be done just 2 small holes
B4L

Blunted 4 lyfe said:

I was wondering why not use PEX plastic but copper is the most widely used metal pipe in plumbing, that's what they used up in Lansing.
No complete tearing up of the street need be done just 2 small holes
B4L

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Are you talking street pipes? Or just pipes within the home?

Flaming Pie said:

Are you talking street pipes? Or just pipes within the home?

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Just the street pipes called service pipe, I'm just wondering what are they going to do with the pipes in the homes the damage (leeching) may have occurred inside the homes too but the offending are the service lines going Into the homes that are made of lead. After the pipes are replaced outside, there might be more problems inside the homes, but we don't know yet.

They want to start replacing pipes in homes with families most at risk (elderly, families with children, pregnant woman).

B4L

Flint wants to replace every tap in one year.

BWAHAHAHA! Planning a moon shot with beer cans and paper clips, too?

How many people are living at risk now?

I really believe they need a water stations. Flint has enough unused property that they could probably set up 20 stations and people are assigned to each station.

Figure out how many gallons are needed for average family for cooking and drinking and give it to them every week.

Continue this until all pipes are replaced.

Maybe offer interest free mortgages (as long as monthly payments are made. If a missed payment 3.5 interest that month.)
To move families with children to another location.

Might not be possible.

Flint was already a shitty place to live. Now the property there is literally worth nothing until this water issue is fixed.

I'm actually much closer to this than you guys realize. I have friends looking for apartments right now and I hope they find one soon. I have a feeling apartments outside flint are gonna go fast.

ttystikk said:

Flint wants to replace every tap in one year.

BWAHAHAHA! Planning a moon shot with beer cans and paper clips, too?

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They're talking 40 man crew coming down from Lansing and they can do 2 homes per day, I don't know how many crews they have in Flint
But just running the numbers I do have:

40 x 2 = 80 @ day
80 x 5 = 400@week
400 x 50 = 20,000 homes @ year

I used 50 weeks as my guide because of Holidays and such.
I have no idea how many homes need to be done.

Now using FP's idea of having water stations they can do like they did during the oil embargo odd/even addresses, 50 gallons per 10,000 gallon tanker that's 200 homes @day. ( cooking, drink water, wash clothes) it will be hard but doable or use other towns with clean water for bathing. Gyms, firehouses, bathhouses or Churches.

B4L

Flaming Pie said:

Maybe offer interest free mortgages (as long as monthly payments are made. If a missed payment 3.5 interest that month.)
To move families with children to another location.

Might not be possible.

Flint was already a shitty place to live. Now the property there is literally worth nothing until this water issue is fixed.

I'm actually much closer to this than you guys realize. I have friends looking for apartments right now and I hope they find one soon. I have a feeling apartments outside flint are gonna go fast.

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Moving families out will pose a nightmare as well crime will go through the roof if homes are left empty.

My buddy who's cynical as hell was saying that the fact this was an act of criminality/negligence it just might work in favor of the land grabbers (gentrification) they did it after Katrina, Harlem, apts in Harlem are $2,500-$3,000 a month in most cases. And brownstones are selling 10 million (3 families).

I saw a program about the brownstones in Harlem where they had restored 1 that had intricate pocket doors, 15' ceilings copper ceiling,dumbwaiters, slavequarters in basement and chambermaid bell on dinning room floor had a bell you stepped on it and the bell attached w/string would summon the slave from the slave quarters in basement.

Will Flint be on the list next?

Folks shouldn't leave but that's easy for me to say I'm not the one living in 3rd world conditions right in the heart of America. It is truly shameful.

B4L

Blunted 4 lyfe said:

They're talking 40 man crew coming down from Lansing and they can do 2 homes per day, I don't know how many crews they have in Flint
But just running the numbers I do have:

40 x 2 = 80 @ day
80 x 5 = 400@week
400 x 50 = 20,000 homes @ year

I used 50 weeks as my guide because of Holidays and such.
I have no idea how many homes need to be done.

Now using FP's idea of having water stations they can do like they did during the oil embargo odd/even addresses, 50 gallons per 10,000 gallon tanker that's 200 homes @day. ( cooking, drink water, wash clothes) it will be hard but doable or use other towns with clean water for bathing. Gyms, firehouses, bathhouses or Churches.

B4L

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Who is going to pay the 100,000,000 per year for the repairs?

Yes, at 5000 a repair it would cost a HUNDRED MILLION dollars a year... So, who is ponying up all this money?

NLXSK1 said:

Who is going to pay the 100,000,000 per year for the repairs?

Yes, at 5000 a repair it would cost a HUNDRED MILLION dollars a year... So, who is ponying up all this money?

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Go back and listen to the press conference the cost is $55 million
they already did it in Lansing.

B4L

NLXSK1 said:

Who is going to pay the 100,000,000 per year for the repairs?

Yes, at 5000 a repair it would cost a HUNDRED MILLION dollars a year... So, who is ponying up all this money?

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Crédit card?

NLXSK1 said:

Who is going to pay the 100,000,000 per year for the repairs?

Yes, at 5000 a repair it would cost a HUNDRED MILLION dollars a year... So, who is ponying up all this money?

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taxpayers. same ones who pay for all the republican fuckups