Red1966
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This from the guy espousing a "right" to enslave others.
Under what individual authority does government exist?
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UncleBuck
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so your wife and newborn children tried to enslave you?
is that why you burned them alive?
NewtoMJ
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If you don't use government services, you hold no obligation to that government that's my position, not even close to being enslaved. If you think what's going on here in this country is anything like the middle east, you are a delusional man who needs to get out of the house and stop falling prey to the very misleading media portrayal of that regions situation.
Red1966
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Your idea of "using government services" includes stepping outside your home, flushing your toilet, and breathing. What the fuck does the middle east have to do with this conversation?
NewtoMJ
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No, you can drill a well and have a septic tank. Government shouldn't have any say in that.
If not my experiences in the middle east, what ARE you eluding to?
Red1966
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But they do have a say. You can't drill a well or have a septic tank without a permit.
This would be where the other dipshit would chime in about "reading comprehensionj" if he were honest.
Rob Roy
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Good point on the permits. Some things occur on such a regular and routine basis that people just assume that "normal" is an acceptable practice and somehow must make sense.
NewtoMJ
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What does having to draw permits have to do with my statements, when my position is you shouldn't have to draw permits? You are all over the place.
Red1966
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Your position was government gets its authority from a "social contract". It is you who are "all over the place."
Padawanbater2
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Don't all Americans use government services? Roadways, national defense, public education, etc..
NewtoMJ
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They do, which is why one shouldn't complain that they should be free from govt, when they are benefiting from the institution. Free yourself from the use of their services, then you might have a case for it.
Yea, you use their services, therefore you agree to their rules. That's the contract. Why is that so hard to understand? If you didn't use their services, then you should live free from their regulation. I have already stated they shouldn't impede individuals from freeing themselves from their services, so you can stop making that argument.
Padawanbater2
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I'm not sure where the hostility is coming from, maybe I'm interpreting the tone of your post wrong, but I agree with everything you've said in this post
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-war-...arge-you-interest.869241/page-4#post-11579824
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NewtoMJ
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I was preparing my hostility for red, I knew he would see the post In his alert so I upped the hostility
Padawanbater2
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Ah, I see, I have Red on ignore, I can't see his replies. Sorry if my post was confusingI was preparing my hostility for red, I knew he would see the post In his alert so I upped the hostility
NewtoMJ
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I like watching him surround his arguments with straw men, while never actually constructively providing ideas for a better future.
Padawanbater2
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I agree, it's interesting to see the inner workings of a right wing sociopath at work
These people have been bred from birth with this shit, part of me doesn't hold it against them in the same way part of me doesn't hold the older racist members of our society against them.. I mean, it's wrong, all of us can see it, we all know it.. but they don't.. they grew up with that shit in their direct perspective.. in a way.. they can't really help it.. it's unfortunate as fuck, but none of us will change their minds.. That perspective will die with them, just like this perspective will die with Red. He's welcome to live in fantasy land till the day he dies, that's what his generation promised him. You and me (I'm assuming you're near my age, Millennial) will be the generation to pick up the pieces. Our kids generation might see some prosperity, but I doubt it. It will probably take their kids (our grandkids) generation to enjoy prosperity. That is if we get on the ball with climate change - now. We'll see an economic revolution (similar to that of the late '30s early '40s) fueled by renewable energy technology, the fossil fuel industry will begin to lose profits as renewables take hold, Elon Musk and electric is well on his way now. His business endeavours remind me of this scene from Casino:
NewtoMJ
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I'm not sure where millennial starts, but I was born after 85. It's interesting, because some of what conservatives say makes sense, but some of it makes no sense. I also take some of what liberals say as nonsensical, it's like they are trying to sell me a world that doesn't exist. I feel my generation has a lot of promise, but there are hurdles I have yet to see cleared. I think one of them is the psychological development of our minds has not kept pace with technology, out of all the obstacles we face, that's the biggest. We're either going to rule the universe, or ruin our species.
Padawanbater2
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Keeping pace with technology isn't an intergenerational hurdle. Our moms and pops had to deal with 8-track, VHS, DVD, CD, etc. They adapted just fine. Our struggle is completely economical. That same generation devised a way to steal our prosperity. Your mom, my pops are not to blame. The vast majority of baby boomers (even the assholes showing outright opposition to solving income inequality in this thread are not to blame) are not to blame. Those at the tippy top are to blame. The politicians who decided corporate interests are more financially beneficial are the ones to blame. I'm not even sure if I can blame the corporate interests themselves for utilizing a system that was goddamn near built directly for them to abuse.. Our government holds the overwhelming majority of the blame, not those that used a legal system to benefit themselves. Who the fuck wouldn't, right? A person's moral culpability reaches a certain point that even the most conservative person would surpass. That's the problem. Such a system shouldn't exist and none of us should be using it to justify outright theft.
Our political system preys on human nature. Some of us are perfectly willing to adopt that over a more compassionate form of business if it will increase our bottom line. IMO, that's disgusting
NewtoMJ
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Yea, that's my point. Even with our parents technology there was still a human factor. How can we expect a more compassionate and human government when people are becoming further removed from interacting with one another. Even in grocery stores, I can check myself out, no human interaction. Just being in proximity doesn't help me to understand someone's hopes, their dreams. How can one be compassionate without understanding the emotional well being of others? Look at "cyber bullying", take away someone's physical connection and they lose compassion. Govt used to be more helpful and effective, but politicians were here, close to us. Same with police, used to be walking around, then cars, now tanks. The further from the interaction we get as a species, the rarer compassion becomes.
Red1966
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"using their services" includes walking, breathing, eating. In other words, you have no choice but to "use their services". There is no choice, period. Stating "they shouldn't impede individuals from freeing themselves from their services, so you can stop making that argument." is saying them forcing you to use their "services" doesn't matter, you still consented. The argument is valid.
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