Under what individual authority does government exist?

londonfog

londonfog

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Rob Roy said:
So if your parents sold you into slavery, knowingly or unknowingly you should be a slave the rest of your life?
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My parent never sold me into slavery, but you as a parent signed your children up to be part of the USA and all her government has to offer. You gave the government authority. Good job dad.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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londonfog said:
seems like you started drinking pretty early mate. Must be that Irish thing
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i don't think our 4'11'' friend realizes that rob roy's quote works against him, seeing as how he "sold his child into slavery" by signing him up for social security.

i don't think robroy realizes it either.

innovative line of robroy trolling, i will have to use this liberally in the future. i would give you rep for it if this site still had that feature.

AKA potroast
 
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schuylaar

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Rob Roy said:
Your first line is nonsensical, so is your second. Therefore I'll take a pass on them.


Bernie Sanders gains support by promoting class war fare. He is an old fart "from Vermont" (except he's not) that wishes he could grow a real ponytail, instead he could barely get a Ben Franklin going, so he went into politics where his anxiety over his small penis could be somewhat quelled by attempting to run other peoples lives for them.

Social capitalism or whatever the fuck else you can dream up all rely on the same thing. It's another method for some people to use government to create a power structure that allows them to be parasitic. It's not the best of "both worlds", because it is just different flavors of the same thing combined and served to fools that are easily mislead.
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marx is rolling in his grave right now:wall:
 
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schuylaar

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UncleBuck said:
i don't think our 4'11'' friend realizes that rob roy's quote works against him, seeing as how he "sold his child into slavery" by signing him up for social security.

i don't think robroy realizes it either.

innovative line of robroy trolling, i will have to use this liberally in the future. i would give you rep for it if this site still had that feature.

AKA potroast
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all babies get an applied SS number at the hospital..

 
londonfog

londonfog

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schuylaar said:
all babies get an applied SS number at the hospital..

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you can deny your child receiving SS#. Leave the box unchecked on the birth certificate application and let them know you do not wish to have your chilld with a ss#.
Getting your child a ss# is voluntary. Most of us want our child to be part of the USA, so the issue never comes up. Just Google if you don't believe me on how not to get your child a SS#
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Padawanbater2 said:
1. The worker sells his labor to his employer for an income

2. In order for the employer to make a profit he has to sell the workers labor for more than he paid the worker, otherwise there would be no point to operating a business

3. The amount he sells the workers labor for more than he pays the worker is the value of the worker's surplus labor

Now which step are you having trouble with?
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#3 No, it's the value of his facilities, materials, and enterprise. If he has to sell the product at a loss, or can't sell it at all, does the worker have to pay the employer for his losses? You keep trying to pretend the employee still owns something AFTER he sold it.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Red1966 said:
You seem to think labeling labor one has sold as "surplus" is a real thing. It's not.
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He's completely delusional.

Workers are paid by the hour, therefore there can be no surplus labour.

Padawanbater2 is praying every day for a minimum wage increase, he'd probably boast about it as if it was a raise.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Harrekin said:
He's completely delusional.

Workers are paid by the hour, therefore there can be no surplus labour.

Padawanbater2 is praying every day for a minimum wage increase, he'd probably boast about it as if it was a raise.
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If there were no surplus labor, employers wouldn't be able to make a profit

Learn to capitalism
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
If there were no surplus labor, employers wouldn't be able to make a profit

Learn to capitalism
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You're a fool out of his depth.

The reason they make a profit is called a "mark-up", it's got NOTHING to do with surplus labour, which doesn't exist.

If an employee is paid an hourly rate for their labour, how can there be surplus?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Harrekin said:
The reason they make a profit is called a "mark-up", it's got NOTHING to do with surplus labour, which doesn't exist.

If an employee is paid an hourly rate for their labour, how can there be surplus?
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Really? Employers have marked up the price of their products by 325 x's what they were in 1965?

They are paid for their necessary labor, not their surplus labor
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Padawanbater2 said:
Really? Employers have marked up the price of their products by 325 x's what they were in 1965?

They are paid for their necessary labor, not their surplus labor
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Wtf are you talking about?

They're employees, not shareholders.

They sell their labour by the hour or by a different contractual arrangement.

There is no surplus labour, only fair payment for services rendered as per the terms of a contract.

Just cos you say something is true, does not make it so.

Post some more charts, I'll print out cos I do need moar toilet paper.

Environment, fuck yeah!
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Padawanbater2 said:
If there were no surplus labor, employers wouldn't be able to make a profit

Learn to capitalism
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You're trying to make up new meanings for words. "Surplus labor" is when you have more employees than needed. Worker's labor that you claim gives them entitlement to that which belongs to others was sold. Any "surplus labor" that wasn't sold was labor that was not done. Doing nothing entitles you to nothing. Your ridiculous attempts to justify theft would be laughable in a normal society. With this new generation of know-it-all, pampered slackers, it could actually gain traction. They say no civilization lasts more than a few hundred years. I can see why.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Red1966 said:
You're trying to make up new meanings for words. "Surplus labor" is when you have more employees than needed. Worker's labor that you claim gives them entitlement to that which belongs to others was sold. Any "surplus labor" that wasn't sold was labor that was not done. Doing nothing entitles you to nothing. Your ridiculous attempts to justify theft would be laughable in a normal society. With this new generation of know-it-all, pampered slackers, it could actually gain traction. They say no civilization lasts more than a few hundred years. I can see why.
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I don't have time to teach you basic economic concepts. Go read a book if you want to understand this stuff
 
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