Ttystikk's vertical goodness

ttystikk

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ey up tty. are you getting a pound per sqm using this method or more? I am setting up my first vert grow in the next few weeks, just vegging the stock at the moment... got some ideas but then just think :finger::wall:o_O>:(...:bigjoint:
Just barely at only 300W/m² worth of 28% efficient lighting... but I will crush that stat when the COBs get here.
 

Vnsmkr

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Just making sure. Still progressing purchasing some things. Still full on rooftop atm probably be another few mos before indoor ready
 

Vnsmkr

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The room the tent is in has its on unit. It can be kept at a manageable level. Usually kept at 25c. 8" vortex sline fan and some oscillating ones as well
 

ttystikk

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Talk to me soon m8 cos I'm having a read through here first and youre a bit tied up. Cheers CKV
My style of vertical is more suited for its intended target market; commercial facilities. It can be a bit unwieldy in smaller confines. The basic concepts can certainly transfer and apply across a wide variety of scales and situations. The more you can tell me about your space and constraints, the more I might be able to help.
 

ttystikk

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There's a lot swirling in my head right now, not sure what to make of all the changes coming so quickly. At what point does an ongoing accumulation of minor tweaks rise to the level of major revisions, of those revisions adding up to new releases... and those grow to become something truly different than it was before?

New item to add into the hot water circuitry; water cooled, natural gas fired CO² burners! They certainly add heat, which the brand new hot side circulation system is designed specifically to accept and transport to where it can be effectively utilised, right? Why not?! Which got me to thinking...

This hot water circuit would easily take the heat generated by a burner in one room during its day cycle and carry it to be shed by baseboard heaters in another on the flip, or dark, portion of its cycle, exactly when and where heat for dehuey is essential.

Look; water transports heat. Doing it at two temperatures creates huge opportunities for effective use, reuse and therefore conservation. Think of this heat and cold circulation system as 'compatible innovation' number One.

Compatible innovation number two; RDWC. This plant growing system is extremely powerful and can support massive growth but requires effective water temperature management. Water cooling is the ticket.

Compatible innovation number three; heat pump. This unit creates the temperature gradient between hot and cold water circuits and sheds excess heat, thereby consolidating, powering and managing the environmental control system. This maximizes efficiency and reliability.

CI #4; liquid cooled CO² burners. Until I get my hands on fuel cell technology, these will provide more heat that's fully compatible with the existing distribution system while providing important nutrition to the crop.

CI #5; Vertical growing. This allows for maximum utilization of interior space on a three dimensional level, made possible by the liquid cooling of RDWC and compact, powerful air handler/dehuey units.

CI #6; COB LED lighting. These lights offer performance improvements that work just as well in a vertical orientation as they do over flatlander grows. Reduced heat per unit of light output plays right into the hands of high density vertical environments, which in turn can then take maximum advantage of cool, compact, powerful light.

CI #7; Water heating for dehuey. During the day cycle, the lights provide plenty of heat for the water cooled air handlers to work against while dehumidifying. At night, heat must be added for the same purpose, else temperature falls and RH spikes, wreaking havoc by promoting fungal infestation.

I'm sooooooo not done with this list... :fire:

Do Not forget your shades- the future is fuckin' bright!
 
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Vnsmkr

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There's a lot swirling in my head right now, not sure what to make of all the changes coming so quickly. At what point does an ongoing accumulation of minor tweaks rise to the level of major revisions, of those revisions adding up to new releases... and those grow to become something truly different than it was before?

New item to add into the hot water circuitry; water cooled, natural gas fired CO² burners! They certainly add heat, which the brand new hot side circulation system is designed specifically to accept and transport to where it can be effectively utilised, right? Why not?! Which got me to thinking...

This hot water circuit would easily take the heat generated by a burner in one room during its day cycle and carry it to be shed by baseboard heaters in another on the flip, or dark, portion of its cycle, exactly when and where heat for dehuey is essential.

Look; water transports heat. Doing it at two temperatures creates huge opportunities for effective use, reuse and therefore conservation. Think of this heat and cold circulation system as 'compatible innovation' number One.

Compatible innovation number two; RDWC. This plant growing system is extremely powerful and can support massive growth but requires effective water temperature management. Water cooling is the ticket.

Compatible innovation number three; heat pump. This unit creates the temperature gradient between hot and cold water circuits and sheds excess heat, thereby consolidating, powering and managing the environmental control system. This maximizes efficiency and reliability.

CI #4; liquid cooled CO² burners. Until I get my hands on fuel cell technology, these will provide more heat that's fully compatible with the existing distribution system while providing important nutrition to the crop.

CI #5; Vertical growing. This allows for maximum utilization of interior space on a three dimensional level, made possible by the liquid cooling of RDWC and compact, powerful air handler/dehuey units.

CI #6; COB LED lighting. These lights offer performance improvements that work just as well in a vertical orientation as they do over flatlander grows. Reduced heat per unit of light output plays right into the hands of high density vertical environments, which in turn can then take maximum advantage of cool, compact, powerful light.

CI #7; Water heating for dehuey. During the day cycle, the lights provide plenty of heat for the water cooled air handlers to work against while dehumidifying. At night, heat must be added for the same purpose, else temperature falls and RH spikes, wreaking havoc by promoting fungal infestation.

I'm sooooooo not done with this list... :fire:

Do Not forget your shades- the future is fuckin' bright!
Good start on the list though. If you want change, be the change!!
 

Michael Huntherz

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There's a lot swirling in my head right now, not sure what to make of all the changes coming so quickly. At what point does an ongoing accumulation of minor tweaks rise to the level of major revisions, of those revisions adding up to new releases... and those grow to become something truly different than it was before?

New item to add into the hot water circuitry; water cooled, natural gas fired CO² burners! They certainly add heat, which the brand new hot side circulation system is designed specifically to accept and transport to where it can be effectively utilised, right? Why not?! Which got me to thinking...

This hot water circuit would easily take the heat generated by a burner in one room during its day cycle and carry it to be shed by baseboard heaters in another on the flip, or dark, portion of its cycle, exactly when and where heat for dehuey is essential.

Look; water transports heat. Doing it at two temperatures creates huge opportunities for effective use, reuse and therefore conservation. Think of this heat and cold circulation system as 'compatible innovation' number One.

Compatible innovation number two; RDWC. This plant growing system is extremely powerful and can support massive growth but requires effective water temperature management. Water cooling is the ticket.

Compatible innovation number three; heat pump. This unit creates the temperature gradient between hot and cold water circuits and sheds excess heat, thereby consolidating, powering and managing the environmental control system. This maximizes efficiency and reliability.

CI #4; liquid cooled CO² burners. Until I get my hands on fuel cell technology, these will provide more heat that's fully compatible with the existing distribution system while providing important nutrition to the crop.

CI #5; Vertical growing. This allows for maximum utilization of interior space on a three dimensional level, made possible by the liquid cooling of RDWC and compact, powerful air handler/dehuey units.

CI #6; COB LED lighting. These lights offer performance improvements that work just as well in a vertical orientation as they do over flatlander grows. Reduced heat per unit of light output plays right into the hands of high density vertical environments, which in turn can then take maximum advantage of cool, compact, powerful light.

CI #7; Water heating for dehuey. During the day cycle, the lights provide plenty of heat for the water cooled air handlers to work against while dehumidifying. At night, heat must be added for the same purpose, else temperature falls and RH spikes, wreaking havoc by promoting fungal infestation.

I'm sooooooo not done with this list... :fire:

Do Not forget your shades- the future is fuckin' bright!
Nice brain, dude. I like your plans. I need to move to CO, I think.
 

Michael Huntherz

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I'd be happy to have you as a neighbor... mind if I borrow your dab rig? :mrgreen:
I don't do dabs man, that shit will ruin you. That said, I have a pretty close personal connection to the Eden Labs folks, CO2 extraction leaders, and I really want a small unit from them, you can borrow that. I'm looking for jobs in the computering (Application Software or DevOps engineer) industry. I'm looking for somewhere with good access to fly fishing, and a right to farm ordinance. Where are you at? Where would you recommend based on those criteria? PM me.
 

ttystikk

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I don't do dabs man, that shit will ruin you. That said, I have a pretty close personal connection to the Eden Labs folks, CO2 extraction leaders, and I really want a small unit from them, you can borrow that. I'm looking for jobs in the computering (Application Software or DevOps engineer) industry. I'm looking for somewhere with good access to fly fishing, and a right to farm ordinance. Where are you at? Where would you recommend based on those criteria? PM me.
PM Sent.
 

Vnsmkr

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Dude if my wife hadnt slaughtered our bank account this tent would equipped and rolling, fkn hate people pissing in my cheerios. Anyway yeah, where I am anyway, Southern end, its typically 25c at night, 0520 now and its 27. Summer times we may see closer to 30 at night. Days range from anywhere between 30-40 with 40 being little extreme. We always have ocean breeze here so that keeps down a bit
 

ttystikk

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Just barely at only 300W/m² worth of 28% efficient lighting... but I will crush that stat when the COBs get here.
This stat does not include the 50-100W each times 5 magnetic ballasts, over and above the 860W each for five lamps. All up, I'm pulling about 4800W from the wall with 5x 860W CDM.

Soooooo, how does this change with the new lighting?
4 x 200W modules =800W
per 24 ft² trellis, or 33.33W/ft² x
6 trellis per run = 4800W.

This is no accident, I've been working towards this very head to head matchup for years now! The goal is to provide hard numbers with which to compare relative performance.

Convert to metric;
33.333W/ft² x 10.764=359W/m²

It's important to fully fathom the concept that this value remains the same between my CDM setup and the upcoming COB LED install, making it a meaningless frame of reference to use in determining yield.
 
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ttystikk

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Dude if my wife hadnt slaughtered our bank account this tent would equipped and rolling, fkn hate people pissing in my cheerios. Anyway yeah, where I am anyway, Southern end, its typically 25c at night, 0520 now and its 27. Summer times we may see closer to 30 at night. Days range from anywhere between 30-40 with 40 being little extreme. We always have ocean breeze here so that keeps down a bit
Last night was -5C already. Today's high? 3C. 12 possible by the weekend.
 
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