ttystikk
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Oh, God-not another Light Spinner! Those fucking things were dangerous!
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pop22
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Yaa, it does sound rather Rube Goldberg...although I was thinking of slow rotation.........
ttystikk
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No rotator. Just hang the whole thing on a cord, then have an oscillating fan hit it. If you can get it to twist back and forth 45° or more then you're there. You need the fan anyway...
m4s73r
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Thats what i was thinking. I have also been contemplating leaving the top half of screen in the room attached to the ceiling. Then have the bottom half attached to my pots. That way i dont have to try and move a 6x4 screen through 2 doorways. just have a 4x3 screen in veg, once filled move to bloom and flip. I cant seem to find anything but 2x4 inch welded wire fencing. got a source for 4x4?
ttystikk
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It's a pain to find, usually animal fencing. Mine was for sheep n goats, which strikes me as strangely appropriate for the zoo here we call RIU...
m4s73r
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Well i think my super silo may not be the best way to go for my space. Got to doing some measuring and from the top of my pots to the ceiling is only 64 inches. Thats not much head room now that I'm measuring it. I may be better suited to do 2 single bulb with 2 plants per bulb and each screen being 5x6 half circle screens. Giving me 120 ft2 vs 85 ft2 that i would get with just one silo being each screen of 5'4x4'. the 2 sets of would have a 20 inch distance from the bulb vs the 24" of the single silo. The loss would be the crossing of 2 light sources on the plants vs single point of light. What do you think Tty? With 54" head room would you stack or separate?
ttystikk
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I'm trying to wrap my head around what you're describing, but I'm not quite there year?
m4s73r
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Well so last night i had several glasses of wine and a couple of bowls. Let me reexplain this.
with my bloom room of 8x8 im going to have 2 1k lights. Im running 4 20 gallon no till soil pots. Each pot is sitting on tray with wheels. The top of my pot while sitting on the tray is 21 inches from the floor to top of pot.
Originally i was going to do just like your doing. individual cages for each plant around 2 stacked barebulbs. But due to the height of my rooms of 7 foot my cage would only be 5 foot 3 in Tall by 4 ft wide per plant. With 4 plants thats Giving me a total screen canopy area of 84.8 Square feet.
Option 2 would be to hang the lights singally. Still only 4 plants. So 2 plants per bulb. Id make the screen a little wider at 5.5 foot. giving each plant a 5ft tall by 5.5 ft wide screen to fill in. Doing this would also bring the plants closer to the bulb. That would give me a canopy area of 55 sq ft per light. Or a total 110 sq.
Option 2 gives me more canopy area and plants closer to the bulb. However going stacked i get less surface area but more light per sq ft.
Leaving the qustion of which if better. more canopy but single point of light and less light per sq ft. Or stacking them and getting 2 points of light and more wattage per sq ft with the loss of 24 sq ft.
with my bloom room of 8x8 im going to have 2 1k lights. Im running 4 20 gallon no till soil pots. Each pot is sitting on tray with wheels. The top of my pot while sitting on the tray is 21 inches from the floor to top of pot.
Originally i was going to do just like your doing. individual cages for each plant around 2 stacked barebulbs. But due to the height of my rooms of 7 foot my cage would only be 5 foot 3 in Tall by 4 ft wide per plant. With 4 plants thats Giving me a total screen canopy area of 84.8 Square feet.
Option 2 would be to hang the lights singally. Still only 4 plants. So 2 plants per bulb. Id make the screen a little wider at 5.5 foot. giving each plant a 5ft tall by 5.5 ft wide screen to fill in. Doing this would also bring the plants closer to the bulb. That would give me a canopy area of 55 sq ft per light. Or a total 110 sq.
Option 2 gives me more canopy area and plants closer to the bulb. However going stacked i get less surface area but more light per sq ft.
Leaving the qustion of which if better. more canopy but single point of light and less light per sq ft. Or stacking them and getting 2 points of light and more wattage per sq ft with the loss of 24 sq ft.
ttystikk
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@m4s73r, out of twenty or thirty tries, I only ever got one plant to grow wider than it was tall on the trellis. Therefore, you might have trouble with wide trellis panels.
Also, I fear option two will burn your plants where they're adjacent to the bulb. I had that problem with single thouies and my silo was a foot larger in circumference than yours.
Knowing what I know now, I'd make the trellis panels four feet across, to ensure the silo is the correct diameter. Make them five feet tall to fit the vertical space;
4x5=20ft², x 4=80ft² total. Put two lamps in there. 2kW/80=25W/ft², kinda low...
OR, even a third; 3kW/80ft²=37.5W/ft²
In an 8x8' room, you won't have space for two silos anyway.
Also, I fear option two will burn your plants where they're adjacent to the bulb. I had that problem with single thouies and my silo was a foot larger in circumference than yours.
Knowing what I know now, I'd make the trellis panels four feet across, to ensure the silo is the correct diameter. Make them five feet tall to fit the vertical space;
4x5=20ft², x 4=80ft² total. Put two lamps in there. 2kW/80=25W/ft², kinda low...
OR, even a third; 3kW/80ft²=37.5W/ft²
In an 8x8' room, you won't have space for two silos anyway.
m4s73r
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well 3kw is outside what my electric circuit/budget can handle.
Sounds like i may be better doing a 3.5x5 screen. Drops me to 65ft² (double a flat grow) but brings me up to 30W/ft². giving me a 14ft circumference and 4.4 ft diameter. plants with be 2.2 ft from bulb. that seems far. I suppose they will close that gap some growing to the light. Also, i can up the plant count to 5. I have the soil for 2 more pots to run 5 in a cycle.
Also, Thank you Ttystikk. I'm a big planner. Ill analyze something for months before i spend money. Having someone that's already doing something similar and whose been though the trial and error helps a bunch. You are a invaluable resource to those wanting to grow big with smaller plant count vertically. Gratitude.
Sounds like i may be better doing a 3.5x5 screen. Drops me to 65ft² (double a flat grow) but brings me up to 30W/ft². giving me a 14ft circumference and 4.4 ft diameter. plants with be 2.2 ft from bulb. that seems far. I suppose they will close that gap some growing to the light. Also, i can up the plant count to 5. I have the soil for 2 more pots to run 5 in a cycle.
Also, Thank you Ttystikk. I'm a big planner. Ill analyze something for months before i spend money. Having someone that's already doing something similar and whose been though the trial and error helps a bunch. You are a invaluable resource to those wanting to grow big with smaller plant count vertically. Gratitude.
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WestDenverPioneer
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4 x 600 Watt
ttystikk
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Can't got them all in one row, so you'll need to do two columns and stagger.
It's a good option, for sure.
ttystikk
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Thanks for the kind words! I'm paying it forward, with interest.
That's a thousand watt bulb. Think about having a hair dryer aimed at your plants for twelve hour sessions... how far away is safe?
If you train your plants to the inside of the trellis- highly recommended- then they'll be closing the gap between trellis and filament the whole cycle.
Thirty inches radius only seems like a lot when it's empty. 2¶r=C, so circumference needs to be at least 15.7', hence the four foot wide panels I use.
Look at the plant structure in this pic and you can see how quickly the gap can vanish;
m4s73r
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Im following you. Sounds like i was over thinking it. Got some 60in x50 ft welded wire in the cart. Cant seem to find the 4x4 locally. and online i can only find 100 ft of it. May have to take some wire cutters to the fence where i need too. This all should be taking off in the next 2 weeks. I ll actually do a grow journal on this.
ttystikk
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You weren't overthinking it, you were right on the same path I was. I just give newcomer a flashlight!
4x4" field fencing for sheep n goats, lol seriously, I can't make this shit up! How much do you need? Four foot wide panels are the height of the fence, and you can get 16 six foot tall panels per 100 running feet. I got a standard roll, 330', shared some with friends and I'm nowhere near using it all.
ttystikk
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For that quantity you might see if concrete reinforcement wire panels might work out better?