Should tipping be abolished?

Should tipping be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 43.5%
  • No

    Votes: 13 56.5%

  • Total voters
    23

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Not every job is for survival. Some people work for extra cash or because, get this: they actually enjoy doing it! It's crazy, right?

Seriously, I'm all for earning a living wage, but not every job can be expected to provide that. That's what careers and self-employment are for.
I disagree. I think every full time job should pay a living wage. There's no reason someone should work 40 hours a week and not be able to pay their bills and feed himself.
 

Lord Kanti

Well-Known Member
I disagree. I think every full time job should pay a living wage. There's no reason someone should work 40 hours a week and not be able to pay their bills and feed himself.
There was no mention of "full time" or 40 hours in the post of yours I quoted.

Any job could be full time if an employee wanted it to be and the employer agreed.

What bills? A phone bill? A mortgage?

There is no reason to assume that every job is taken for survival.

There could be a barter agreement
Experience gained
Charity
Etc.
 

growman3666

Well-Known Member
I get paid 3.25 an hour as a server. I live on tips. I really feel bad for bussers who get 1 percent of my revenues and of every other server on the floor that night. Either way they make 5 an hour and if it was a slow night or if there were multiple bussers on the floor they make squat.
 

Flaming Pie

Well-Known Member
Not much to live on
Its a good starter job. Imagine what they could make if they became servers at a fancier place that has bills $50-$100 for a family meal.

Also in 2001 there were more jobs and opportunities for rising in the work force.

Even doctors have to take reduced pay at a nonprofit internship for a year or two before qualifying for the big bucks.
 

Flaming Pie

Well-Known Member
Medical intern is a term used in some countries to describe a physician in training who has completed medical school and has a medical degree, but does not yet have a full license to practice medicine unsupervised.

As of 2010, the average income of a surgical intern was $47,000 a year. But location directly affects salaries. For example, general surgical interns at Stanford School of Medicine are paid $51,251 a year.

Each of the specialties in medicine has established its own curriculum, which defines the length and content of residency training necessary to practice in that specialty. Programs range from three years after medical school for internal medicine to five years for surgery to seven to eight years for neurosurgery.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member



Why should customers be expected to make up the difference in a living wage via tips instead of the employer?
Nature of the business with widely accepted practice of tipping. To insure prompt service (tips). It will never go away and it's one thing the republipukes are not responsible for.

The thing that is incorrect about that sign is, is that the employer must make up the difference if the barista's tips reported, do not make it to minimum along with the sub-minimum wage. That already is a law. So if no one is tipped? Employer is responsible.
 
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schuylaar

Well-Known Member
It is not the governments place to make sure everyone is taken care of and everything is fair. That is the problem first and foremost.

/QUOTE]
:lol:

Yeah it is, when people try to take advantage of others? That's how laws are made.
The poor behavior and abusive practices of employers of the past, lead to employment laws and a little something called minimum wage.
 

SneekyNinja

Well-Known Member
:lol:

Yeah it is, when people try to take advantage of others? That's how laws are made.
The poor behavior and abusive practices of employers of the past, lead to employment laws and a little something called minimum wage.
You'd know, from your own minimum wage job.

You better jump back on the phones and try sell something, commission is the mission.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
In either instance the owner is a private entity so your question doesn't respond to mine.

I asked if you thought some people should be able to force others to serve them ?

Then I reminded you forced servitude is slavery. Do you support slavery? I certainly don't.

Do you support rape and forced human interactions. I certainly don't.
Do you support refusing service based on skin color. When you open a business that serves the public you will serve all.
Why do you what people kicked out of hotels, restaurants, stores...etc based on the color of skin, religion or sexual preference? Why do you hate civil rights ?
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
Pardon him, Rob Roy can't grasp the concept of basic human dignity.

Your statement is flatulent. I suspect somebody needs to ensure you've changed your underwear according to the standards they've set for you. It's for "your own good".
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
Do you support refusing service based on skin color. When you open a business that serves the public you will serve all.
Why do you what people kicked out of hotels, restaurants, stores...etc based on the color of skin, religion or sexual preference? Why do you hate civil rights ?
All human rights spring from the idea that no person has superior rights to another.

If I don't have the right to force you to associate with me and reciprocably you don't have that right either, nobody else does.

So, my ideas are based in consistency. Yours are based in inconsistency.

My ideas hold that human relations should be on a voluntary basis of the participants or they shouldn't occur.

You're okay with forcing one party to associate with you, using the same tactics as a slave holder or a rapist, that being an application of force or a threat of it.

Since no black person, or no white person etc. has anymore right than any other person, they all possess the right to choose their own human interactions don't they ?

You keep erroneously trying to conflate my point of view into some kind of racism, when it isn't. It is a consistent application of honoring another persons choices, that's all.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Medical intern is a term used in some countries to describe a physician in training who has completed medical school and has a medical degree, but does not yet have a full license to practice medicine unsupervised.

As of 2010, the average income of a surgical intern was $47,000 a year. But location directly affects salaries. For example, general surgical interns at Stanford School of Medicine are paid $51,251 a year.

Each of the specialties in medicine has established its own curriculum, which defines the length and content of residency training necessary to practice in that specialty. Programs range from three years after medical school for internal medicine to five years for surgery to seven to eight years for neurosurgery.
Where's the citation for this?
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Not every job is for survival. Some people work for extra cash or because, get this: they actually enjoy doing it! It's crazy, right?

Seriously, I'm all for earning a living wage, but not every job can be expected to provide that. That's what careers and self-employment are for.
So not all jobs should be indentured servitude, just SOME of them. o_O

I'd call you an idiot but I'd hate to insult them.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
There was no mention of "full time" or 40 hours in the post of yours I quoted.

Any job could be full time if an employee wanted it to be and the employer agreed.

What bills? A phone bill? A mortgage?

There is no reason to assume that every job is taken for survival.

There could be a barter agreement
Experience gained
Charity
Etc.
Oh, here we go; 'charity' brought up to correct the imbalance.

Are you fucking serious? So now not only does a person have to suffer the indignity of working for wages that don't sustain them, they must now go BEG someone to make up the difference?!

You're a patrician tool.
 
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