should prisoners be paid minimum wage?

beardo

beardo

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guy incognito said:
I get paid a lot more than minimum wage. My value to an employer in the free market is not what this thread is about. Who supports slavery? Is paying a murderer less money than you would pay a non murder a form of slavery?
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you and the majority of people support slavery. What is the minimum wadge? Please tell us what "minimum wadge" is.
 
billybob420

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Anyways guy.

My concern is less about the prisoners and more about people outside the prison.

Shipping jobs into a prison is no better than sending them over seas. Well, maybe slightly better, but not by not. For the people on the outside, it's pretty much the same deal.
 
beardo

beardo

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billybob420 said:
Although I do have concerns about prisoners, it's really not about how much money they're making.
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what about them being forced, or coerced into labor while being held against their will and the use of the promise of freedom to encourage them into laboring?
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

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guy incognito said:
You guys do realize prisons are filled with people that did more than just smoke some weed? They are filled with gang members, rapists, pedophiles and murders too. Very bad people that did very bad things, and no they don't deserve to make as much money as someone that is not incarcerated.
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i'd love to know the numbers of what % of people in prison are in there for raping or are gang members or murderers like you say..

even if they are in there for murder, you support slave labor?? what's the difference between slave labor and not paying prisoners a salary comparable to the work they perform?
imo, being in jail is the penalty for the crime committed, not paying them for jobs performed after that fact is simply insulting imvho..
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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guy incognito said:
Yes they should. Then they need to cut me a check to pay for their room and board, which i'm currently paying.
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racerboy71 said:
uhmm, you do know you have to pay to be in jails per day right?? the prisoners that is..
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guy incognito said:
Yes, and the amount charged is less than the overall cost.
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billybob420 said:
Prisoners are the only ones NOT profiting from the prison system.
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guy incognito said:
WTF are you talking about? How have I profited from the prison system?
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billybob420 said:
Are you part of the prison system? If you are, you're profiting, unless you're a prisoner. If you're not, then obviously I wasn't talking about you.
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guy incognito said:
You directly quoted me, of course you were talking to me.
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billybob420 said:
To you, not about you, in response to what you said.

You were implying somehow prisoners are locked up making tons of money and saving big bucks, I was just stating out that's not the case at all.
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guy incognito said:
No I didn't imply anything, I directly stated that I am not making tons of money off the prison system, just as most of the population isn't. It's really a very small fraction of people profiting from the prison system. I am not one of them, the prison system is actually costing me money.
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billybob420 said:
You didn't directly stat that at all in what I was responding to.
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Notice the text in green is a statement. A statement I made. Directly.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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beardo said:
You do not earn "minimum wadge" neither do prisoners.
Slavery is accepted by the masses as the norm.
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No one earns minimum wadge because it's not a real word. You have been corrected multiple times now. It is WAGE, with no "d". I have full filled my societal obligations to not break the law (or at least not get caught). People in prison have not. People in prison have imposed great costs on society. Because of this I don't think they deserve or are entitled to the same rights and privileges as non incarcerated people, ie minimum wage.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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billybob420 said:
Anyways guy.

My concern is less about the prisoners and more about people outside the prison.

Shipping jobs into a prison is no better than sending them over seas. Well, maybe slightly better, but not by not. For the people on the outside, it's pretty much the same deal.
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Is this really a concern? Someone in prison is going to steal your menial job? What kind of quality job is going to get shipped into a prison that is going to impact you?
 
beardo

beardo

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guy incognito said:
No one earns minimum wadge because it's not a real word. You have been corrected multiple times now. It is WAGE, with no "d". I have full filled my societal obligations to not break the law (or at least not get caught). People in prison have not. People in prison have imposed great costs on society. Because of this I don't think they deserve or are entitled to the same rights and privileges as non incarcerated people, ie minimum wage.
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But you are not paid minimum wage
What is minimum wage?
How much is it?
Define it.
You have no clue, it's not your fault, most people are ignorant, they like to keep us that way. Were easier to fool and manage and profit from if we are dumb.
 
billybob420

billybob420

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guy incognito said:
Is this really a concern? Someone in prison is going to steal your menial job? What kind of quality job is going to get shipped into a prison that is going to impact you?
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When I was younger I worked in a call center.

That's one that's quickly going into prisons.
 
billybob420

billybob420

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Anyways, there's no reason to start talking shit on people who have low skill jobs. Someone's gotta do them.

Call me a blue blood, but I don't see anything wrong with someone making a living with a menial job.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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racerboy71 said:
i'd love to know the numbers of what % of people in prison are in there for raping or are gang members or murderers like you say..

even if they are in there for murder, you support slave labor?? what's the difference between slave labor and not paying prisoners a salary comparable to the work they perform?
imo, being in jail is the penalty for the crime committed, not paying them for jobs performed after that fact is simply insulting imvho..
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I don't have the statistics. I know a lot of people in prison should not be there, but I know a lot of them definitely should. I don't want to give the impression that I hate all prisoners, or I think they all deserve to be imprisoned. I know the system is bullshit, and a lot of people get railroaded for non violent drug crimes and pay a disproportionate price. However there are a lot of very bad people in prisons, and deservedly so.

I think it is disgusting that you think a murderer that is in prison deserves the same pay as me for the same job. Yes it is the same job, but there is a major difference between us that I feel justifies the discrepancy.

Prisoner in question:

Murdered someone
Is costing the tax payers tons of money ($20,000 - $50,000 /yr depending on facility and security level).

Me:

Did not murder anyone
Not costing state anything. In fact the government is taking some of my wages in order to pay to incarcerate the aforementioned murderer.
 
guy incognito

guy incognito

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beardo said:
But you are not paid minimum wage
What is minimum wage?
How much is it?
Define it.
You have no clue, it's not your fault, most people are ignorant, they like to keep us that way. Were easier to fool and manage and profit from if we are dumb.
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It varies by state. Minimum wage in my state is $7.40/hour.
 
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