pinner420
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Run silica from veg on. Add a power veg t5 with Uva and uvb... Hope that helps...
Roots absorb nutrient ions through porins
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He has been using silica mate. He swears by it on every grow and uses it until the end of the stretch.
Those UVA/b lights sounds like a good idea, will those kill bacteria as well as increase thc resins production? I'll tell him about that idea later thanks.
I was speaking with my mate last night and he said he thinks he knows the issues behind the problem.
The humidity is spiking upto around a max of 80% just before lights on. This is a bad environment for dense buds.
On the plus side, he has used some colloidal silver on infected buds and he said it seems to halt the rot in its tracks, stopping the spread and allowing the surrounding buds to to continue in growth unaffected. So perhaps we have learned a great defence against bud rot if the grow room is a sick room by its design.
(We live in North west England btw, so the only time is not pissing down is when it's raining lightly, hence huge humidity, especially through the winter months and even more so just before the dawn when the moisture saturation point outside is highest)
Thanks pinner420 for your consideration and response.
churchhaze
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Plants produce their own amino acids.
WeedFreak78
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I agree with plant's producing there own hormones/acids/etc/etc. Now, I'm not fully schooled on plant biology, actually I'm not schooled at all on it..lol..just a casual seeker of knowledge, but I'm assuming there are ways to "supercharge" or at least give the plant more potential, than just "give it what it needs", which usually translates to a minor/base nute schedule. Similar to if i shot myself up with HGH. It's something i need, but in excessive amounts can give me the ability to bulk up bigger and faster than i would without it. I would have to assume there are similar biological process in plants that react in similar ways through chemical stimuli.
since1991
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Giving plants bio stimulants besides basic nutrient mineral salts needed to survive increases plant growth...resistance to pests and diseases... improves taste flavor and ultimately harvest yields. Amino acids are produced by the plant yes....but providing certain amino acids throughout the plants life cycle means the plant spends its energy elsewhere. It acts as a cofactor to supercharge the enzymatic process. You see...a plant has a finite amount of spendable energy to assimiliate (like nitrates for example - up to 30% ). As an added bonus and like humic and fulvic acids...aminos (especially L- Glycine) chelate minerals organically in the rhizospere below the soil line and above on the leaf stomata. Regular applications of humic fulvic and amino acids in the form of organic kelp (ascophylum nodosum) and whey proteins (hydrolysate) will increase plant growth and root growth substantially and the overall vigor will be greatly improved. Numerous university and plant scientist studies have proven this all over the world. Now whether the hobby hydroponics industry markets overpriced nutrient additives to cannabis growers is beside the point. Thats pretty subjective and quite different than saying all bio stimulants do not have an affect whicb is simply not true. Growers that rely on forums to get information confuse and do not discern the difference between bio stimulant co factors and overpriced hydroponic additive marketing. Like what big greenhouses use for mineral nutrition (salt mineral fertilizer) you dont have to buy what the hobby hydroponics industry is trying to sell you. You can make your own additives that give your crops that extra punch. Big Ag most certainly uses humic/fulvic acids and kelp amongst other "additives". They certainly dont buy the hobby bottles....it would bankrupt them before one harvest with the amounts they would need.
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Tektek
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Roots absorb ions (and small amounts of some very small molecules non-specifically) through protein channels. Most channels are specific for a particular nutrient ion or water. The channels are narrow, 1 ion at a time. Foliar feed, only some ions are absorbed/effective.
Additions to root environment could change ion absorption. Maybe improve micro nute balance in plant, etc. Maybe control microorganism growth. Maybe chelation. Roots make and secrete chelates into soils. But nothing extra needed if grow is up to normal Ag specs. Some growers produce excellent tomatoes, cukes, etc, some have junk.
Plants respond to plant pheremones, terpene compounds. Some trees, attacked by insects, produce a different terpene profile that is less palatable to the insect. These terpene/pheremones can trigger the same response in nearby trees without insect damage. Why not produce them all the time? Insects develop/evolve resistance to all pesticides, natural or artificial. Some are produced to attract insect predators. Generally not a significant increase in terpene production.
Plants do not absorb amino acids. Biochemical pathways evolved to use ions as building blocks.
"but providing certain amino acids throughout the plants life cycle means the plant spends its energy elsewhere. It acts as a cofactor to supercharge the enzymatic process."
Hogwash. Enzymes are folded chains of amino acids. Cofactors are metal ions and complex molecules. Cofactor (biochemistry) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If anyone can, explain the chemical mechanism for a magic growth booster.
Additions to root environment could change ion absorption. Maybe improve micro nute balance in plant, etc. Maybe control microorganism growth. Maybe chelation. Roots make and secrete chelates into soils. But nothing extra needed if grow is up to normal Ag specs. Some growers produce excellent tomatoes, cukes, etc, some have junk.
Plants respond to plant pheremones, terpene compounds. Some trees, attacked by insects, produce a different terpene profile that is less palatable to the insect. These terpene/pheremones can trigger the same response in nearby trees without insect damage. Why not produce them all the time? Insects develop/evolve resistance to all pesticides, natural or artificial. Some are produced to attract insect predators. Generally not a significant increase in terpene production.
Plants do not absorb amino acids. Biochemical pathways evolved to use ions as building blocks.
"but providing certain amino acids throughout the plants life cycle means the plant spends its energy elsewhere. It acts as a cofactor to supercharge the enzymatic process."
Hogwash. Enzymes are folded chains of amino acids. Cofactors are metal ions and complex molecules. Cofactor (biochemistry) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If anyone can, explain the chemical mechanism for a magic growth booster.
Chillin chillin
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Here goes nothing.....
Agriculture production is a very intensive business and is related to better quality and better yield leading to better profitability.
Every Farmers dreams to achieve this goal. However to achieve this goal with advancement of technology, use of fertilizer and pesticides is not adequate. Now is the time to look at Bioenergetics and Biochemical aspects of plants, to achieve the goals of Farmerss.
Every plant like any organism needs certain components for growth over and above soil, sun, rain and air. The basic component of living cells is Proteins, with building block material, Amino Acids. Proteins are formed by sequence of Amino Acids.
Plants synthesize Amino Acids from the Primary elements, the Carbon and Oxygen obtained from air, Hydrogen from water in the soil, forming Carbon Hydrate by means of photosynthesis and combining it with the Nitrogen which the plants obtain from the soil, leading to synthesis of amino acids, by collateral metabolic pathways. Only L-Amino Acids are part of these Proteins and have metabolic activity.
The requirement of amino acids in essential quantities is well known as a means to increase yield and overall quality of crops.
The application of amino acids for foliar use is based on its requirement by plants in general and at critical stages of growth in particular. Plants absorb Amino Acids through Stomas and is proportionate to environment temperature.
Amino Acids are fundamental ingredients in the process of Protein Synthesis. About 20 important Amino Acids are involved in the process of each function. Studies have proved that Amino Acids can directly or indirectly influence the physiological activities of the plant.
Amino Acids are also supplied to plant by incorporating them into the soil. It helps in improving the microflora of the soil thereby facilitating the assimilation of nutrients.
Foliar Nutrition in the form of Protein Hydrolysate (Known as Amino Acids Liquid) and foliar spray provide readymade building blocks for Protein synthesis.
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Tektek
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638 × 479 - slideshare.net my links not work
gas diffusion through stoma. water flow out to evaporate. anything absorbed must cross cell membrane to be used, same porin size as root cells.
Mostly marketing BS. Like too much phosphorous for 50 yrs on ag soils. Now zero P fert for lawns 'cause so much locked in soil.
Plants evolved in a complex organic environment. Soil can be 5% bacteria by weight.
But some growers have big yields of primo with straight NFT in tubes. Using just mineral salts.
Or drip in media, with or without microorganisms. Using just mineral salts.
Helps if a Pro grower has a chemistry background.
gas diffusion through stoma. water flow out to evaporate. anything absorbed must cross cell membrane to be used, same porin size as root cells.
Mostly marketing BS. Like too much phosphorous for 50 yrs on ag soils. Now zero P fert for lawns 'cause so much locked in soil.
Plants evolved in a complex organic environment. Soil can be 5% bacteria by weight.
But some growers have big yields of primo with straight NFT in tubes. Using just mineral salts.
Or drip in media, with or without microorganisms. Using just mineral salts.
Helps if a Pro grower has a chemistry background.
Tektek
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Exactly. Not absorbed. Stuff happening in the root zone. Like hormonal signalling. Maybe sprays act hormonally. Foliars sprays wash off bentgrass into soil. Flawed study, but still has good info.
Organic veg garden soil has many of the growth boosters.
Additives including biologicals like mychorizza show more benefit for plants under stress and competitive field conditions.
Indoor grows should provide ideal environment, focus on basics like balanced NPK. That's 95%.
And use and intake filter to keep bugs out.
pinner420
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Yep those are the basics son
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Tektek
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100% not your son.
Is your knowledge of genetics and protein chemistry equal?
Tektek
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I don't see any gov or university sites that promote it. For field or greenhouse.
Rhodale Institute just did mychoriza trials for very stressed field conditions where the micro biome was compromised by normal ag chem. Yield increased a little, but about break even on costs.
The golf course greens are super high value, with most benefits from additives when under drought stress. Also, micro biome is compromised by ag chem. Too $$$ to do the fairways.
Chapter 3 - Water, Growing Media and Crop Nutrition OMAFRA FLORICULTURE
Chapter 9 - Using Plant Growth Regulators MOSTLY FOR SHORTER PLANTS
boilingoil
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I live in the corn belt and no farmers around here spread any of that. Having farmed 200 acres for 35+ years it comes down to the bottom line.
boilingoil
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And they would get better results by planting a cover crop and turning it in than spending money on something mother nature produces with a little time.