Roots absorb nutrient ions through porins

since1991

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Like humic/fulvic acids amino acids chelate minerals into the plant. Some of the hardest minerals cannabis (or any c3 plant indoors) has to take up is iron and calcium. Especially using a hydroponic medium like coco coir. Humic/ fulvic acid does wonders for iron (as does edta..eddha..and dtpa) and the amino acid glycine chelates calcium....big time. Botanicare knows this. Most of thier supplements contain calcium...iron...and magnesium and these are chelated with humics and aminos. If youve ever bought some of there stuff you will notice it all smells the same. That medicine cabinet listerine type smell. Its a proprietary base that they cram into most of thier bottles in varying amounts. Dr. Lynette Morgan formulated that one.....and it works very well for cannabis.
 
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MeJuana

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Interesting it seems plausible and correct so I will get an order going for the acids. By the way I spread out cola size through plant training to avoid bud rot because I fight high humidity I thought that was the correlation with bud rot. When someone is having bud rot at 23% humidity it makes me wonder how the heck that is even possible
 

Tektek

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Like humic/fulvic acids amino acids chelate minerals into the plant. Some of the hardest minerals cannabis (or any c3 plant indoors) has to take up is iron and calcium. Especially using a hydroponic medium like coco coir. Humic/ fulvic acid does wonders for iron (as does edta..eddha..and dtpa) and the amino acid glycine chelates calcium....big time. Botanicare knows this. Most of thier supplements contain calcium...iron...and magnesium and these are chelated with humics and aminos. If youve ever bought some of there stuff you will notice it all smells the same. That medicine cabinet listerine type smell. Its a proprietary base that they cram into most of thier bottles in varying amounts. Dr. Lynette Morgan formulated that one.....and it works very well for cannabis.
Chelation is valuable. Chelated micro nutes have different availability. Many different types. Micro nute ratios need adjusting. Retail pre-mix SHOULD have the right ratios.
 

churchhaze

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Iron DTPA. Magnesium and calcium do not need to be chelated. Iron is the only element that really needs it, and that's handled by using Iron DTPA.

Amino acid is just another form of N that hasn't been broken down to ammonia yet. It's N.
 
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since1991

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If your having calcium uptake problems...especially using coco coir as your medium using left turning amino acids like glycine with calcium nitrate will help calcium get absorbed quicker . If your humiditt is high try lowering it. It helps. Humic acid helps iron get absorbed and is especially useful for orgqnic growers wanting a natural mineral chelation. Chealtors like dtpa....eddha...and edta contain trace amounts of cyanide. Its used it the manufacturing process.
 

boilingoil

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If your having calcium uptake problems...especially using coco coir as your medium using left turning amino acids like glycine with calcium nitrate will help calcium get absorbed quicker . If your humiditt is high try lowering it. It helps. Humic acid helps iron get absorbed and is especially useful for orgqnic growers wanting a natural mineral chelation. Chealtors like dtpa....eddha...and edta contain trace amounts of cyanide. Its used it the manufacturing process.
Why the big deal with coir and calcium ? I've been growing in coir for 7+ years and never experienced a cal deficiency once the cation has been filled . Running RO, my cal-mag input is only 2ml per gallon, then what ever is in my base nutrients.
 

since1991

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Oh yeah well....lol. Its not a big deal really. But some growers do all kinds of wierd shit with coco coir. Epsecially newish growers. My cousin cant figure coir out for some reason. And several other growers i know. Prettt damn simple to me. But at one time about 10 years ago it gave me a headache. The coir back then was inconsistent from batch to batch in my experience.
 

boilingoil

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Oh yeah well....lol. Its not a big deal really. But some growers do all kinds of wierd shit with coco coir. Epsecially newish growers. My cousin cant figure coir out for some reason. And several other growers i know. Prettt damn simple to me. But at one time about 10 years ago it gave me a headache. The coir back then was inconsistent from batch to batch in my experience.
I'll attest to the poor quality of some of the coir I first started with.
And I'm seeing a lot more problem lately with growers using to much cal in their coir.
 

pinner420

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Enzymatic Activity and Temperature

With the obvious inputs of lighting, gas exchange, and irrigation well under control, the grower’s efforts of staying above the compensation point and showing resilience to pestilence in the vegetative phase is primarily dictated by temperature. We know that the simple effects of temperature extremes will inhibit the absorption of mineral elements and water, but did you know that the most important factor is enzymatic activity? I’m not talking about extracellular digestive enzymes you add to your reservoir to eat up old roots. I’m talking about the intracellular enzymes that are naturally

Enzymes are the key to all living systems. They are complex protein substances made of long, linear chains of amino acids that fold around to produce a unique three-dimensional product. Every biochemical action that takes place in nature is caused by a specific enzyme, which obviously makes them vital to plant growth. Enzymes work by lowering the activation energy for a reaction, thus dramatically decreasing the rate of energy (sugar) consumption needed to spark the same reactions without the enzyme. High temperature in the indoor garden or reservoir will denature the enzyme, that is, unfold and inactivate the three-dimensional structure of the protein. The three-dimensional shape is very important, with any destruction of the shape reducing the enzymes efficacy by 95%.
Heath Robinson
 

Tektek

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Good thread. We're making science. I'm learning. Thanks.
I guess organic additives can be valuable in some situations for pot.
And, some pretty extreme soils are farmed, so additives can be cost effective there too.
 
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