republicans want to pick on blameless children now.

UncleBuck

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/10/us/house-gop-proposes-sweeping-reversal-of-obama-immigration-steps.html?smid=nytcore-iphone-share&smprod=nytcore-iphone&_r=0

unable to take down the president or make him fail (and america along with him), the GOP has focused their efforts on a new front: beating up blameless children.

they're coming after the dreamers now. ya know, children who were brought here through no fault of their own, have known no other country, have stayed out of trouble and graduated college or served in the military.

the GOP just hates military veterans and education apparently.

the funniest part of all this is that the dream act was originally a republican idea. well, now that obama supports it, they fucking hate their own idea (again). nothing new about that.

could the righties be a bigger bunch of pathetic losers?
 

Rob Roy

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There have been reports that each time the Peace Prize winning Presidents drone attacks kill an alleged "bad guy" about 28 innocent people are also killed. Presumably some of them are children.

Thanks Obama!
 

Hazydat620

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There have been reports that each time the Peace Prize winning Presidents drone attacks kill an alleged "bad guy" about 28 innocent people are also killed. Presumably some of them are children.

Thanks Obama!
Every time? like every time 28 people died? give me a break.
 

Rob Roy

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Every time? like every time 28 people died? give me a break.
Your wish is granted. You get a break, you now have two more wishes.



Of course whether the average number of innocent people murdered is 28 or not is an interesting argument, but it doesn't address the question of how is it that ANY occur and why do people fund this murder?
 

Rob Roy

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Every time? like every time 28 people died? give me a break.

If the number is 26 or 30 how does that change the idea that innocent people are murdered by a program that is approved by a sitting President that has been awarded a Nobel Peace Prize?

Can you say Orwellian? I know you can.
 

Jimdamick

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There have been reports that each time the Peace Prize winning Presidents drone attacks kill an alleged "bad guy" about 28 innocent people are also killed. Presumably some of them are children.

Thanks Obama!
There has been 1 "terrorist" attack (Boston Marathon) in the US since Obama has been in office. Thanks, Mr. President!
 

Rob Roy

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There has been 1 "terrorist" attack (Boston Marathon) in the US since Obama has been in office. Thanks, Mr. President!
You might also note Rodan and Godzilla have NOT attacked either. Nor have the Lizard people. It looks like killing 28 innocents on average per drone strike has multiple effectiveness eh?
 

Jimdamick

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You might also note Rodan and Godzilla have NOT attacked either. Nor have the Lizard people. It looks like killing 28 innocents on average per drone strike has multiple effectiveness eh?
Your right! Mothra hasn't been seen either! I didn't connect the dots! Thanks for the insight. Oh, and the 28 "assumed" dead are only mountain Pakies anyway, mostly , so they really don't count that much in the larger scheme of things. In other words, tough shit.
 

Hazydat620

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If the number is 26 or 30 how does that change the idea that innocent people are murdered by a program that is approved by a sitting President that has been awarded a Nobel Peace Prize?

Can you say Orwellian? I know you can.
I'm not questioning the number, I'm questioning that you say EVERY single time a missile is fired at a target, between 20-30 innocent people die. You have read every single UAV mission briefing, and every single one has a group of casualties listed that's over 20 long? Has the president won the nobel peace prize every year since? why are you trying to disgrace something he received about 6 years ago. I would rather see drone strikes than a bunch of dip shit commanders coming up with shitty plans of attack and getting innocent US soldiers like my brother dead, doing the same missions with probably the same amount of civilian casualty's.
 

Rob Roy

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I'm not questioning the number, I'm questioning that you say EVERY single time a missile is fired at a target, between 20-30 innocent people die. You have read every single UAV mission briefing, and every single one has a group of casualties listed that's over 20 long? Has the president won the nobel peace prize every year since? why are you trying to disgrace something he received about 6 years ago. I would rather see drone strikes than a bunch of dip shit commanders coming up with shitty plans of attack and getting innocent US soldiers like my brother dead, doing the same missions with probably the same amount of civilian casualty's.
If your brother died, I feel bad for you, but killing more innocent people is not the answer.


I don't need to read every report, if ONE innocent person has been killed by the Nobel Peace Prize winners tactics he has some level of responsibility for their death doesn't he?

How would that work in the USA? Let's say you're just sitting at home minding your own business and the gang down the street shoots up the area in an attempt to kill one of their enemies, in the process you are killed. Did the gang commit murder?
 

Hazydat620

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If your brother died, I feel bad for you, but killing more innocent people is not the answer.


I don't need to read every report, if ONE innocent person has been killed by the Nobel Peace Prize winners tactics he has some level of responsibility for their death doesn't he?

How would that work in the USA? Let's say you're just sitting at home minding your own business and the gang down the street shoots up the area in an attempt to kill one of their enemies, in the process you are killed. Did the gang commit murder?
no the gang didn't commit murder, the individual did. Using your example, these " innocents" aren't innocent, they are guilty by association, just like ALL your gang members are guilty, and just like you say all of the govt. and anyone that supports the drone killings are.
 

Rob Roy

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no the gang didn't commit murder, the individual did. Using your example, these " innocents" aren't innocent, they are guilty by association, just like ALL your gang members are guilty, and just like you say all of the govt. and anyone that supports the drone killings are.

Okay, maybe we agree and you have misunderstood my point.

I think individuals ARE responsible when they kill other people, I also think there is no immunity from that if it is done by a person in some kind of military costume or if they got some silly Nobel Peace Prize.

Killing most people by drone is not a defensive act, it is murder. Murder begins where self defense ends doesn't it?
 

Hazydat620

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Okay, maybe we agree and you have misunderstood my point.

I think individuals ARE responsible when they kill other people, I also think there is no immunity from that if it is done by a person in some kind of military costume or if they got some silly Nobel Peace Prize.

Killing most people by drone is not a defensive act, it is murder. Murder begins where self defense ends doesn't it?
No I blew up your talking points and you're trying to save face.
You just called the NPP silly? Why do you keep using it as a talking point?
According to the republicans, killing these targets IS self defense, we have to do something before they do something to us. He gave the generals the use of drone's to kill targets. Do you want him in there at the controls or something? Would you like the president micromanaging EVERY branch of the govt. also? How much time do you think the president has to give the A OK thumb's up to every decision every person makes in all of Govt.? Sounds like you want a dictator not a president. If the president sat back and did nothing at all and brought the troops home from every post abroad, they would be calling for his head. What would be YOUR plan of action? Let me guess, get rid of it all and everyone governs themselves right, make it happen my little magic genie, I got two wishes left.
 

Rob Roy

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No I blew up your talking points and you're trying to save face.
You just called the NPP silly? Why do you keep using it as a talking point?
According to the republicans, killing these targets IS self defense, we have to do something before they do something to us. He gave the generals the use of drone's to kill targets. Do you want him in there at the controls or something? Would you like the president micromanaging EVERY branch of the govt. also? How much time do you think the president has to give the A OK thumb's up to every decision every person makes in all of Govt.? Sounds like you want a dictator not a president. If the president sat back and did nothing at all and brought the troops home from every post abroad, they would be calling for his head. What would be YOUR plan of action? Let me guess, get rid of it all and everyone governs themselves right, make it happen my little magic genie, I got two wishes left.


No, my point is that killing innocent people is wrong. It doesn't become right if a person has the "right" piece of paper, a nobel prize or a magic uniform.

My plan would be to see people as individuals and respect their right to be left alone as long they reciprocate. Easy.


As far as Presidents go, I don't recognize any of them as having any moral authority over me, especially the ones that kill people, which is pretty much all of them. Do you consent to murdering people ?
 

Hazydat620

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Dude you are trying to connect a lot of imaginary dots to try and make your points, lets try and not have a meltdown here.

Are you trying to imply also that since I voted for our dear president that I am also somehow guilty of murder?
Again why do you say innocents die in these attacks. According to your rationale these people standing next to these known terrorist are just as guilty as the target, they support their terrorist acts just by associating and not doing anything to stop them their criminal activities. According to you zero casualties are killed in these drone attacks, so yeah I wholeheartedly support war tactics with no innocent casualties.
Dude, you are in full on crazy ideologues meltdown mode, you can't even wrap your own head around your ideology, and shit keeps blowing up in your face.
 
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