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Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

Discussion in 'Organics' started by headtreep, Mar 21, 2013.

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    Gumdrawp

    Gumdrawp Well-Known Member

    Does anyone have experience using stall dry in their mix? It's DE rocks and calcium bentonite, I stumbled on it looking for dry stall to use as pumice.

    Also it looks like the only pumice I can find locally is the black gold brand, I read it has too many fines and need a to be screened, can anyone confirm this?
     
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    bizfactory

    bizfactory Well-Known Member

    I think you actually want Dry Stall, not Stall Dry. Stall Dry is the DE/clay and Dry Stall is volcanic rock/pumice which would be better for your soil.

    http://www.animalworldnetwork.com/drysthobe40b.html
     
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    Gumdrawp

    Gumdrawp Well-Known Member

    I know that I want dry stall, I've been looking for a local source but haven't found it. However the ingredients in stall dry are also common soil amendments, was just wondering if anyone had used them before.
     
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    Heil Tweetler

    Heil Tweetler Well-Known Member

    Ive haven't used those product's but i have used DE, calcined clay amendments and scoria to improve drainage in my very recycled peat based mix. Seems like in my case the scoria was the best idea. It is the most sturdy and long lasting by far. The plants seem to appreciate it as well. Roots surrounded the material in my 7 gal fabric pots. I got it from a bonsai supply spot and gave it a couple rinses before use. I usen tne medium small size, zero fines. The bits are like 1/2 the size of a pencil eraser.

    I couldn't find it localy either. Bought it from an opposite coast supplier.
     
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    DOOZY

    DOOZY Well-Known Member

    Can I substitute granite dust for the other rock dusts . I got a buddy offering me a 55 gal drum of it for free . I also have 50 lb bags of : alfalfa meal, fish bone meal, crab meal. Kelp meal, barly seed, corn seed, ag lime, rock phosphate azomite and 400 lb of worm cast . About to get peat but happen to have 600 gal of coco handy. New to this so I hope to get this right . I have 20+ years hydro experiance but facinated with soil now.
     
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    DrCannaPath

    DrCannaPath Well-Known Member

    You sure can if available for free go for it. I go to a marble and granite co where they cut them and shape em .... get a bagful of dust for free and use that in my garden ;-)

    Check out my current Organic Fruit Garden:
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/945580/
    and my previous Organic Run:
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/930415/
    and my previous QuadStrain grow ;-) :
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/916619/
    and my previous TriStrain grow ;-) :
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/883569/
     
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    DrCannaPath

    DrCannaPath Well-Known Member

    You sure can if available for free go for it. I go to a marble and granite co where they cut them and shape em .... get a bagful of dust for free and use that in my garden ;-)
    C9ngrats on the switch buddy and good luck ... happy growin

    Check out my current Organic Fruit Garden:
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/945580/
    and my previous Organic Run:
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/930415/
    and my previous QuadStrain grow ;-) :
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/916619/
    and my previous TriStrain grow ;-) :
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/883569/
     
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    ANC

    ANC Well-Known Member

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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    @ANC, thanks for the video, interesting educating and remindful!
     
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    nobighurry

    nobighurry Active Member

    I have been using red brick chips that are from an old over water saw mill that burned down years ago, the bricks have been agitated by native lake gravel, the pieces are pea to Lima bean size, I have found they work excellent, tons of tiny pores, no effect on ph great aeration
     
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    DrCannaPath

    DrCannaPath Well-Known Member

    Hey there and happy new year
    I have some questions to an issue i just realixed I've been having. My last run (2nd cycle) was weird in that at some point the worms ran out the pots and also the girls stalled or at least it looked like they did. Teas helped a lot ... anyway ... today i dumped out the soil to recycle it, reamend it, add more medium and vermi/compost and go up to #15 smart pots (from 9 gal). When i dumped the soil I noticed the roots were knotted (see pics) .. So i think i had root nematodes .... wondering if i should keep the soil and amend it with more compost vermicompost alfalfa and neem and treat it this way or scrap it and start over??
    what do you guys think?
    Also, do those nematodes bother the worms? Is this why the worms ran out?
    Thanks a lot in advace gentlemen... . And happy new year


    Check out my current Organic Fruit Garden:
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/945580/
    and my previous Organic Run:
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/930415/
    and my previous QuadStrain grow ;-) :
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/916619/
    and my previous TriStrain grow ;-) :
    http://www.rollitup.org/index.php?threads/883569/
     

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    NanoGadget

    NanoGadget Well-Known Member

    Hiya folks. I've read through this thread, as well as drawing info from growers I've known for decades and the ever trusty interwebz and I am officially going to be starting my first water only grow in a month or so. Got the soil cooking already.
    I wanted to say hello to everyone and ask one question that has been bugging me. What are the go to amendments you recommend I should have on hand for this type of growing should my soil not be fully capable of taking me through the end of flower?
    I've been growing for a long time but I've always been a bottled nute guy so I want to make sure I've got a little emergency kit ready to go if I start seeing deficiency. I'll have tea on hand if need be so I guess I'm mainly asking about any dry stuff you all think is most critical for me to have on hand.
     
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    Tyleb173rd

    Tyleb173rd Well-Known Member

    Making your own EWC and compost is number one. I bokashi binned 6 root Balls and that made some beautiful humus for my ladies. They love it.
     
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    ShLUbY

    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    no sweat my man. If you have any concern at all, just topdress a blend of the nutrients that you used to make your soil with, but go a little heavier on the K for flower (so increase kelp meal by applying a couple times through flower because it breaks down fast).

    What i have found is that i've achieved up to 25% greater yields by topdressing with a "bloom mix" the first week of flower, and as it slowly breaks down during flowering, the plants get everything they need. I have actually just been buying a bloom mix (NPK = 3-7-4) and mixing ~1/3 cup with 1.5" of compost and topdressing each plant with that in that first week or two. that will carry you through to the very end guaranteed, and I highly recommend it. I was averaging about 12 oz per 600 watt, and i've seen consistent boosts around 14, and upwards of 16 (and I think I can get it even higher... hopefully i'll have more on that as time goes on). The bloom mix I use is made by Organically Done, but you can get others, another one that looks interesting is made by Dr. Earth which also contains beneficials. Good luck in your venture.

    I will say, I found the Cootz mix (if that's what you're using) to be light in K, and this bloom mix has corrected this for me. What was your soil recipe?
     
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    keepsake

    keepsake Well-Known Member

    Dope reply man thanks. I'm on my first cycle using Coot's mix.
    2 weeks away from flip.
     
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    NanoGadget

    NanoGadget Well-Known Member

    Solid info right there! I appreciate it! The soil I'm cooking right now is formulated to be hot so I'm hoping that some kelp feeds will get me through but I've still got plenty of dry ferts left over to mix up a bloom mix. I've also got a mess of Great White laying around from a hydro run if I need more bennies. Planning on using it with coco and possibly perlite?
     
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    hillbill

    hillbill Well-Known Member

    It could be helpful to have kmag around for quick K boost and mg as well as sulfur. Castings are also very useful. I top dress at 4weeks with fish bone meal and castings. Blood meal, castings, Mexican bat guano and alfalfa teas will fill any N gaps. Do not over water!
     
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    RandomHero8913

    RandomHero8913 Well-Known Member

    I think it’s light on K because CC would water in agsil 16h/protekt thereby fulfilling that need.
     
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    ShLUbY

    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    if you have enough compost/EWC left over to make a tea or two with, that'll be most all the beneficials you need aside from mycorrhizal fungi. also, no matter the medium (coco or peat) you definitely need drainage material. i would recommend pumice over perlite. but volcanic rock crushed up, or diatom rocks are just as good. also biochar that hasn't been micronized too much is good drainage as well. Good luck!
     
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    Fastslappy

    Fastslappy Well-Known Member

    Feed stores carry drystall, if u can find a feed store .......
     

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