It's odd that you'd bring up a "misquote" from a religon who demands the near slavery treatment of ALL it's female members.
No sir, and to think things in Greek/Roman times are still going down in southwestern, USA is just sad. Proves how sad our government really is.
Well, I mean, I've never lived where he lives, so how do we know he's wrong? Not everywhere is like America, or Canada, or whatever. I mean, not all countries are the same. Maybe it is safer there. I mean, figure that there, the women aren't all a bunch of women like YOU and ME, they're different, they were RAISED there, THAT way, it's how they are.Oh well this is true but his believes are forced upon him. Are his beliefs really his own. NO!
I mean, of course you and me hear this, and think POPPY COCK (lol, I just wanted to say cock, I'll admit it). But we were raised in a completely different type of society, you know what i mean?Haha yes to everything.
The way I see it, when in rome, do as the romans do. If I'm in a country where it really IS dangerous for women, then I would probably listen to the suggestions about covering up and staying with men. Because I'm not going to get raped and killed just because I refuse to honor anyone elses customs but my own. Usually, I would probably just honor their customs out of respect, you know?
Exactly. I don't think this just acciunts for modest countries twisty. I think the condemned and shunned goes for most walks of life; believe it or not. That is why I ask why it is usually something that gets shoved under the carpet.
AND THIS was main my point wikid. How can someone who has been told what to believe and treats women this way have an opinion that matters to me. I don't wish to be disrespectful but if he doesn't even know the reaosns why his people do the things that they do then don't expect me to because I don't.
And oh ya....TALIBAN THIS...........................
Yeah. I'm not racist at all. I don't care for any group of people being condemned .But why do you believe what YOU do? Because you were raised where you were, and were taught that you could have your own freedoms and your own thoughts, and that you are a person with RIGHTS.I believe what i believe in because I choice to. I understand that every human being has 'free will.' It is a right that we are all 'SUPPOSED to have.
I mean, it goes both ways. He believes what he believes because he was raised there and that's the way it is there. I believe what I believe because i was raised HERE.
And whether or not their customs are for women's safety or not, it doesn't matter, because those are their CUSTOMS. When you're a kid, being raised by your parents, you don't question what they tell you, you just accept it.Gosh wikid . This isn't a racist thing for me.Not at all. I respect people's religion and their right to believe what they believe BUT it doesn't mean I have to agree with his ways and culture either.
Obviously we have different opinions so lets just leave it at that.
Do you know how many KIDS I had to hear racist shit from as a child? One boy told me that "my daddy says mexicans are only good for gardening and cleaning." Did the kids really believe that? Of course not, idiot probably didn't even understand it, but he was just spewing the nonsense he was raised with.
Holy friggin bleep.It's odd that you'd bring up a "misquote" from a religon who demands the near slavery treatment of ALL it's female members.EXACTLY!!!! How am I do respect what he has to say when this is where he is coming from. Thanks you panhead. This is what I am talking about.
You shouldnt quote the Qur'an (Koran) out of contex & claim it's message apply's to one scenario,the islamic law you quoted is a real law in the Qur'an but you twisted it & distorted it to fit this discussion.Thank you thank you thank you. I love this guy.That is exactly what he did. I thought it was ridiculous.
From the Qur'an.
XXIV/6-7: For those men who accuse their wives but have no witness except themselves,then let his testimony act as the testiomony of 4 men.Unreal.
This law is absolute in it's message & in its interpretation,how does this apply to a rape accusation?
Please dont bring Islam into this as the savior of falsly accused mens rights,if anything the Qur'an & the other books of Islam (Tirmzi & Hadith) are responsible for more inhumane & savage treatment of women world wide than any other written publication.
Some more islamic wisdom on the treatment of islamic women.
From the Koran.
11/223: Your women are tilth,to cultivate as you wish so go to your tilth.
IV/34: Men are the lord of women because Allah hath made one to excell the other,as for those women who you fear rebellion, abmonish them,banish them & scourge them.
IV/15: If any of your women are guilty of lewdness confine them until death claims them.
From the Tirmzi.
430: It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any other man when she is well dressed or made up.
439: If a woman is immodest the husband has the right to beat her,but he must not break her bones.Yes well isn't this lovely. Now what were you saing wikid?????
From the Hadith.
Chapter 558. When a man calls his woman to bed & she does not come,the one who is in heaven will be displeased with her,this will continue until the husband is pleased with her again.and if beating themn doesn't work guilt them out with fear of GOD!!!!!
Chapter 576. Women were created in the shape of a rib & in no way will be straightned for man.
As you would know if you'd ever studied islam,or the teachings of the 3 main books of islam,men are taught that all women are a mans property & inherently evil by nature,the teachings in these books must be followed to the letter,any man who does not blindly follow these teachings will then become a Kafir or an Infidel,once a man becomes a Kafir he is now subject to the penalty of death.
I have lived in 2 islamic countries & studied islam while i was there,the book you misquoted the verse from is designed to allow all islamic men to treat all women as dog's.
If that isnt enough information on islamic fundamentals on womens rights here's some more.
The 18 punishmentsfrom Allah twords women as described by Gazalli,a world renowned expert on islam,the Qur'an & the 2 books used in the daily translation of the Qur'an which are the Tirmzi & the Hadith.
Keep in mind that these punishments are for EVE'S transgression in the garden of eden.
1 Menstration.
2 Child birth.
3 Seperation from her father & to marry a stranger.
4 Pregnancy.
5 Not having control of her own physical self or person.
6 Lesser share of inheritance.
7 Her inability to divorce a man.
8 Her inability to have multiple husbands while her husband may have 4 wives.
9 To be secluded in the home.
10 To keep her head covered at all times,even in the home.
11 Two womens testimony will be equal to one mans testimony.
12 Not to leave the home unless accompanied by a relative.
13 May not take part in the friday feast or any funeral feasts.
14 Automatically disqualified to become a ruler, judge or person of importance.
15 The merit of a person has 100 points of merit,only one merit is attributed to woman,the other 99 points of a persons merit will be of man alone.
16 If women are profligate they will only be given half the torment as the rest at the time of the resurection.
17 After the husband dies the woman must wait a period of 4 months & 10 days before she is allowed to remarry.
18 After the husband divorces the wife she must wait a period of 3 months or 3 menstrual cycles before she is to remarry.
Are you sure this is a religion you'd like to be quoting as the savior of man ?
Thank you very much for that panhead.
And that's what makes you a good person. If only everyone in the world was a good person.I have to totally disagree with you here. With all that has been done to me I never once sought revenge. I have every right to seek revenge but what good would that do me???? Absolutely none except perhaps bring me down lower to their level.
I think men and women should be able to speak freely about things without the fear of persecution but unfortunately we do not live in an equal world with equal rights.
This goes beyond a scorned woman syndrome. It's not a matter of that I feel I was wronged as much as 'where does one go from here.?'
I can't do much about what has happened except to try and process it in a healthy manner. Revenge is the last thing from my mind.
Wow you've really taken to the edge on this one you might have to be careful about what you bring up over the internet as people have strange views and tend to feel they can say what they want without understanding how they could make other people feel and statistics are world wide coverage where rape occurs prominently throughout the countries which raises the world average, so be fortunate that you don't live in a place where it occurs quite as much as what statistics state they do, i had a quick scan over the thread and it seems a lot of people have rather different opinions about rape, whether they have had personal experiences or only know statistics.
Personally i think it is one of the lowest things a man/woman could ever do to another being. Its demoralising acts like rape that can completely change the outlook of a persons life...I also think it is an outrageous act to do. Especially when it is staged and planned out. Very sick
To answer your questions
1/ Why do woman/men NOT report rape?
There are many different reasons according to lifestyle and situation of the victim but mostly consist of fear, judgement, hopelessness simply because of the way society looks at rape and deals with it. Unfortunately not enough is done about rape cases because of lack of evidence (which to me is total BS)Yes I agree and I suppose that is why they are very persistent with getting the rape tests done
2/ Why is it so common and yet so disregarded? (people like to sweep it under the carpet like it doesn't happen)
Well almost like the answer for the first question, it all depends on who you have surrounding you in your life and who you can feel you can trust enough to take serious notice and or action for what has happened, the more rapists that get away with it never have to deal with the consequences or repercussions of there actions and the reality of doing physical and mental damage to another person.Yes this is true3/ Why is it that most rapist are people you personally know and not merely strangers?
Simply because it easier and in most situations the rapist can somewhat control the victim and not let them seek out help. If the rapist can convince surrounding people that he/she is telling the truth and the victim is merely making up story's then he/she has won and without being caught will most likely continue there ways.Exactly!!! And if the victim alread has an existing mental disorder ...what could be more perfect????
4/ Does counselling really help the people view themselves differently?
Now this is a very sketchy subject because of the very different outcomes from counselling. In some cases counselling and medication might be the only real help for these people, in other cases its not needed as they have strong supportive people in there lives to help with the ordeal, then there are the few cases that not even counselling can help because the damage is to far for the individual has been to much and they end up taking there own lives for the terrible nature of the rapists. and that is unforgivable....Yes I could understand this one. I don't think some people ever return to where they were. I certainly don't feel like the same person. I'm very hyper and my fight or flight response is set WAY TOO HIGH. I jump and startle far too easily and it has been 6 years since these gang rapes.
Some days are good but some days are really scary. Nightmares are frequent but recently since spring has arrived I have been having less.
Well I hope you get the answers you need to help guide you and let you know there are many people out there willing and wanting to help any person that has suffered from rape.
Thanks you all you people here. Stoners are the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes I agree that woman should learn how to defend themselves better. Without a doubt. All the martial arts in the world would not have prevented this. If it was onl a couple of people then it would have been totally different but it wasn't. There were stun guns and drugs and things involved and I even had a large german Shepherd at the time.
I'll consider it.
well for you information my understood friend i have lived in Karachi PAKISTAN. My dad had to work there for 15 years as a risk manager for BHP gases and oils, and i have personally seen and experienced how messed up these people are, and i can tell you right now that men in the western society have a lot more rights than women in islamic/muslim cultures.
We treat our dogs and animals better than you treat your women. How dare you?
yeah you tell em !!!! it still surprises me as to how many losers still don't have a clue and think that there life is hard done byand thank you again.
I honestly don't know where this guy gets off on telling me about how bad his women are in his country (that they are liars) but under the same breath goes on about how his ways in his country are so much better.
Talk about balls
Exactly. It is a myth and buddy who is going on about how his country have their culture the way it is so it protects their women......." Equal rights is the key, because in a society where men and women are equal is the only place where a woman/man can freely speak about things without fear of persecution."
The true equal society does not exist. It's a myth perpetrated by males...One has only to look at wages, position of power...etc. There have been advancement, but a long road yet remains to travel.......
....oh please. The guy obviously doesn't know how brainwashed he is or truly believes in his own bullshit. Their ways are the way they are primarily to suite the male gender and dominate. PERIOD!!!
..............yeah you tell em !!!! it still surprises me as to how many losers still don't have a clue and think that there life is hard done by
as long as there are people like you and me who still believe in what's right then everything's going to be alright
I am proud and it is something I can at least hold my head up about.