Weedoozie
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And that seems like it will be the reason why most medical marijuana patients will vote "No on Prop 19"
this blows...
Oakland pot factories get final approval
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this blows...
TokinPodPilot
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Hell, anyone who uses the "I grow enough for myself and that's all I care about" and recreational smokers should be seriously thinking of voting no on this prop. In fact, possession of any amount isn't technically against law currently, either. Law enforcement snag people by attaching the wonderful "with intent to sell". And that's pretty much where the 1 oz. limitation comes from. One ounce and below is a misdemeanor (the only one with no jail time and hopefully soon to be an infraction!), while amounts above one ounce are considered "excessive" amounts. And those limits are completely moot when it comes to personal cultivation. Those charged with first offense or second offense possession or personal cultivation are eligible for diversion which results in having to go through some court-ordered program and that's about it. The so-called progress that Prop 19 brings are all the rights we already have. The only things that Prop 19 brings that we don't have yet a self-feeding enforcement system with a fair amount of money on it's hands to look for people "breaking" the new law and a cooperative regulatory system composed of big business (or those that aspire to be) and the very same politicians that have been perfectly content to persecute the cannabis community at large, until they suddenly need more money.
prop 19 is intended to exist along side of prop 215, it is clearly stated at the start of prop 19
you would be free to stay in prop 215 whether prop 19 is passed or not
and as for unlimited number of plants under 215, try setting up a 1000 plant grow, report to us on the result
TokinPodPilot
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Who said anything about Prop 215 or specifying for medical? You seriously need to learn to read. Everything I stated was with regards to non-medical possession and cultivation and comes straight from California Health and Safety Code and the Penal Code of California.
i will concede you this point, you did not mention 215 in your last post
but you certainly alluded to it in your prior post
'It's still more restrictive than what we have now. Under current law, there is no limit to how many plants you can grow or how much you can cultivate for personal consumption.'
so i do apologize for mixing in the 2 posts, most arguments presented have been with respect to prop 19 and prop 215
TokinPodPilot
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And you'd be wrong again. There is no allusion to Prop 215 anywhere. I speak of current California marijuana laws with regard to common possession and cultivation for the purpose of personal consumption.
ganjaluvr
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hey uh, this legit?
you guys aren't joking.. right?
its official? they're building actual "pot factories" in Cali?
That would be the bomb son! hellz yeah.. I think my state and every other state, should follow California's 'laid back' cannabis laws.
I think it would lead to less crime in the world.. maybe help everyone relax a little.
All they gotta do is tax it like they do tobacco..
I wonder if they'd put some kind of warning about smoking cannabis on the sides of the bag/box.. like cigarette boxes do.
Who knows, but I do think it would def. help bring some "calmness" back to the world possibly.. IMO.
peace.
you guys aren't joking.. right?
its official? they're building actual "pot factories" in Cali?
That would be the bomb son! hellz yeah.. I think my state and every other state, should follow California's 'laid back' cannabis laws.
I think it would lead to less crime in the world.. maybe help everyone relax a little.
All they gotta do is tax it like they do tobacco..I wonder if they'd put some kind of warning about smoking cannabis on the sides of the bag/box.. like cigarette boxes do.
Who knows, but I do think it would def. help bring some "calmness" back to the world possibly.. IMO.
peace.
fair enough, you're restricting your points to current California Penal Law
that speaks volumes in itself, Penal as in crime
not many are going into Cali prison for small amounts of possession and cultivation, that is true
but it goes on your record as a crime, if you end being convicted on a misdemeanor
and this is a large part of Prop 19
small amounts and small cultivation is no longer a crime(for the most part)
misdemeanors are not a great talking point in the job interview process
TokinPodPilot
Well-Known Member
And this just shows the depth of your ignorance of California law. Please stick to screwing up your own state.
Current California Marijuana Laws
Weedoozie
Well-Known Member
This is not what we want. Cannabis for one has a multitude of beneficial uses including medical applications whereas tobacco does not and is proven to hurt many people over a long period of time. What kind of things do people need to be warned about when ingesting cannabis?? Like, "if you smoke this, you might act silly/laugh easier/sleep/eat/get horny/etc." Besides the already posted warnings on medical cannabis for keeping away from children and pets, I do not think cannabis needs a warning like tobacco. The American Medical Associations stated that Cannabis does have medicinal uses and that it should be rescheduled away from a schedule 1 drug by the FDA.I think it would lead to less crime in the world.. maybe help everyone relax a little.
I wonder if they'd put some kind of warning about smoking cannabis on the sides of the bag/box.. like cigarette boxes do.
sited source: http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/no-index/about-ama/13625.shtml
They have yet to do so.
it's certainly better than most, i guess if you think prop 19 is so terrible, then that explains your attitude, to a point
this is what i see from http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov link in regard to MJ convictions
Marijuana Possession Offenses
If you were convicted of possession of marijuana for personal use then you do not necessarily need to get a dismissal for the offense. Under California Health and Safety Code Sections 11361.5 and 11361.7 all possession of marijuana for personal use convictions, after January 1, 1976, are erased from your record after two years. BE CAREFUL! The conviction cannot be for cultivation, sales or transportation. If it is, it will be on your record.
TokinPodPilot
Well-Known Member
Did you even click the link and read?
yes i did, it was a very good read
there are 2 big points of view here, Cali voters that feel it's a Cali only issue
and others that take it as a bigger picture issue, about pushing legalization farther along
prop 19 is certainly not a perfect bill, there are plenty of bad parts, no argument there
if you think you can get something better through in the next 2 years, again i wouldn't argue against that either
but so many are going to hate any MJ legalization bill, none is going to be all that pretty
but come 2012 and Obama is likely out the door, there are plenty of political forces that would love to tame the California MJ situation
TokinPodPilot
Well-Known Member
Still waiting on your points. May want to try putting the blunt down first and concentrating. Prop 19 is a California only measure. You don't need Prop 19 to effect change in your own state. Get off your ass and do it. We fought long and hard to get to where we are now and we aren't about to let some schmuck buy his way into control. There is no good reason to ever vote in bad legislation. And voting in legislation in the hopes of future rationality from government is the biggest pipe dream of all.
lowryder666
Active Member
Oh yeah... and how's that different from I grow as a small business and that's all I care about. We're supposed to be in this together... globally