Nirvana seeds are crap!!!

sk8disgruntled said:

hey where is nirvana to defend themselves? i think ive seen like 10 ads for them reading through this thread lol. im sure they have seen this or other threads bashing them, i know ive seen a few without even looking for them specifically. so whats up nirvana? have they ever tried to defend themselves in other threads? makes them look guilty to me. i mean im sure its kinda a hit or miss with them. kinda like if you eat something bad that makes you sick, you never want to eat it again because you expect to get sick again. know what i mean? i promise i will never send nirvana another dime of my money i really dont want them to make me "sick" again.

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I would tend to believe that most breeders and or seedbanks would not say anything. They would not dignify an accusation by replying to it. In reply to anything they could say someone would only have to say something like, well of course they would CLAIM that, but it sure doesn't seem to make up for so many people saying the opposite.

It is a case of it being more judicious to let sleeping dogs lie.

Plus I doubt they scan these sites looking for complaints to reply about. They know a few complainers and a few people telling horror stories about them will not kill their business. If they lose a half dozen customers today from RIU, which I doubt will happen, they will pick up fifteen new ones tomorrow when some first time seed buyers make the error of picking them.

bossweed said:

This site is a crock as well, don't say anything negative on here or they will boot you! And they have this, to use. Wow! talk about hypocrisy...... Say fuck you to a poster and what do you get. The boot so I ask why the modican that says it if it is so bad.. I say to Nirvana and to the admin of RIU..

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Personally I would not go so far as to say that about this site. I have said many negative things about numerous breeders and seedbanks, some that advertise here, and I have never been booted or threatened for what I said. I have had the hammer dropped on me a couple times for being rather insulting to a few members, but no one has ever tried to silence me for saying if some breeder or seedbank is not quality or not reputable.

As sites like this go there is an equal to or greater amount of freedom of speech allowed when compare to some others.

I'm a pretty new grower, and I don't have much experience with Nirvana. I just got some WW and BlackJack femenized seeds from them tho. Arrived pretty damn fast. I can't speak for the quality of their seeds as I haven't grown them yet and I may end up putting my foot in my mouth but you could have just grew shit. But as for their quality and prices, as many people have said... Attitude is a seed bank, they don't produce the product. That increase in price does not mean better quality, it's the same product just sold by a different vendor. Any Nirvana strain seed or any other strand was purchased from that breeder then resold to you. The only reason I would order from Attitude is for strains by companies that don't ship to the states, if you bought a Nirvana strain from Attitude you got ripped off.

doped.saint said:

I'm a pretty new grower, and I don't have much experience with Nirvana. I just got some WW and BlackJack femenized seeds from them tho. Arrived pretty damn fast. I can't speak for the quality of their seeds as I haven't grown them yet and I may end up putting my foot in my mouth but you could have just grew shit. But as for their quality and prices, as many people have said... Attitude is a seed bank, they don't produce the product. That increase in price does not mean better quality, it's the same product just sold by a different vendor. Any Nirvana strain seed or any other strand was purchased from that breeder then resold to you. The only reason I would order from Attitude is for strains by companies that don't ship to the states, if you bought a Nirvana strain from Attitude you got ripped off.

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Regardless of the outcome of your first grow if one day you purchase strains from a quality breeder rather than Nirvana strains, you will then understand, you will learn for yourself that you cannot pay WalMart prices and get top quality genetics.

Your seeds being direct from Nirvana, the breeder, and Attitude and any regular seedbank purchasing them, marking them up and then reselling them makes them over priced idea is totally inaccurate other than with the exception of Nirvana's own strains. There are a handful or more breeders who sell direct, who create their own strains and make their own seeds and most of them are among the higher priced seeds. But that is because unlike Nirvana, their strains are high quality.

The old saying of you get what you pay for is accurate and it totally applies in this case. There is no way under the sun that Nirvana would be selling their gear so cheap if it were top quality. People pay well over $100.00 per pack of seeds on a regular basis and Nirvana would never pass up the chance to earn profits like that if the quality of their gear could justify the price. But it can't. It can't come close to doing that. The only way they can sell their gear is by making it attractive price-wise.

Yep .... eventually you will learn.

Brick Top said:

Regardless of the outcome of your first grow if one day you purchase strains from a quality breeder rather than Nirvana strains, you will then understand, you will learn for yourself that you cannot pay WalMart prices and get top quality genetics.

Your seeds being direct from Nirvana, the breeder, and Attitude and any regular seedbank purchasing them, marking them up and then reselling them makes them over priced idea is totally inaccurate other than with the exception of Nirvana's own strains. There are a handful or more breeders who sell direct, who create their own strains and make their own seeds and most of them are among the higher priced seeds. But that is because unlike Nirvana, their strains are high quality.

The old saying of you get what you pay for is accurate and it totally applies in this case. There is no way under the sun that Nirvana would be selling their gear so cheap if it were top quality. People pay well over $100.00 per pack of seeds on a regular basis and Nirvana would never pass up the chance to earn profits like that if the quality of their gear could justify the price. But it can't. It can't come close to doing that. The only way they can sell their gear is by making it attractive price-wise.

Yep .... eventually you will learn.

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I agree with you on this point but wouldn't you also say there are seed companies out there charging rediculous prices for strains that aren't quality? People see higher prices and associate them with quality and there are quite a few who simply just take advantage. The only way to know for sure is to do some research and grow out seed.

stonedmetalhead1 said:

I agree with you on this point but wouldn't you also say there are seed companies out there charging rediculous prices for strains that aren't quality? People see higher prices and associate them with quality and there are quite a few who simply just take advantage. The only way to know for sure is to do some research and grow out seed.

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or learn from those who have been around and know.

This isnt looking good for me :O i just ordered some white rhino reg's and i hope i dont get screwed. Although i ordered from edit and i clearly stated that i want original breeder packs along with my seeds. Hopefully edit will not do the switch on me and give me some bogus seeds. But hey it was 18$ for 10 regs xD so lol bargain for me =)

but for real i really hope that i dont get some flimsy genetics, this is going to be my first time ordering nirvana so i hope it is at least a decent strain.

one thing i noticed on the nirvana site is most strains have about 75 great reviews lol they do a good job of "seeding" out the bad ones, but they cant "seed" out poor genetics....

Attitude is legit and they have fair pricing. IDK what doped.saint is talking about. He's barking up the wrong tree if you ask me... I am very happy the for service they provide, and if it means paying an extra 5 bucks per pack vs. flying to amsterdam or cali or canada and purchasing some seeds, fine by me...

stonedmetalhead1 said:

I agree with you on this point but wouldn't you also say there are seed companies out there charging rediculous prices for strains that aren't quality? People see higher prices and associate them with quality and there are quite a few who simply just take advantage. The only way to know for sure is to do some research and grow out seed.

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Sure .. there are a couple that clearly are attempting to project an appearance of quality far beyond what actually exists by pricing their gear with the true top breeders .. but there are not many .. not as many as there are low priced junk genetics breeders. In another thread I was in last night a guy was trashing Attitude because the KC Brains and Nirvana seeds he purchased turned out to be pure crap. I basically said if you pick bottom of the barrel breeders you should be upset at them and at yourself for picking them and not at the middleman business he chose to purchase them through .. the breeders created the strains and made the beans, not Attitude.

And the same can be said for a couple breeders who way overprice their gear in relation to it's quality and consistency and stability. They want to run with the big dogs but they are just puppies wearing over-sized collars with overpriced gear trying to fit in. If someone purchases from them then the person should be upset with the breeder and with themselves.

Growers need to educate themselves not only on what breeders are good but which strains within their lines are the best. Even some top breeders will have a so-so strain now and then so you cannot totally rely on name alone, but even if you do you will still be better off than purchasing by overall low price of a line, by finding the lowest price knockoff of some famous name strain or way overpaying for some pollen chuckers gear that has just managed to market himself well and make himself appear to be a real pro when he does not deserve to be called a professional breeder.

But there are enough breeders that have proven themselves time and time again over a goodly number of years that if anyone doesn't know who is good and who is not good it either new to growing or never paid any attention to breeders and strains over the years.

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

or learn from those who have been around and know.

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That's kind of what I meant by research, that and sampling as much as possible but when it comes down to it you'll never really know until you grow some stuff out. Also, people have different experiences. The world is a big place and there are more seed places popping up all of the time. Some of them are just trying to make a buck and some are actually contributing something unique. Just because someone's been around doesn't actually mean they know everything, they might have a good idea but hands on experience is always the best. You have to take their knowledge and build on it.

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

or learn from those who have been around and know.

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It seems that a fairly high percentage of new and fairly new growers will not listen to the older growers. They tend to think that anything new or newer is always better and that there is always some magical new way to grow that will result in super yields .. and that older growers are out of touch and out of date and stuck in the past and know nothing about what's new and what's happening and what's in and what's modern .. which to the new or newer grower equates to it being the best.

That is why we see so many 'flavor of the month' strains come and go. For a short period of time all the puppies will be yapping and barking and howling about some strain like it is 'The Holy Grail.' Not long after you don't see it mentioned and they are then going on and on about some other mutt strain they think is wunder-weed.

In the mean time they look past and pass up many very high quality strains that would make their 'flavor of the month' strains look, and smoke, like Roadside Red in comparison.

mwowner15 said:

This isnt looking good for me :O i just ordered some white rhino reg's and i hope i dont get screwed. Although i ordered from edit and i clearly stated that i want original breeder packs along with my seeds. Hopefully edit will not do the switch on me and give me some bogus seeds. But hey it was 18$ for 10 regs xD so lol bargain for me =)

but for real i really hope that i dont get some flimsy genetics, this is going to be my first time ordering nirvana so i hope it is at least a decent strain.

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Regardless of if they send you true Nirvana White Rhino or not you still will not be getting true White Rhino, which was renamed Medicine Man by Shantibaba when he sold his share of Green House Seeds and opened Mr. Nice Seeds. If you get Nirvana's White Rhino the best you will be getting is their cheap knockoff and nothing at all like Shantibaba's original Cup winning genetics.

Variety is a great thing =)

I personally know that the review accusation is off. I have spent hours reading reviews at Nirvana-Shop.com and I've seen plenty of bad reviews as well, usually complaints about missing deliveries, cracked seeds, etc... Now that they give points for reviews and the reviews are screened first, I don't trust the latest reviews. The old reviews are still spot on.

AND, Nirvana has several strains that have been in breeding for years that are stable and considered F1 strains, such as Bubblelicious, PPP, Raspberry Cough, Royal Flush, Snow White, Sterling Haze, Super Skunk, white Castle, White Rhino, Aurora.......

I've had nothing but GREAT service from Nirvana, fast shipping, and excellent seed stock that has a high germination rate. The Bubblelicious strain is outta this world with resinous buds that can get as wide as your fist. Their Papaya and NYPD are also top strains.

The owner of Nirvana Seeds has been breeding and traveling the world over to find the best strains since the late 1980's when he worked for Positronic Seeds. While they do import and carry other breeder's seeds, they also do their own cross breeding and seed production as well. The poster that called them a simple seed house was way off base. It's amazing the things people will say when you can't hold them accountable for it...

I suspect you also have some people in here saying Nirvana is shit and they have never ordered from them. Those would be Attitude fan bois. I like Attitude too, but I also like Nirvana and have no favorites. It depends on who has what i need. At least Nirvana doesn't tack on a "stealth" charge and make you pay shipping twice. They'll resend your order if it doesn't arrive or there is a problem, even with germination. Try to get Attitude to honor non-germed seeds. They won't even talk to you about germination failure.

sharpshoota said:

one thing i noticed on the nirvana site is most strains have about 75 great reviews lol they do a good job of "seeding" out the bad ones, but they cant "seed" out poor genetics....

Attitude is legit and they have fair pricing. IDK what doped.saint is talking about. He's barking up the wrong tree if you ask me... I am very happy the for service they provide, and if it means paying an extra 5 bucks per pack vs. flying to amsterdam or cali or canada and purchasing some seeds, fine by me...

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Brick Top said:

It seems that a fairly high percentage of new and fairly new growers will not listen to the older growers. They tend to think that anything new or newer is always better and that there is always some magical new way to grow that will result in super yields .. and that older growers are out of touch and out of date and stuck in the past and know nothing about what's new and what's happening and what's in and what's modern .. which to the new or newer grower equates to it being the best.

That is why we see so many 'flavor of the month' strains come and go. For a short period of time all the puppies will be yapping and barking and howling about some strain like it is 'The Holy Grail.' Not long after you don't see it mentioned and they are then going on and on about some other mutt strain they think is wunder-weed.

In the mean time they look past and pass up many very high quality strains that would make their 'flavor of the month' strains look, and smoke, like Roadside Red in comparison.

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I have a customer, he is 21 and very smart, I asked him how he got so smart for such a young age, he replied
{ I pay attention when old effers like you are talking.}
when I wanted to learn to grow, I went to the guy who had 20 years experience and always had a consistent top quality to his grows.
When I came to RIU, I Learned who has been around and has Quality posts and follow there threads. I always tell people to come here and look up uncle ben's , Brick top, dave coullier and a few others threads for the best info.

kiss-asswow no shame what so ever

robert 14617 said:

kiss-asswow no shame what so ever

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Nope, don't mind giving credit where it's due, Maybe you should appreciate the knowledge that is here instead of trying to start shit with me. then you would know the difference between top shelf and mexi dirt weed.

should follow your own advice

Brick Top said:

Regardless of if they send you true Nirvana White Rhino or not you still will not be getting true White Rhino, which was renamed Medicine Man by Shantibaba when he sold his share of Green House Seeds and opened Mr. Nice Seeds. If you get Nirvana's White Rhino the best you will be getting is their cheap knockoff and nothing at all like Shantibaba's original Cup winning genetics.

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Nirvana carries a F1 Hybrid that has been bred for years. How do you know where the genetics come from? Why is this F1 a cheap 'knockoff'?

Buy 100% feminized: buy White Rhino marijuana seeds online from Nirvana!White Rhino is a powerful F1 marijuana hybrid of White Widow and a curiously strong Canadian indica strain. Its father contains more Cannabis Indica-genes than White Widow, its mother, making for denser, somewhat shorter cannabis plants. Because of its high THC content, White Rhino would be very suitable for medicinal marijuana users. The taste of its smoke is hashy and slightly harsh, making it work well in a bong. The buzz is stoney and comes on hard.

robert 14617 said:

should follow your own advice

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but I'm so CLEAVER, remember?