VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO
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all 3 phenos of white widow I grew from them where total junk. I polished those turds for 3 months and was totally disappointed.
Nirvana seeds are crap!!!
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Serapis
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And what WW have you liked? I hear a lot of complaints about the plant, and I understand why, the strain is not easy to grow.
Brick Top
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That depends on what someone considered variety to be and also what they hope to receive. If they hope for a quality mother or two, or just all or mostly quality plants that are the same and they end up with a number of different phenotypes, none of them at all what they hoped for, none as the breeder description made the strain sound like, that is not good variety.
The same can be said for someone who does not know a strain is a knockoff and who pays their money believing they will be receiving a top name strain, possibly a Cup winner, and instead end up with WalMart grade genetics. That would not be a case of variety being good either because it only came about through a combination of strain ignorance and misrepresentation of the strain.
Now if you want good variety, purchase a handful of packs of Joey Weed's AK47 F2s and pheno-hunt. If you are lucky you will find the better of the two cherry AK47 phenotypes like I did some years back. Now that's good variety. That is when you actually want variety and the more of it the better because it increases your odds of finding that very unique very special very elusive phenotype.
Brick Top
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If someone wants "White Widow" and wants it to be good they need to purchase the original from Mr. Nice Seeds that was renamed Black Widow.
After that the closest knockoff to the original "White Widow" I have come across is De Sjamaan's "White Widow."
MsBBB
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I agree with you Victory, add me to that list of kiss-assgiving it when it is due
VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO
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actually, it was very easy to grow, as I was trimming it up I actually thought it was gonna be great.
but after it dried and cured, I tried a Bong hit and it just didn't have much smell or taste, I never smoked enough to get a high cause it was just gross. I grew this right alongside a JTR, everything was identical. The JTR sold out at a buddies dispensary in 1 day.
so I know it wasn't the farmer. Nirvana might have a few good strains, and I have said, I got what I paid for. But, that's a lot of time and money spent to learn that.
resinousflowers
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i decided to try nirvana's blue mystic.all 10 seeds germinated,and i got 6 females.all but 1 of the females looked exactly the same.one however looked more sativa in appearence.they all flowered nicely,and i was very happy with the quality.
some of them did start out deformed tho,but they grew out of it,into very good looking healthy plants.so i personally cannot say anything bad about nirvana.
some of them did start out deformed tho,but they grew out of it,into very good looking healthy plants.so i personally cannot say anything bad about nirvana.
Brick Top
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Originally Posted by SerapisAnd what WW have you liked? I hear a lot of complaints about the plant, and I understand why, the strain is not easy to grow.
I am NOT defending Nirvana's knockoff "White Widow" but even the original White Widow/Black widow had the knock of not tasting good. It was it's one true flaw. In the next few years after it became a superstar strain a number of crosses were made using it in an attempt to retain it's potency but give it a decent taste. A few were not bad. they retained most of the potency and did taste better, but they never gained fame and have pretty much vanished due to lack of sales.
sharpshoota
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Im guessing you have just read all these somewhere, about the owner, this almost sounds scripted off their website the descriptions of the F1 hybrids.
this is what makes threads like this pointless... everyone has their own tastes/opinons/experiences/reasons...
like i said, its like they are the walmart of seed companies lol some hate em some love em
but they could careless either way cause people are still buying their seeds, $25 for a reg/10 pack. why not add it to your grow and see what happens...
you can get a killer pheno out of bagseed so what the fuck are you so pissed about...
that why i ordered some bubblelicious and master kush from them... you need to chill out bro...
VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO
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what happened for me,
loss of $$$$ from electricity to grow
loss of usage of lights and ballasts,nutes,space that could be used for something good
Loss of time growing
loss of time more trimming
loss of time curing
loss of time spent trying to get rid of it without anyone knowing I grew it.
loss of time spent tryng to teach others to not make the same mistake
sounds like good advice to me.
Brick Top
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Growing Roadside Red or Ghetto Gold is no bargain ... plus while growing it you face the same legal risks as you would if you were instead growing something that is high quality .. unless of course you are in a Med State and legal in the State .. but then if someone is actually growing true Meds then why grow baby aspirin instead of the powerful potent medication you actually need?
sharpshoota
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yeah it could turn out as a waste of couse, thats risk when growing from seeds...
Hudsonvalley82
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Wow, such a unique situation you are in.
You have to admit, that thousands, if not more people, are in the same boat you are in from probably dozens if not hundred of breeders. As well as people who grow from clone sometimes. I fail to see the argument here when such a situation is so prevalent in this "hobby or business". An outcome as such stems from a plethora of different reasons.
Nirvana plants can grow good bud. Bottom line. Far more often then they grow bad bud. When shit happens, it is the usual fall back of a grower to blame genetics. Like when the average person gets into an accident, they blame the car or the other person. Its a thin defense you have put up, that is why it is so compelling to attack it.
You have to admit, that thousands, if not more people, are in the same boat you are in from probably dozens if not hundred of breeders. As well as people who grow from clone sometimes. I fail to see the argument here when such a situation is so prevalent in this "hobby or business". An outcome as such stems from a plethora of different reasons.
Nirvana plants can grow good bud. Bottom line. Far more often then they grow bad bud. When shit happens, it is the usual fall back of a grower to blame genetics. Like when the average person gets into an accident, they blame the car or the other person. Its a thin defense you have put up, that is why it is so compelling to attack it.
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Any seeds are always something of a risk but when they come from a top notch highly skilled breeder rather than some pollen chucker or WalMart grade breeder the risks are minimal rather than major. The probability of some sort of problem or problems or ending up with very poor results skyrocket when you purchase bottom of the barrel genetics.
Another thing to consider is even top quality genetics only guarantee the chance of top quality smoke. In the hands of someone who knows little to nothing about growing they still might end up with something that is not at all impressive .. but the guarantee that comes with bottom of the barrel genetics is even the very best most highly skilled most experienced grower with the very best setup will only be able to get but so much from the genetics because it is impossible to grow any strain so well that you can take it beyond it's genetic limits. That is the case with picking bottom of the barrel genetics.
In the simple terms of the locals of my area ... you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit no matter how much mayonnaise you add.
Hudsonvalley82
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Agreed...for most growers on this site, myself included, it is probably difficult to reach genetic ceilings on even a wal-mart strain without many more years under our belts.
i just did finish out a WW cross grow, a brainwreck - train wreck x WW(supposedly)
potency was good, but taste was not good, a funky under taste was present
sharpshoota
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very much agreed!! couldnt have put it better
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I have listed breeders and seed companies (in those cases not individual breeders by name) a number of times.
In no particular order
Reeferman Seeds
Shantibaba (Mr. Nice Seeds)
Serious Seeds
Sensi Seeds
De Sjamaan
Soma Seeds
Sagarmatha Seeds
Sannie's is good but most of the line just isn't my cup of tea, but his gear is still good.
I've tried a few strains from Paradise Seeds and was very well pleased, but I have not tried all that many of their strains .. Nebula was good, and even though I am not a real indica fan Sensi Star was more than just enjoyable.
I could say the same for Black Label Seeds and a couple more breeders/seed companies .. but not all that many.
Sometimes what makes me like one more than others is not a wide selection or even the most potent strains but the consistency you get. I don't care much for surprises and sometimes just being able to know you can rely on what you will get is more important to me than two more percent of THC.
When it comes to pretty colors, they are meaningless to me, as are exotic aromas when growing, and something that tastes like some fruit, tropical or otherwise, has never made me any higher just because of the flavor .. so again those things are all utterly meaningless too me. To me they are gimmicks to catch the eye of the customer because the breeder can't offer anything more tangible, not higher potency or a longer lasting more enjoyable high, they turn to pretty, pretty colors and exotic aromas and tropical fruit flavors .... basically in most cases, not all, but in most it's all just 'flash, just 'go faster stripes' to make a mundane strain appear to be unique and special and better than it actually is.
hempstead
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Brick Top What is your number 1 favorite strain available in seed form? If you were stuck on an island and could only have this 1 pack of seeds, what would it be?