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I have a hoarded 6 pack of Coca Cola in little galss bottles from the !950's. It sits on a shelf above my desk. I every once in a while just look at it and sigh. I laso have one bottle each of root beer, Nehi Grape and Nehi orange in small glass bottles. And my 1961 Edition Lionel Train set cars sit on the shelf. But then I always look at my computer screen and return to the present. However, once a year just before Christmas I set up the complete set up with village buildings, trees, street lights, train station, tunnel etc. The locomotive engine even smokes as it has a spot to add drops of oil. It gets taken down right after the New Year.

i have alot of saftey and security features that ive incuded in the room and these are nice but if the power goes out even for a moment some of them need to be reset manually. example i have it so if the temp goes above a certain set level ( about 7 degrees above normal)the lights will turn off and not come back on unless i reset them. (This is in case the cooling system fails the lights wont toast everything. With lights out things can go a long time without cooling)

I have a remote temp sensor that actually is what let me know that something was wrong when the RF remote switch tripped (killing all the power). I saw the temps dropping and i knew something was amiss.

I use to have a tiny float in a 1 inch piece of PVC and then i had one of my LP aero misters on the same cycle as the system which would put mist into the top of the PVC and i controled the drain of the 1 inch piece of PVC with a needle valve so that the float always stayed up(closing the switch contacts) unless the misting stopped, then the water in the tube would go down slowly thus causing the float to go down and open the contacts which triggered an alarm. so it would tell me if anything interrupted the misting cycle.(pump failure, acc tank failure, selenoid failure, piping blowout etc.) It worked great, but that type of safety feature wont work with these tiny amounts of output nozzels as its not enough to keep a float up. Its a great design though for LP aero.

I have an idea of how to do it with this system but have not got around to it yet. Im going to take a moisture sensor that detects moisture when pipes break and put that into a chamber. the misting will close the contacts on the moisture sensor as it will always be wet from the misting unless the misting stops then the contacts will open triggering a relay to send an alarm. i think its going to work and the sensor is pretty cheap as these things are used alot to tell people if their pipes have broken or their washing machine is leaking etc.

fatman7574 said:

I have a hoarded 6 pack of Coca Cola in little galss bottles from the !950's. It sits on a shelf above my desk. I every once in a while just look at it and sigh. I laso have one bottle each of root beer, Nehi Grape and Nehi orange in small glass bottles. And my 1961 Edition Lionel Train set cars sit on the shelf. But then I always look at my computer screen and return to the present. However, once a year just before Christmas I set up the complete set up with village buildings, trees, street lights, train station, tunnel etc. The locomotive engine even smokes as it has a spot to add drops of oil. It gets taken down right after the New Year.

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well you must be alittle older than me. that would explain the $15 to $20 columbian though. since in my age group it was 35-40.

Yepper, four finger bags was the purchase goal back then. Back during the days of orange barrels, Mr. Natural blotter, window pane, micro dots, chocolate mescaline, shrooms and a jar of white crosses for $75. And a banana bomb pop for 10 cents from the ice cream man in his Jeep with a dry ice cooler in the back. If you were feeling rich you bought a pint of ice cream for 25 cents and ate it with the flat wooden spoon. 5 cents for a candy bar. Muscle cars!!!!!!!

Sounds like you have every eventually covered, you can never have too many safety features or gadgets..especially gadgets
I don`t have enough yet but i can tell when the pipework downstream from the solenoid pressurizes during a misting pulse, the orange pins on the adv`s are pushed outwards under the pressure and have enough travel to operate a lever style microswitch. If each adv has a microswitch and a check valve, it can indentify individual blocked or partially blocked nozzle assemblies as the pressure would drop slower than normal or wouldnt drop at all.
A display with a led representing each nozzle position, the leds would go out slower or not at all with any blocked or partially blocked nozzles. It does add the cost of 16 JG check valves and 16 microswitches in my case but i think its worthwhile with no need to check 40 nozzles unnecessarily. I seriously doubt any growshops stock a nozzle blockage detector

fatman7574 said:

Yepper, four finger bags was the purchase goal back then. Back during the days of orange barrels, Mr. Natural blotter, window pane, micro dots, chocolate mescaline, shrooms and a jar of white crosses for $75. And a banana bomb pop for 10 cents from the ice cream man in his Jeep with a dry ice cooler in the back. If you were feeling rich you bought a pint of ice cream for 25 cents and ate it with the flat wooden spoon. 5 cents for a candy bar. Muscle cars!!!!!!!

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you never hear that phrase anymore "four fingered bags" thats from a different age

Atomizer said:

Sounds like you have every eventually covered, you can never have too many safety features or gadgets..especially gadgets
I don`t have enough yet but i can tell when the pipework downstream from the solenoid pressurizes during a misting pulse, the orange pins on the adv`s are pushed outwards under the pressure and have enough travel to operate a lever style microswitch. If each adv has a microswitch and a check valve, it can indentify individual blocked or partially blocked nozzle assemblies as the pressure would drop slower than normal or wouldnt drop at all.
A display with a led representing each nozzle position, the leds would go out slower or not at all with any blocked or partially blocked nozzles. It does add the cost of 16 JG check valves and 16 microswitches in my case but i think its worthwhile with no need to check 40 nozzles unnecessarily. I seriously doubt any growshops stock a nozzle blockage detector

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Id like to see the look on the hydro store face when you asked for a nozzel blockage detector.

i never thought there would be enough travel to trip a microswitch. plus trying to mount them and align them. wouldnt thatbe hard to get everything just right. the leds sound great. im sure with that many nozzels it would be a pain trying to check them all.
I cant even really tell if mine are working unless i open the selenoid up and stick my hand under each one. and i think i mentioned this before but some of these nozzels just seem to perform better right out of the bag. i thought maybe it had something to do with where they were located in my system but i moved one and it didnt make any difference. unless some of them got something stuck in them from setup. ive blown thru some but you cant tell anything cause you cant even hardly blow thru a new one the orifice is to tiny. thats why i got 4 of them i think even one could fill the chamber if need be. im definately going to try some of the .04oz/sec ones and see what the difference would be.

the thing is all the other type of nozzels i find that id like to try arent designed the same as hydro atomizing nozzels with the little impingment protruding. the others work on the principle of spraying solution thru a tiny orifice and most of them i think would have problems clogging quick in my system. the hydr atomizing nozzels have little vortex channels in the nozzel that speed up the velocity as the solution rushes to the orifice. ive emailed manufactures about the use of the other types and they all say to use Ro water to avoid cloggs. I do use Ro water but after you add the nutes its along way from 0ppm RO water. Most of the tiny orifice nozzels seem to be geared toward cooling and humidification or reptile cooling where just RO water could be used or should be used in the case of reptiles. I dont know i guess the only way to really know is to try some. I guess yours work on that principle and you say they dont clogg but yours seem to be designed differently than just the tiny single regular nozzel like tefons nozzels.

i noticed from looking at the bio websites aero units that they have alot of nozzels in thier chambers and have them pretty close together. from looking at the pics it would seem to me with there 3 minute off 3 sec on fixed timers that go with them units that things would be getting wet. I guess not though or they wouldnt sell them that way.

Yo Fatman,
would you mind forwarding me that email from your delavan distributor... ? ( or at least the details )
-I'm content paying 175 for an SN example, my distributor isn't close to that price.

i never thought there would be enough travel to trip a microswitch. plus trying to mount them and align them. wouldnt thatbe hard to get everything just right. the leds sound great. im sure with that many nozzels it would be a pain trying to check them all.

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The orange pin protrudes about 4mm under pressure. Mounting a switch isn`t too bad as the nozzles are a fair way from the base fitting with all the bits and pieces. The microswitch can be mounted on some plastic angle fixed to the main supply pipework above the nozzle and adjusted so the switch lever rests against the pin. I`ll have 16 adv`s feeding 40 nozzles so that should make it a little easier.

This is some pretty high tech stuff, and I am impressed with those of you who are willing to put the time and effort into taking aeroponics to the next level. I'm wondering if anyone is interested in doing a complete breakdown of all the components needed to build one of these high pressure aero systems, and can provide production numbers as well. I'm interested because I use LP aero and have considered experimenting with HP aero, but it just seems so expensive and complicated compared to LP. I'm definitely all about investing the proper amount of time/effort/money if it pays off in the long run, but it's hard to imagine getting much better results than what I've seen with a properly maintained LP system. So, let's start off with what I know can be produced with a 600W light in a 5x5x10 room running CO2 at 1500 PPM using a home made LP Aero system with Canna nutes and running on a 15 minute on/15 minute off pump cycle.

Cost of components:

1 1000GPH pump....$70
2 Tote reservoirs....$35
40 ez clone misters....$25
5 Micron Filter from Home Depot...$25
Tubing/PVC....$10
2 air pumps + 2 air stones to oxygenate the water build up in bottom of rez....$40
15 minute interval timer from walmart...$10

Total Cost of complete aeroponic system...$215

Production capabilities: With CO2 injection, starting from clones of an indica-dominant strain, going into12/12 immediately after root development, with 20 plants:

Average production....18 OZ

Maintenence:

Filter replacement: Requires replacing about once per month @ $8 per filter.
Pump replacement: Hydrofarm models come with 1 year warranty, and they usually last longer than that.
Water: Never replace water, simply refill and check pH/ppm on a daily basis.
Misters: Never clog as long as filter is replaced once per month.

Build time: 2 hours.

So, in the end, you can produce a system in a couple of hours, for around 200 bucks, that requires very little daily maintenence or replacement parts, and can produce close to an ouce per plant in a SOG style set up.

Now let's hear some numbers from other HP or LP aero set ups.

Treeth said:

Yo Fatman,
would you mind forwarding me that email from your delavan distributor... ? ( or at least the details )
-I'm content paying 175 for an SN example, my distributor isn't close to that price.

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*****,
I'm located in Charlotte NC. The manufacture of these nozzles is located in Widnes United Kingdom.

With a gravity feed nozzle the "ON" / "OFF" would be tuff to control and proably not work unless you use a shut off valve on the nozzle. This is an option in our AL product line. There are a variety of control and sprays with this product line. Unfortunately, they are not cheap with a price range of $300 to $800 per nozzle. The siphon nozzle in Stainless Steel is priced at $175 ea.

Delavan Spray Technologies
Goodrich Corporation

"Swoope, Stephen" <[email protected]>

McDonnel and Miller (by ITT) makes flow switches small enough and precise enough. I use larger ones to shut down my lights if the cooling water flow to them becomes to little or stops. Mine are larger and readily buyable from Ebay so the price was cheaper. They are really just switch that are selaed with a small satinless steel padddle that protruded in to the water passage way. They are adjustable and simply activate a relays switch.

LiquidLumen said:

This is some pretty high tech stuff, and I am impressed with those of you who are willing to put the time and effort into taking aeroponics to the next level. I'm wondering if anyone is interested in doing a complete breakdown of all the components needed to build one of these high pressure aero systems, and can provide production numbers as well. I'm interested because I use LP aero and have considered experimenting with HP aero, but it just seems so expensive and complicated compared to LP. I'm definitely all about investing the proper amount of time/effort/money if it pays off in the long run, but it's hard to imagine getting much better results than what I've seen with a properly maintained LP system. So, let's start off with what I know can be produced with a 600W light in a 5x5x10 room running CO2 at 1500 PPM using a home made LP Aero system with Canna nutes and running on a 15 minute on/15 minute off pump cycle.

Cost of components:

1 1000GPH pump....$70
2 Tote reservoirs....$35
40 ez clone misters....$25
5 Micron Filter from Home Depot...$25
Tubing/PVC....$10
2 air pumps + 2 air stones to oxygenate the water build up in bottom of rez....$40
15 minute interval timer from walmart...$10

Total Cost of complete aeroponic system...$215

Production capabilities: With CO2 injection, starting from clones of an indica-dominant strain, going into12/12 immediately after root development, with 20 plants:

Average production....18 OZ

Maintenence:

Filter replacement: Requires replacing about once per month @ $8 per filter.
Pump replacement: Hydrofarm models come with 1 year warranty, and they usually last longer than that.
Water: Never replace water, simply refill and check pH/ppm on a daily basis.
Misters: Never clog as long as filter is replaced once per month.

Build time: 2 hours.

So, in the end, you can produce a system in a couple of hours, for around 200 bucks, that requires very little daily maintenence or replacement parts, and can produce close to an ouce per plant in a SOG style set up.

Now let's hear some numbers from other HP or LP aero set ups.

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You seem to be trying to high jack this thread. This is really an all together different thread topic. You should perhaps ask a moderator to transfer your post to a new thread under a LP aero heading perhaps. The way it is it is this thread is already covering both HP aero's both pump and air atomized as they are closely parallel. This is not a thread comparing high pressure to low pressure systems so your post is quite a stretch.

Huh, I got the impression that;

Delavan made nothing but engineering specifications...
And licensed shops run manufacturing on their cnc machines,
which is why examples are so expensive- because they are custom made in production runs for you.

Did you get the impression, Fatman, that Stephen had inventory of these parts?

fatman7574 said:

*****,
I'm located in Charlotte NC. The manufacture of these nozzles is located in Widnes United Kingdom.

With a gravity feed nozzle the "ON" / "OFF" would be tuff to control and proably not work unless you use a shut off valve on the nozzle. This is an option in our AL product line. There are a variety of control and sprays with this product line. Unfortunately, they are not cheap with a price range of $300 to $800 per nozzle. The siphon nozzle in Stainless Steel is priced at $175 ea.

Delavan Spray Technologies
Goodrich Corporation

"Swoope, Stephen" [email protected]

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I dont really get this guys email. it sounds like he just wants to sell a nozzel with the shutoff option. i dont see how it can be hard to control on/off, if you have gravity feeding the nozzel and you have a seleniod valve in the line to the nozzel. If you slam the selenoid down its going to turn off the flow stopping the nozzel. you can have the air line on a selenoid and the gravity feed line on a selenoid that work together triggered by the cycle timer.

the only problem i can see is if the nozzel isnt designed to work with just the head pressure of the gravity feed.( which i think is like approx. 14psi depending on the hieght of the water column but you might have to calculate the head pressure for a given set of parameters), id have to look.

If i build one of these i would use a pressure feed nozzel rather than a siphon or gravity for the solution as well as the air line. i think it gives you the ability to control the atomization better and doesnt really add that much complexity to the system because the pressures needed to drive the pressure feed nozzels is only in the 40-60psi range and thats easy and relatively inexpensive to use that equipment.

Gravity would be nice if a nozzel can be found to work properly that way. if the Atomix siphoned the solution to the nozzel i dont see why gravity shouldnt work.

Treeth said:

Huh, I got the impression that;

Delavan made nothing but engineering specifications...
And licensed shops run manufacturing on their cnc machines,
which is why examples are so expensive- because they are custom made in production runs for you.

Did you get the impression, Fatman, that Stephen had inventory of these parts?

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No.

He is just a distributor for the euro manafactures Delavan in the UK
I imagine he keeps very little shelf inventory.
He is also a distriburor for Goodrich so I imagine he is just a distributer and actually manafactures nothing.
Just skims what he can as he can.

LiquidLumen said:

This is some pretty high tech stuff, and I am impressed with those of you who are willing to put the time and effort into taking aeroponics to the next level. I'm wondering if anyone is interested in doing a complete breakdown of all the components needed to build one of these high pressure aero systems, and can provide production numbers as well. I'm interested because I use LP aero and have considered experimenting with HP aero, but it just seems so expensive and complicated compared to LP. I'm definitely all about investing the proper amount of time/effort/money if it pays off in the long run, but it's hard to imagine getting much better results than what I've seen with a properly maintained LP system. So, let's start off with what I know can be produced with a 600W light in a 5x5x10 room running CO2 at 1500 PPM using a home made LP Aero system with Canna nutes and running on a 15 minute on/15 minute off pump cycle.

Cost of components:

1 1000GPH pump....$70
2 Tote reservoirs....$35
40 ez clone misters....$25
5 Micron Filter from Home Depot...$25
Tubing/PVC....$10
2 air pumps + 2 air stones to oxygenate the water build up in bottom of rez....$40
15 minute interval timer from walmart...$10

Total Cost of complete aeroponic system...$215

Production capabilities: With CO2 injection, starting from clones of an indica-dominant strain, going into12/12 immediately after root development, with 20 plants:

Average production....18 OZ

Maintenence:

Filter replacement: Requires replacing about once per month @ $8 per filter.
Pump replacement: Hydrofarm models come with 1 year warranty, and they usually last longer than that.
Water: Never replace water, simply refill and check pH/ppm on a daily basis.
Misters: Never clog as long as filter is replaced once per month.

Build time: 2 hours.

So, in the end, you can produce a system in a couple of hours, for around 200 bucks, that requires very little daily maintenence or replacement parts, and can produce close to an ouce per plant in a SOG style set up.

Now let's hear some numbers from other HP or LP aero set ups.

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glad you stopped by. therss no doudt that LP aero can turn out the numbers anyone whos run them knows they are real producers and can do it inexpensively. Years ago i ran LP aero trees and i averaged 2 per 1K with a 3 week veg under lower watts so i know the aero can put out some good numbers. i have never run sog which i understand is more productive but i dont like to have numbers. I have never done a HP aero run so i cant tell you the difference yet but that is why im going to try it and see.

the building and trying are a hobby, so if someones not into that its not going to seem like it would be worth the expense and complication. Although its not that complicated and really not that much more expensive than the LP aero i built. Even though a person can use some tubs and mag drive pumps with EZ clone sprayers and get good results i have never done that.(except for cloners) the reason why is they wouldnt support the large trees and thats all im really interested in working with. Hell Im not even sure HP aero will support large trees but would like to find out.

tree farmer said:

I dont really get this guys email. it sounds like he just wants to sell a nozzel with the shutoff option. i dont see how it can be hard to control on/off, if you have gravity feeding the nozzel and you have a seleniod valve in the line to the nozzel. If you slam the selenoid down its going to turn off the flow stopping the nozzel. you can have the air line on a selenoid and the gravity feed line on a selenoid that work together triggered by the cycle timer.

the only problem i can see is if the nozzel isnt designed to work with just the head pressure of the gravity feed.( which i think is like approx. 14psi depending on the hieght of the water column but you might have to calculate the head pressure for a given set of parameters), id have to look.

If i build one of these i would use a pressure feed nozzel rather than a siphon or gravity for the solution as well as the air line. i think it gives you the ability to control the atomization better and doesnt really add that much complexity to the system because the pressures needed to drive the pressure feed nozzels is only in the 40-60psi range and thats easy and relatively inexpensive to use that equipment.

Gravity would be nice if a nozzel can be found to work properly that way. if the Atomix siphoned the solution to the nozzel i dont see why gravity shouldnt work.

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I think he was just trying for the bigger sell. The nozzle type he was trying to sell is at the top of the price range. I think it is just a matter of ethics that convinced him to basicaaly say well yeah the cheaper one would work fine "but" the more expensive one is better as the cheaper one would need a shut off valve. I bet it hurt to write that as it was basically just throwing awaty the chance of a higher priced sell just to not compomise his better ethics. I am all for better business ethics.

My feelings are also that, "why rent a uhaul moving van simply to return a book to the library." The $175 valve with a couple solenoid valve sounds fine at 1/4 theprice. Even the commercial model used solenoid valves so it is doubt fo ul there valves were no beter than the $175 valve. I don' think there nutrients were pressure fed. Just gravity fed with ato imed solenoid valve. The control available just by changing the head and the air pressures should be pretty good as the spray cone varies alot with the different heads and pressures.

Atomizer said:

The orange pin protrudes about 4mm under pressure. Mounting a switch isn`t too bad as the nozzles are a fair way from the base fitting with all the bits and pieces. The microswitch can be mounted on some plastic angle fixed to the main supply pipework above the nozzle and adjusted so the switch lever rests against the pin. I`ll have 16 adv`s feeding 40 nozzles so that should make it a little easier.

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forty nozzels what is the size of the vertical.

what are the advantages of these hp systems? i just stummbled across this thread and this my first time hearing of this system. how does hp aero compare to Aero/Nft hybrid systems ? any info is appreciated

great looking systems btw. looks awesome. do you have pics of your plants?