My first good harvest... Time for the final flush?

You think the words chemicals or synthetics have a bad stigma to it but they don't.

The only purpose flushing at harvest time has is wasting extra gallons of water and giving you the comforting feeling that you'll have white ash when you smoke

mollymcgrammar said:

Anyway seems like the consensus is that a final flush is a waste of water huh?

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If its yellow let it mellow if its brown flush it down. Here is an idea.When I was on ships at sea. A seed was placed in fiberglass insulation.It grew to the height of over a foot with about 5 or 6 nodes before it was found by some navy person and removed .I know I wasnt the only person using that head. but you might want to expand your growing media horizons ,coffee beans, packaging peanuts .safety glass collected from busy intersections after a long weekend come to mind .Wear a Hi visibility vest should you try the latter .Can you use coke a cola instead of water ?

PsicloneX said:

If its yellow let it mellow if its brown flush it down. Here is an idea.When I was on ships at sea. A seed was placed in fiberglass insulation.It grew to the height of over a foot with about 5 or 6 nodes before it was found by some navy person and removed .I know I wasnt the only person using that head. but you might want to expand your growing media horizons ,coffee beans, packaging peanuts .safety glass collected from busy intersections after a long weekend come to mind .Wear a Hi visibility vest should you try the latter .Can you use coke a cola instead of water ?

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Why is that people feel the need to be smartasses?

Also, Coca-Cola is fucking poison. I wont drink it, and i damn sure wouldn't use it on a plant.

Coffee beans aren't too farfetched, ive used coffee grounds in a soil mix before (not weed).

Rascality Afoot said:

I strongly disagree. I recommend everyone reads into this and decide for themselves. Ed, Jorge, and Soma are very clever, and brough grow knowledge to the public, but new info has come to light. After reading into both sides of the argument, I no longer flush. Sometimes I do just for the color change, but it is a symptom of a nutrient deficient plant, and I do it strictly for esthetic reasons.

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I read a few articles by kyle Kushman and James Loud from loud seeds that are emphatic about flushin. So if you guys dont want to flush well good for you!
But im telling OP to not listen to everyone on these forums because more than half of you guys like to mess with new growers and laugh at them when they fail. But good for you if you want to smoke harsh ass weed but op should make up his own mind.

Does the flush really make your ash white? I thought that was proper curing?

My previous grows usually produced black ash, but ive noticed the ones that cured for longer were usually lighter ashed

hellmutt bones said:

I read a few articles by kyle Kushman and James Loud from loud seeds that are emphatic about flushin. So if you guys dont want to flush well good for you!
But im telling OP to not listen to everyone on these forums because more than half of you guys like to mess with new growers and laugh at them when they fail. But good for you if you want to smoke harsh ass weed but op should make up his own mind.

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Exactly. He should make up his own mind. I simply added my point of view. I respect that you choose to sacrifice a small portion your yield in order to ensure you get quality. You clearly take the quality of your smoke ferry serious, and I am sure that your cannabis is excellent as a result of this attitude. In this case however, I disagree with you. I encouraged the poster to do their own research and come to their own conclusion. Also, Haven't encountered many people on here trying to mislead new growers. That's why I like rollitup. Finally, to assume that my cannabis is harsh smoke is just plain arrogant and it's a bad look. I was on the flushing bandwagon for years. I've been testing the difference for years, and have noticed no difference in quality. So we disagree on this. So what? Let's be bros, and let the new guy look into it for himself. Then we all can learn together and sh*t

hellmutt bones said:

I read a few articles by kyle Kushman and James Loud from loud seeds that are emphatic about flushin. So if you guys dont want to flush well good for you!
But im telling OP to not listen to everyone on these forums because more than half of you guys like to mess with new growers and laugh at them when they fail. But good for you if you want to smoke harsh ass weed but op should make up his own mind.

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The thing is that you didn't help the new guy either. You threw out some names. That is about it. So can you tell us the benefits if this flush or how it works in making my smoke better? How much of the nutrients do I actually remove with a flush? Have you tried this before with one flushed and one not flushed to see the difference? new grower too so an explanation would be nice.

Rascality Afoot said:

Exactly. He should make up his own mind. I simply added my point of view. I respect that you choose to sacrifice a small portion your yield in order to ensure you get quality. You clearly take the quality of your smoke ferry serious, and I am sure that your cannabis is excellent as a result of this attitude. In this case however, I disagree with you. I encouraged the poster to do their own research and come to their own conclusion. Also, Haven't encountered many people on here trying to mislead new growers. That's why I like rollitup. Finally, to assume that my cannabis is harsh smoke is just plain arrogant and it's a bad look. I was on the flushing bandwagon for years. I've been testing the difference for years, and have noticed no difference in quality. So we disagree on this. So what? Let's be bros, and let the new guy look into it for himself. Then we all can learn together and sh*t

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Sorry for being a bit of a know it all actually i really dont now much exept for the test i did on tomatoes and i came to the conclusion that the flushed ones tasted Way better. But havent done any comparisn on cannabis yet.

hellmutt bones said:

Sorry for being a bit of a know it all actually i really dont now much exept for the test i did on tomatoes and i came to the conclusion that the flushed ones tasted Way better. But havent done any comparisn on cannabis yet.

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It's coool man. Some of the best minds in the game prefer to flush. Some of the best minds in the game don't.

Ahem. As the OP, for all those involved, I have long decided to do a minimum one week flush. I plan to start somewhere in the two week area, with a light nutrient and slowly(or quickly) ween it off. Before I harvest I want to see some mild yellowing around the bottom. I'm fairly novice and I want to try out techniques that interest me first and then I will most likely give little to no flush for my next grow which I'll likely start right after this harvest and drying process since I have to use the same room that I've been growing in. Also, I'm mostly just using this thread to get a timeline on how long my plants have left before my harvest window begins and ends. I'll be posting more pics sometime pretty soon.

As for research... I make sure to look at pictures of techniques as well as read their use and functions so that I can have a good idea to look for. For those that do not flush, I'd be interested in seeing some pictures of your plants just before harvest.

pseudobotanist said:

Enlighten us as to what it is exactly that you accomplish by depriving your plant of nutes in a time of need in its life cycle

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By depriving them of nutr. They eat themselves. Getting the most natural taste u possibly can.. On top of that as a last effort to procreate they dump every last bit of it into the buds themselves. I get the most growth outta my nugs at this time.. Not to mention it smokes and tastes soooo much better. But that's just my opinion


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hellmutt bones said:

I read a few articles by kyle Kushman and James Loud from loud seeds that are emphatic about flushin. So if you guys dont want to flush well good for you!
But im telling OP to not listen to everyone on these forums because more than half of you guys like to mess with new growers and laugh at them when they fail. But good for you if you want to smoke harsh ass weed but op should make up his own mind.

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Kushman has gone organic! He doesn't flush anymore!
It's an old hippie myth handed down for decades.....
Science trumps myth....
You tried it with a tomato? and you still thought it was better? LMFAO,, YOU LIE!
Another one who should dry up and blow away!

Doc

From experience.....WAIT it out. patience. Those look like 3 to 4 weeks development minimum. Biggest mistake I made with my first good harvest was cutting of nutrients too early for flush. As others have stated flushing may not even make a difference. Ive smoked flushed and non and they were both smooth and tasty. What is important is the final weeks of flower. Most of the weight is put on here. Starving your girls to flush at this time is not good. I wait another week or so and flush after my plants are fully mature. As for trichomes....eh! I just wait till the pistils all receed back into calyxes and buds turn amberish.

Pics as promised. up close pics seemed to get my best responses so ill stick with them for now.

I want to say they are swelling up nicely? They look gorgeous to me but wtf do I know. Any honest opinions would be nice, as well as of course, continued advice on the timing. I am reading every post even if I'm not replying to all of them. Thank you all for your help so far.

Dr. Who said:

Kushman has gone organic! He doesn't flush anymore!
It's an old hippie myth handed down for decades.....
Science trumps myth....
You tried it with a tomato? and you still thought it was better? LMFAO,, YOU LIE!
Another one who should dry up and blow away!

Doc

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Yes he still flushes.

Gonna start a new thread, since this topic doesn't quite cover it anymore. Plus seems like it might by dying off.

Dr. Who said:

Kushman has gone organic! He doesn't flush anymore!
It's an old hippie myth handed down for decades.....
Science trumps myth....
You tried it with a tomato? and you still thought it was better? LMFAO,, YOU LIE!
Another one who should dry up and blow away!

Doc

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But so and so's grow book says to always flush! LOL

I'm not sure that science does trump myth when ego is involved. I think it is hard for people to admit they don't know anything about drying and curing correctly, which is the only possible explanation for how they are getting better tasting bud with flushing.

Bugeye said:

But so and so's grow book says to always flush! LOL

I'm not sure that science does trump myth when ego is involved. I think it is hard for people to admit they don't know anything about drying and curing correctly, which is the only possible explanation for how they are getting better tasting bud with flushing.

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It's at the point where it's not funny anymore - and at the same time,,,It IS!

I can not understand the idea of simply having total faith in author X, Y or Z, simply because they wrote a book on the subject..
To quote a "magzine" growing god really gets my fur up.....These guys are just like the rest of us longtime growers!
It's just that some of us question the status quo. We look for the truth and, sometimes,,,find it!

You know what? I should write that book on growing so many say I should.....I would have things I would make a mistake on and even be wrong on too, I'm sure......I guess the point would be everyone would now consider me a "god" and I'm speaking the "gospel"......So when the topic of the things I got wrong came up.....I would have my blind backers too. All the while I would be taking it to the bank and not looking back!

What are you going to do? Admit that you made a mistake or (god forbid) that you were wrong? Think about it a minute.
If YOU wrote a book (or books) that say "Flush" and you at one point find out you were wrong. Do you actually admit it and take the hit? Will your book sales go down? Come on, these guys MAKE their real money off these books and speaking engagements....

Funny thing is....Ed R knows that flushing doesn't work - He quit spouting that some time back (at least in his book writing - I don't follow his web page)......The subject is not commented on in his Oaksterdam "textbook" ! Is that his way of reversing his past views?

Now here is a question looking for an answer!

Does the "great" Oaksterdam "University" teach "Flushing"?

AND,,,,,no matter the answer! WHY?

Doc