More Info On Molasses

Discussion in 'General Marijuana Growing' started by videoman40, Mar 5, 2007.

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    videoman40

    videoman40 New Member

    Hey everyone, I started to utilize molasses on my grow recently.
    It was highly advised to me by a very compotent grower, who loves organics.
    As such I have been doing some research on it and came up with this, and, of course wanted to pass this on to everyone. I found this interesting.
    This is from high times.
    We did an experiment about 10 years ago and found that buds swell about 20% when sugar is added to irrigation water during the last four weeks of flowering. The sugar could also be enhanced with other flavors, but the flavors don't always come through as a notable taste when the weed is smoked.
    Credits:
    http://www.hightimes.com/ht/grow/content.php?bid=447&aid=3

    PS, I was advised to use molosses every other week throughout the flowering cycle
    (For what it's worth)

    I wanted to clarify that when they talk of "sugars" they are talking about molasses, not table sugar, this is NOT the same thing.
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    hearmenow

    hearmenow Well-Known Member

    Good link. Thanks.
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    green_nobody

    green_nobody Well-Known Member

    sweet, really videoman, so you tried it also, right? how did it turn out?:)
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    davidames

    davidames Active Member

    So what do you do, dissolve the molasses into water or put on the soil?
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    videoman40

    videoman40 New Member

    Yeah Green Nobody, I am using it right now, and the plants smell awesome!
    David, mix about 2 tablespoons per gallon of water, stir it up, and use it.
    Looks like ice tea. lol
    Peace.
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    davidames

    davidames Active Member

    good shit man....think it'll do anything this far along, 67 days?....
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    videoman40

    videoman40 New Member

    How much longer to go? It certainly can't hurt them, and probably help the flavor some too.
    Do you have a glass to check the trichomes?
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    davidames

    davidames Active Member

    tryin to get my hands on a glass, like i said this is all experiment, the plant is huge though, i thought i'd be done at 8 weeks, im glad i didnt stop there though, its really heavy now. alot of the big leaves on top are turning a dark purple, i've seen this in pics before, u know what that's about?
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    david shelden

    david shelden Active Member

    how much molasses would go into a liter of water?
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    VictorVIcious

    VictorVIcious Well-Known Member

    3.8 liters equal one gallon, do the math.
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    purplegorillas

    purplegorillas Active Member

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    videoman40

    videoman40 New Member

    the last 2 weeks now.
    (this is added later) although the article on high times advises on utilizing molasses only the last 4 weeks,
    studies show that using molasses throughout the entire grow is very helpful.
    Maybe once a week, or every other week thru flowering.
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    mexiblunt

    mexiblunt Well-Known Member

    Hello everybody, It's true!!! I read a looooong..... real long article about mollasses. It's done by Three little birds (TLB). I've seen it on a bunch of diff grow sites, it's somewhere on rolitup as well.

    The picture in my avatar was grown in compost/per/ver. It was our second or third round of clones when we learned of the mollasses trick. Results Righton bout 20% fatter buds then the previous ones, smelled better tasted better, more sticky. I'm sold.

    Video! the only thing I still don't know about it is what does it do to ph?.

    I test my ph with a pool type color change tester so I made a weak mix of mollasses with neutral ph water so I could maybe test what it did to ph since the mollasses changes water color.

    With neutral ph water it seems molasses brings the ph down?a fair bit at a full dosage 2 tblsp per gallon it's imposible for me to tell what my ph is at or if it matters with mollasses?

    Would like to know if I've been running low ph. Ishould get a real tester so I can check soil ph or ever soil run off ph but even that's colored.

    Ne help would be great cause i've learnt alot this last 8 months and this organic stuff looks intesting and yet complicated. I have had some great succes but don't always know why and or if it could get better!!!! friends anyone (wink)(wink) lol
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    mogie

    mogie Well-Known Member

    I was told by the Ganja Gods that be molasses adds extra sugar needed during flowering. It is especially needed during the fourth week thru seventh weeks.
    It is at those times (bud production) that the extra energy is needed. It also mellows the taste and adds a slightly sweet flavor. This is straight from my ganja god otherwise known as son of chong.
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    TillthedayiDIE420

    TillthedayiDIE420 Well-Known Member

    Yo videoman, your saying add the two table spoons of M... in your last 4 weeks of FLower when you normaly flush and feed only water... im going to try this one out :) thanks bud
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    mogie

    mogie Well-Known Member

    Actually it is only at it's most useful weeks four thru seven. Use after that is more or less a waste. The plant no longer is capable of absorbing it after that point.
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    videoman40

    videoman40 New Member

    Well here ya go... (3LB = 3 little birds, a well known group from OG/CW)

    Sweet Organic Goodness - Magical Molasses
    There are a number of different nutrient and fertilizer companies selling a variety of additives billed as carbohydrate booster products for plants. Usually retailing for tens of dollars per gallon if not tens of dollars per liter, these products usually claim to work as a carbohydrate source for plants. A variety of benefits are supposed to be unlocked by the use of these products, including the relief of plant stresses and increases in the rate of nutrient uptake. On the surface it sounds real good, and while these kinds of products almost always base their claims in enough science to sound good, reality doesn’t always live up to the hype.

    The 3LB are pretty well known for our distrust of nutrient companies like Advanced Nutrients who produce large lines of products (usually with large accompanying price tags) claiming to be a series of “magic bullets” - unlocking the keys to growing success for new and experienced growers alike. One member of the three_little_birds grower’s and breeder’s collective decided to sample one of these products a while back, intending to give the product a fair trial and then report on the results to the community at Cannabis World.

    Imagine, if you will, Tweetie bird flying off to the local hydroponics store, purchasing a bottle of the wonder product - “Super Plant Carb!” (not it’s real name) - and then dragging it back to the bird’s nest. With a sense of expectation our lil’ bird opens the lid, hoping to take a peek and a whiff of this new (and expensive) goodie for our wonderful plants. She is greeted with a familiar sweet smell that it takes a moment to place. Then the realization hits her. . .

    Molasses! The “Super Plant Carb!” smells just like Blackstrap Molasses. At the thought that she’s just paid something like $15 for a liter of molasses, our Tweetie bird scowls. Surely she tells herself there must be more to this product than just molasses. So she dips a wing into the sweet juice ever so slightly, and brings it up to have a taste.

    Much the same way a sneaky Sylvester cat is exposed by a little yellow bird saying - “I thought I saw a puddy tat . . . I did I did see a puddy tat . . . and he’s standing right there!” - our Tweetie bird had discovered the essence of this product. It was indeed nothing more than Blackstrap Molasses, a quick taste had conformed for our Tweetie bird that she had wasted her time and effort lugging home a very expensive bottle of plant food additive. Molasses is something we already use for gardening at the Bird’s Nest. In fact sweeteners like molasses have long been a part of the arsenal of common products used by organic gardeners to bring greater health to their soils and plants.

    So please listen to the little yellow bird when she chirps, because our Tweetie bird knows her stuff. The fertilizer companies are like the bumbling Sylvester in many ways, but rather than picturing themselves stuffed with a little bird, they see themselves growing fat with huge profits from the wallets of unsuspecting consumers. Let us assure you it’s not the vision of yellow feathers floating in front of their stuffed mouths that led these executives in their attempt to “pounce” on the plant growing public.

    And the repackaging of molasses as plant food or plant additive is not just limited to the companies selling their products in hydroponic stores. Folks shopping at places like Wal-Mart are just as likely to be taken in by this tactic. In this particular case the offending party is Schultz® Garden Safe All Purpose Liquid Plant Food 3-1-5. This is a relatively inexpensive product that seems appealing to a variety of organic gardeners. Here’s Shultz own description of their product.

    “Garden Safe Liquid Plant Foods are made from plants in a patented technology that provides plants with essential nutrients for beautiful flowers and foliage and no offensive smell. Plus they improve soils by enhancing natural microbial activity. Great for all vegetables, herbs, flowers, trees, shrubs and houseplants including roses, tomatoes, fruits, and lawns. Derived from completely natural ingredients, Garden Safe All Purpose Liquid Plant Food feeds plants and invigorates soil microbial activity. Made from sugar beet roots! No offensive manure or fish odors.”

    That sure sounds good, and the three_little_birds will even go as far as to say we agree 100% with all the claims made in that little blurb of ad copy. But here’s the problem, Shultz isn’t exactly telling the public that the bottle of “fertilizer” they are buying is nothing more than a waste product derived from the production of sugar. In fact, Schultz® Garden Safe 3-1-5 Liquid Plant Food is really and truly nothing more than a form molasses derived from sugar beet processing that is usually used as an animal feed sweetener. If you don’t believe a band of birds, go ahead and look for yourself at the fine print on a Garden Safe bottle where it says - “Contains 3.0% Water Soluble Nitrogen, 1.0% Available Phosphate, 5.0% Soluble Potash - derived from molasses.”

    The only problem we see, is that animal feed additives shouldn’t be retailing for $7.95 a quart, and that’s the price Shultz is charging for it’s Garden Safe product. While we don’t find that quite as offensive as Advanced Nutrients selling their “CarboLoad” product for $14.00 a liter, we still know that it’s terribly overpriced for sugar processing wastes. So, just as our band of birds gave the scoop on poop in our Guano Guide, we’re now about to give folks the sweet truth about molasses.

    (Also, do your own research on this, but molasses can be used for organic pest control too)
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    Godkas

    Godkas Well-Known Member

    Heh yeah I've been reading up on this too. Trying to figure out ways to make CFL grown buds denser. I have recently found local black strap molasses :) I believe I will be visiting them shortly :D
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    mexiblunt

    mexiblunt Well-Known Member

    That's the article:joint: I agree that it bennefets the plant mostly in the last few weeks of flower, but I also read that if your using organic medium or "live" medium that a feeding of mollasses every 1-2 weeks not only feeds your plants but also gets your mirco organism stuff going.I guess there is many ways of doing this? organic ferts etc.

    I don't know alot about this but like I posted earlyier I grew a bunch of the same size strain clones in a compost/per/ver mix and the last 1 we tried mollasses and it really showed.


    Ne info on the ph issue?
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    TillthedayiDIE420

    TillthedayiDIE420 Well-Known Member


    to make CFL buds denser, you need more CFL's 40w that = 150w , four using fluro's i would rather use those 300w fluro's nlites USA | Products | Compact Fluorescent Lamps

    but you just need like 5+ per plant.. last year i CFL grew, i used 10 CFL's per plant. i only grew 2 plants but i had my closet with 20 CFL's during flower, i only used like 5 or less during veg. But thats if you want More dense buds, i have the same or even more then 400 HPS... but under a 400watt HPS the buds are tight and resin covered just compaired to the cfl grow... even using 20 10x per plant 2 plants. But the CFL buds tasted the same and got me almost as high no difference really it was the same strain. just less Crystal and resin.

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