Looking for Fellow Thinkers

Count me in and as mystifiedbongs said: I'm all ears.

I have always wanted to live off the grid ... but it seems so undoable for me .. I have a wife , kids , animals , a home thats payed for, a 20 yr. career , and tons of responscibility . I think thats why I dream of self sufficancy and no bills .... lol ... but in reality I know what happened to the hippie comunes with the earlier post being correct . There would be 10 percent doing all the work and 90 percent sitting on thier asses staying stoned and enjoying the fruits of the 10 percent . Figure a way around this and you may have something ... if not your doomed to just repeat history.....

so true so true....

Jeffdt1966 said:

I have always wanted to live off the grid ... but it seems so undoable for me .. I have a wife , kids , animals , a home thats payed for, a 20 yr. career , and tons of responscibility . I think thats why I dream of self sufficancy and no bills .... lol ... but in reality I know what happened to the hippie comunes with the earlier post being correct . There would be 10 percent doing all the work and 90 percent sitting on thier asses staying stoned and enjoying the fruits of the 10 percent . Figure a way around this and you may have something ... if not your doomed to just repeat history.....

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the carrot thing, i think thats funny that would have to wave motivation in front of somebodys face in order for them to want to change things. those kind of individuals i feel wouldnt be a big help anywho. i mean having to have something other than the urge to change the way the current state of the world is, to motivate you to do what you feel is right, is lazy. and greedy. i mean, i can see the hypocrisys in the world we live in. i can see the many problems we have. just yesterday i read an article about a couple getting fined 96,000$ for selling more than $500 dollars worth of RABBITS in a year. yes gentlemen, selling more than $500 worth of rabbits a year is AGAINST our LAW. now if something like this doesnt give you the motivation to chnge things. then you my friend should find anouther thread.
we have a harmless plant illegalized, which was illegalized when racism was a big thing, so its kinda one ofthose "the nigs and spics smoke that shit, not us white folk. ILLEGALIZE IT." true story, do yer research.
YET tabacco. LEGAL.. ALcohol. LEGAL. addictive, highly lethal, opiates get sold legally thru the big pharmacuetical companys. but pot. ILLEGAL. ugh. so fed up ith this and sorry to rant on yer thread but FUCK people need to wake up and grow some balls. im tired of our government saying we're in control when in truth only the rich run this country.

the only reason history repeated itself is becuase hate is perpetuated and love is ignored we are fixated in the set system, we thrive off dysfunction and ignorance, offer a difference to the schematic with empathy and compassion, overlooking all the past mistakes and acknowledging that a difference can be made, any moment of the day, everyday we awake, we can choose to take and make a different path, it is the comfort we have set ourselves in that hinder our ability to make the change that is necessary, controlled by fear unwilling to make the difference. though i do not hate those that are misguided i am simply here to make light of the possibility and help those that seek help

am all ears friend, as long as i don't have to move

i think in all seriousness, your not going to find verymuch seriousness here. lol. talk is one thing, and for those who dont have this concept burning deep within there hearts, there most likely just here to hear. to listen, to merely observe, perhaps contemplate, but in the end, they will do nothing. for this doesnt bother them like it might bother us. this is why things dont change. some of us have this burning inside, others have ' more important' shit to do. <- this statement not meant to degrade this thread, just not everyone is in a position to take a stance. most are in a position of either sitting on there ass, or ass up in the air hold there ankles saying... its not that bad....

i'd rather be the dick or the asshole, than a vagina.

@gfreeman what you are attempting to convey is not really getting across, i understand what you mean but as that is not going to help this argument/debate i am not looking for those that want to debate or argue just that want a change to occur and are willing to shape it and be a part of that change, there is no need to be vulgar or to demean anyone.

We are all misguided, it is a result of the world we have created and perpetuate in a time in which we were created, our existence is one to behold not to take for granted.

You can believe in 'the end' and hope for a brighter day but when all is said and done don't you want to look back and smile and feel the accomplishments you were a part of?
embrace hope to create a change not hope for others to do what you want, we are all a part of this world, it can be the demise of us all or a utopia (use your imagination) We are the ones that shape what outcome we hope and wish for.

Michael Sparks said:

WOW..this was not a tread looking for cynical individuals. I appreciate those of you that have replied in seriousness I'd stated that those would mock and joke, I am serious and perturbed by the lack of seriousness and the flagrant disrespect, to be honest and true with yourselves is not difficult, i mean who the hell do you have to impress anyway you are behind a computer, and unless you are like Ernst or Kevin Murphy that reveal their identity, no one knows who you are, so be fair and true to yourself.
I see the world being destroyed around us all and we (as a whole) just perpetuate this destruction fueled by greed and ignorance for a fiat money system.. i believe in herb and healing (that is the main reason why i got involved in this forum), those of you that are knowledgeable in growing and learning are whom i am looking to commit to such an experience, I do not need those that are distracted but their own greed, I welcome everyone, as growth is possible for everyone if one is willing to commit to growing for the good and not for thy self. so prior to replying think deeply, concentrate and reflect as to what you mean to say not what attention you hope to get.

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I have three examples for you:

1. Reverend Jim Jones and the "Guyana Tragedy"
2. Heaven's Gate
3. Waco, Texas

Anyone that decides in an anonymous online forum to give up everything and follow an anonymous online poster strictly on what he says? Is a fool. And don't use that word lightly. Only a fool would put themselves in such a situation.

I'm sorry if you feel that those who challenge your worldview are trolls. There are far too many examples of similar ideologies ending in terrible tragedy. Isolationist communities are not the answer. That has been proven throughout history.

If you want to make a change then start in your neighborhood. Go green. Grow your own. Even urban environments can be transformed into lush rooftop gardens or empty lot gardens, even window box gardens. There are multiple examples that are available to anyone. I have been growing my own vegetables and herbs since childhood. Comes from a Mormon upbringing.

There are plenty of ways of "going off the grid" without actually living in a Yurt with an outhouse for a bathroom. That way you can be an example to your neighbors and help the environment.

Call me a cynic if you like but I really get suspicious of anyone that tries to recruit others to give up everything and move to the sticks. That kind of action requires sacrifice and in most cases there is no going back. Especially when you spend your life savings in a scheme that never pans out.

What are you going to do for these people that follow you when it doesn't work out? Throw them to the wolves (hopefully not literally)? It's going to cost a lot to set up a system like that. Where is the money coming from? Oh wait... that's why you need followers.

No thanks. I'll continue to make changes where I am now. Several of my neighbors have followed suit and are growing their own herbs and vegetables. Hell, one of them even has a Llama to harvest their own wool to make clothes. It's the cutest damn thing.

im not trying to argue. perhaps debate. but vulgar, i apoligize.

i just feel passionately about the state of things, and i get where your coming from. i just dont think being a passive optimist will help. these things will not change until we take a stand. and by stand i mean getting up and doing something.

I feel like although there are lots of people who want this. no one has the passion or will power to actually do anything about it. and those who do get looked down upon for being different. for wanting change. like your signiture says, at first its blasphemy.

but then again what are you trying to convey? that we should join together and do something? but what? what is there to do that hasnt been done already? perhaps take a different approach to educate? i mean in a society that cares little about its education, its children, its future, how on earth will e be able to convince the masses of change?

perhaps we should just buy some land, build a compound, grow our on food and educate our youth the way we think is right? ofcoarse doing this on US soil will be hard. especially if you want your beloved buddha there. i think change starts instead from the top down from the bottom up. we need people to understand that our government is doing it wrong. that the administration needs a overhaul. until then being anything other than a silent activist is ill advised.

gfreeman said:

i just feel passionately about the state of things, and i get where your coming from. i just dont think being a passive optimist will help. these things will not change until we take a stand. and by stand i mean getting up and doing something.

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As do i, which is the basis of starting this thread. however only positive change can occur when a calm relaxed demeanor is conscientiously practiced.

gfreeman said:

but then again what are you trying to convey? that we should join together and do something? but what? what is there to do that hasnt been done already? perhaps take a different approach to educate? i mean in a society that cares little about its education, its children, its future, how on earth will e be able to convince the masses of change?

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Well, what i hope is inferred from this is, thinking that we are all able to do something, we all have special abilities and we are all able to learn new skills and to teach what we know. What hasn't been continued is to commit to such a change that is beneficial to all involved, there needs to be a reform of many things in today's world but i am not trying to change the world only to put somethings in perspective that most weren't pondering upon previously, the society we are all a part of is greedy too much that is capitalistic in nature is commonplace and it ultimately separates us.

gfreeman said:

perhaps we should just buy some land, build a compound, grow our on food and educate our youth the way we think is right? ofcoarse doing this on US soil will be hard. especially if you want your beloved buddha there. i think change starts instead from the top down from the bottom up. we need people to understand that our government is doing it wrong. that the administration needs a overhaul. until then being anything other than a silent activist is ill advised.

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Land is all around, doing so in the u.s. wouldn't be difficult (although i am not opposed to outside the states)
if i suppose i was concerned about the fictitious laws regarding herb and plants then perhaps i would take that into consideration.
we are all able to wake up and do something different everyday in every moment.


i couldn't agree more, you hit on a lot key points +rep

I'm all for it. Like I said I got skills. I'm also a thinker. I was thinking that a mutli-faceted power generation with battery supply would work. Liek they said don't go all cult and it's good. it should use tech to create society and reject the bullshit. Man doesn't need hate to meet the 4th kingdom. I'm currently building an exercise bike from salvaged alternators and reversed electric motors to built a power generating winter exercise tool.

Also there are laws about small houses that can avoid corporate taxes designed to create yesterday's housing mzarket inflation bubble (and tommorows college loan bubble).

These involve mobile homes/small houses. One can be legal, pay taxes and stay off the grid.

sacrifice is love. Voluntary is optional.

like that so true....

euthanatos93420 said:

sacrifice is love. Voluntary is optional.

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ok so some one needs to let me know exactly where this tread is going am lost

hah i was kind of interested, but all the comments are so offputting
pce bro good luck,

Michael Sparks said:

I am trying to find people interested in forming a tight knit group of like minded thinkers, those that are inspired to do and create, willingness to come together and work as a team would be a key component to succeeding at whatever the collective focus may be, experience in varying fields would be helpful but not required, passion for learning and growing is expected. In addition the drive to positively motivate others when distracted. Not to forget the ability to have fun and be social and ease into such a setting, willingness to shed the social disorders created by society and be the self that was long forgotten of undiscovered.

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Sounds like you wanna play Dungeons and Dragons. I'll be the bearded female dwarf berserker with Tourettes. And we're gonna be playing nothing newer than second edition. Roll a D20!

A friend and a bunch of his buddies hit on a plan that seems to be working. One guy owns 11 acres east of LA that he made available to his friends. It has a small home, a good well, generators and tanks kept full of diesel and gas. Several acres are devoted to gardens. There's a shop where members pursue various hobbies/projects. There's food enough stored to keep a dozen old farts(the members are mostly retired and in their 60's) fed for more than a year. They also all own weapons and have stored a LOT of ammunition. Orange County deputies tend to visit a lot because they enjoy the conversation. The central idea is, this is a safe haven if the shit hits the fan.

This works because all the participants have money, and nobody is required to do more than they want. These guys all WANT to do what they're doing.

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Nobody has to "pay dues", ot accept the authority of a "leader".

This is very relevant to my interests. Send me a PM with more detail's if you'd like. I may not get around to checking this thread again due to the likelyhood of hater's flaming it into nonexistence. This site has a LOT of quality grower's and information. But the atmosphere is a lot less serious than some. Hell, it's the internet so you can't expect much. Anyways, would love to hear from you.