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whitebb2727

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That was directed at church.

Is that pic supposed to knock rm3?

I see some pure Sativa's in there. Those grow lanky and have spear heads.

I've seen and I'm sure rm3 has better pics.

I don't have nothing against either person.


Just don't see the point of what church is doing.

Its a t5 thread. We all know hid produces more. That's not the point.

I would like to discuss our t5's without all the childish bs.
 

whitebb2727

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Honestly I don't understand all the animosity towards rm3.I don't agree with all his methods, so I don't use those in my personal grow. However I'm not a closed mind type of individual and will try some things for myself that make sense. I'll admit I've learned a few things from rm3. I think at some level everyone has some good info to pass along... The growing world would be a pretty blah place if we all used the exact same methods to grow the exact same plants. At least that's my take on it.

Church I've learned some good stuff from you as well, but this campaign of yours against rm3 just seems unreasonable at this point.
I agree.

What's up? You back around?
 

UncleBuck

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That was directed at church.

Is that pic supposed to knock rm3?

I see some pure Sativa's in there. Those grow lanky and have spear heads.

I've seen and I'm sure rm3 has better pics.

I don't have nothing against either person.


Just don't see the point of what church is doing.

Its a t5 thread. We all know hid produces more. That's not the point.

I would like to discuss our t5's without all the childish bs.
t5 is great for vegging newly rooted clones!
 

whitebb2727

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t5 is great for vegging newly rooted clones!
That statement is true.

They also flower good to. That pic I showed of the single cola is 18 inches or better and hard as a rock.

Hard nugs are genetics and temps.

Is t5 good for production growing? No, unless using them for clones and mothers and such.

For a small personal grow they are great.
 

ttystikk

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That statement is true.

They also flower good to. That pic I showed of the single cola is 18 inches or better and hard as a rock.

Hard nugs are genetics and temps.

Is t5 good for production growing? No, unless using them for clones and mothers and such.

For a small personal grow they are great.
Yep, I'm pretty sure I've said the very same things about @RM3 and the use of T5 lamps.
 

bravedave

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I take it you plan on upgrading your flowering lamps to actinic blue tubes?
Not "to" but with. My first year in my current room, I went beginning to end with the same MH. Improved yield every harvest, decent trichomes. Year 2 I switched in a new HPS 14 days into flower. Day 50 I switched back to the MH because of a noticable lack of trichomes in comparison to previous grows Since then I've added a 4bulb 4ft. T5 with blues and coral to the HPS and the trichs were brought up to the level I had come to expect from the straight MH. I have been running the same 2 strains into my third year. I know them. Please don't tell me I should believe you instead of my own eyes. Most other factors have been relatively static although I rule out almost nothing as being contributors because we are talking 2 years...not twenty. ;). image.jpg

My plants also do not smell much. The guy who got me started's grow reaks unbelievably...still same strains also. I attribute the lack of smell to my not adhering to the "dry them out, water, dry them out, water" mantra but keep my peat moist. AND being a minimalist with the nute qtys. Also have not been using bloom mutes. Aquagold is in my future, however. ;)
 

churchhaze

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I just digitized the spectrum of the GE LongLast 3000k 54W tube and found the LER to be roughly 361lm/W (374lm/W when truncated to PAR range)

The datasheet for the GE LongLast says tha the high output tubes have a luminous efficacy of source of 93lm/W.

http://www.gelighting.com/LightingWeb/emea/images/Linear_Flourescent_T5_LongLast_Lamps_Data_sheet_EN_tcm181-12831.pdf

That makes these tubes 25.8% efficient (24.9% efficient in PAR range)

A 600W HPS is about 35% efficient and has a way better spectrum for flowering than any T5.

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bravedave

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I just digitized the spectrum of the GE LongLast 3000k 54W tube and found the LER to be roughly 361lm/W (374lm/W when truncated to PAR range)

The datasheet for the GE LongLast says tha the high output tubes have a luminous efficacy of source of 93lm/W.

http://www.gelighting.com/LightingWeb/emea/images/Linear_Flourescent_T5_LongLast_Lamps_Data_sheet_EN_tcm181-12831.pdf

That makes these tubes 25.8% efficient (24.9% efficient in PAR range)

A 600W HPS is about 35% efficient and has a way better spectrum for flowering than any T5.
My HPS, like many it seems, is short on blues so i add some.
 

Slipup420

Member
Another concept I toyed with many years ago is photomorphogenesis.

I now say "screw it all", drop a seed in a pot of soil, plant it outdoors where it's meant to be and not worry about it.

I'm a simple man. :)
Exactly i stopped indoor all together only thing i do indoor is cuttings and veg once they get to big i repeat and cull
Undecided if i will post any pictures of big out door grow i own 600 hectares and do No Till on 10 acres ,, MJ grow
I spread 18 tons with straw mixture of cattle manure and other supplements as per soil tests done 2 times a year 500 plants 2500 - 3000 pounds harvests consistent who the hell needs indoor
Run on fully automatic on solar power SDI system
I use Barley as cover crop which the cattle shit out naturally the sees :) its a win win
Nothing will ever compete to the SUN here is one of baby girls untouched 4 weeks temps have been cold this plant was out side 2 degrees and 2 " tall lol look at her she is staying in secluded are just out back

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bravedave

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How many new growers didn't see the results of HPS because they instead bought expensive T5s?

And thanks for the luck with my "mission". If only others would intervene as well when you recommend 32 dollar T5 tubes to noobs. People would have already stopped listening to you.
Reading what @RM3 suggests has saved me money and soon will save me more in power usage. Sharing his experience is hardly forcing any noob to do anything. Sorry Church, Riddleme's even-keel approach to this forum is certainly more becoming than ...ummm...others.
 

Slab

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Thanks for the great reading guys,

Esp, the mid day depression or afternoon wilt as my Gramps would call it. Lazy ass mater plants sleeping in the afternoon :p
This would occur regardless of temp, I summized it to be linked to saturation and radiation .
Also have experienced 30-40 plants laying down at the 11th hour of a 12/12.
What I found funny was reading about 11:13 light schedule championed by DJ short years later and the fact that is was a blueberry cross still makes me chuckle.

I have smoked alchapulco and Columbia gold, witnessed its golden color '( 77 -78). Also have seen the same color on Moroccan buds that underwent a two year cure and a haze cross bud I found from a grow 5 years earlier from the gardener that had the space before me.
the boiling of the roots is how the farmers get on the golden path is what I have read.
They douse the root ball in a vat of boiling water.
I have also read that it is genetic , yet all the photos I see of the strain in veg look mighty green to me.

How did you come across your method with boiling water Riddle?
 
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