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st0wandgrow

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I've found that he's right about the stink. If your plants are happy, they won't stink much until you harvest them. One thing most growers do that practically guarantees stink is switching to bloom nutes when you flip them to 12\12. Wait three weeks & you'll have better results.
I run an organically amended soil, so bloom nutrients aren't in my repertoire

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What is true is that unhappy (not to be taken too literraly) plants tend to stink more. There are a lot of valid ways to back up his claim (read up on terpene emission and what affects it, given the right circumstances it can be reduced to very little). In nature it van vary a lot per season, suggesting a huge role for environmental factors. One could argue it's not always a good thing, more emission can mean an increased production too. His claim is more that a grow doesn't have to stink if you keep your plants happy, and that isn't bullshit, it lacks nuance. If you put your nose above or against a bud it will obviously still smell. If you take one plant out of it and put it in a different environment it will stink up a room on its own. Surely ymmv, I certainly wouldn't consider it a reason to stop using carbon filters.
The only thing I can think of would be temperature. I have come across info that suggests that certain terpenes are more volatile at higher temps. I've never run (what I consider to be) a hot flowering room though. My temps never exceed 80 degrees.... usually in the 75 degree range for lights on. I have switched up growing styles many times over the years, and I can't say that I've ever noticed any more/less stank, but if there is any credence to what he's saying, I'd have to believe that it's due to lower temps.

edit: I guess I take issue with the phrase "happy plants". Because a plant doesn't smell, does not equate to "happy" imo. A plant can be dialed in perfectly and still stink. I'd argue that most do.
 

Chunky Stool

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I run an organically amended soil, so bloom nutrients aren't in my repertoire

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The only thing I can think of would be temperature. I have come across info that suggests that certain terpenes are more volatile at higher temps. I've never run (what I consider to be) a hot flowering room though. My temps never exceed 80 degrees.... usually in the 75 degree range for lights on. I have switched up growing styles many times over the years, and I can't say that I've ever noticed any more/less stank, but if there is any credence to what he's saying, I'd have to believe that it's due to lower temps.

edit: I guess I take issue with the phrase "happy plants". Because a plant doesn't smell, does not equate to "happy" imo. A plant can be dialed in perfectly and still stink. I'd argue that most do.
I was skeptical too. I'm not saying there's zero smell, but it is easily managed with a jar of ona.
When my plants start getting stinky, it's my hint that something is wrong. Like a canary in a coal mine. I'm in week 5 of my current cycle and you'd never know by the smell of my garage.
 

st0wandgrow

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I was skeptical too. I'm not saying there's zero smell, but it is easily managed with a jar of ona.
When my plants start getting stinky, it's my hint that something is wrong. Like a canary in a coal mine. I'm in week 5 of my current cycle and you'd never know by the smell of my garage.
What have you changed with your grow? Lights? Nutrients? Temperature?
 

pookat

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I guess I take issue with the phrase "happy plants". Because a plant doesn't smell, does not equate to "happy" imo
I used to think i was doing something wrong when people said "your plants dont smell ", untill i found RIU and RM3's non smelly plants, never thought about them being Happy plants just contented no pampering lots of Blue / Uv light fairly mixed up spectrum- i found they made me Happy....but i stink??, So yeah i guess Happy plants are non smelly (also good to meditate with).
 

ttystikk

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I run an organically amended soil, so bloom nutrients aren't in my repertoire

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The only thing I can think of would be temperature. I have come across info that suggests that certain terpenes are more volatile at higher temps. I've never run (what I consider to be) a hot flowering room though. My temps never exceed 80 degrees.... usually in the 75 degree range for lights on. I have switched up growing styles many times over the years, and I can't say that I've ever noticed any more/less stank, but if there is any credence to what he's saying, I'd have to believe that it's due to lower temps.

edit: I guess I take issue with the phrase "happy plants". Because a plant doesn't smell, does not equate to "happy" imo. A plant can be dialed in perfectly and still stink. I'd argue that most do.
They don't stink. I think it has to do with low temperature, plenty of space so they aren't rubbing on each other, relatively cool temperatures, no breeze and very little radiated heat from the lights.
 

st0wandgrow

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They don't stink. I think it has to do with low temperature, plenty of space so they aren't rubbing on each other, relatively cool temperatures, no breeze and very little radiated heat from the lights.
That's the one argument that makes some sense (lower temps). I still don't believe that this means that the plants are any more/less "happy" though.
 

greasemonkeymann

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@RM3, you should post more in that 3500k vs 4000k vs 5000k thread and help correct @Sativied. He doesn't realize that blue produces frost and you need to go explain that to him! Explain to him the benefits of growing with unfiltered blacklights because sativied clearly doesn't subscribe to your nonsense (yet).
man... as a neutral BORED bystander, it is preeeeetty evident that you have a BIG ole hard-on for RM3,...
I mean you have a lot of extra energy to direct to somebody on the internet.
I am impressed.. and sorta wonder about it...
I think it's redirected love and affection.
sorta like what I used to do for my roomates yrs back..
i'd leave em a lil message of love.
and i'll be damned if they didn't appreciate it...
love.jpg
 

Sativied

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I disagree.
That has little value anymore to me. You disagreed too often for the sake of disagreeing, your strawman attempts are by definition fabricated for the sole purpose of disagreeing. Most normal reply I've seen from you in a while so let's give this a try.

We already had discussions about hps vs t5. It's no secret which I would recommend in general. I've also been clear in the led forums about the possible effects of blue that a lab test might show. I also explained why it would logically then still make sense to use the higher red and supplement with blue when and where needed once proven to be effective.

The difference between the effects of cool and warm color, and the tradeoff it appears to involve in certain situations, is not new or unfamilar for both hid (mh vs hps) and T5 growers. It's a fact you and others picked the blue cobs thinking they are more "efficient" and that has nothing to do with riddle's choice for T5. Every bit of possible advantage of blue will now be cherrypicked over every well known advantage of red. It's the type of stuff we used to troll together. The same reasoning for using PK boosters.

Above all, still plenty of blue in the for horticulture better suitable cobs. Essentially by pretending the relative amount of blue was my main argument, you post another elaborate strawman attack.

I haven't seen a cob led grow here yet that surpasses the best T5 grows I've seen over the past decade alone already. Just happens to be the case that the admin of the main dutch grow forums (replaced whazzup) is a big t5 fan. I'd pick led over T5 personally, but not how you use led. I don't know rm3's spectrum, I could probably suggest improvements if his goals was (to claim) energy efficiency and max gpw. In his case, not using his space to the limit tells me that is not his goal. Neither is running highest intensity. Sooner or later he and other T5 will switch to led tubes (strips) and then... well, see my posts and comments on the effect of total photosynthesis of a 3d plant instead of thinking net photosyntesis rates of a single leaf.

Blue light is much more absorbed and penetrates far less. At the same time, again see my posts about diffuse lighting, instead of causing photoinhibition at the top, riddles diffuse light from different angles... If you understand the research I posted and my replies on sts comments, or just sts' comments alone this should all be obvious. Whether he realizes it or not, riddle is in a way ahead of the led guys with the placement of his light sources.

I know you can grow a decent plant too, but let's be honest, the majority of the biggest led fans should spent time learning how to grow a plant, which riddle can help them with much better than most if not all of the led fans. If you were genuinely so concerned about noobs getting the right info, you'd be putting all this effort into teaching the led guys the basics they often so clearly miss.

Have a great weekend.
 

Sativied

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The only thing I can think of would be temperature. I have come across info that suggests that certain terpenes are more volatile at higher temps.
Even more volatile then they already are. A change in air pressure and wind can influence it too. Temp definitely plays a role, riddle runs high canopy temps" if I remember correctly higher than I do with hps.

Because a plant doesn't smell, does not equate to "happy" imo.
I agree. Additionally, happy does not necessarily equate to better. I don't think the phrase happy fits plants, they are bio-chemical factories to me. And from that point of view, they could stink more if something is not going optimal.

The only thing that gives certainty is measuring during the grow and that is hard in this case. Test samples of every week of the cycle, compared to a stinky amnesia haze grow, could perhaps give some insight.
 
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churchhaze

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man... as a neutral BORED bystander, it is preeeeetty evident that you have a BIG ole hard-on for RM3,...
I mean you have a lot of extra energy to direct to somebody on the internet.
I am impressed.. and sorta wonder about it...
I think it's redirected love and affection.
sorta like what I used to do for my roomates yrs back..
i'd leave em a lil message of love.
and i'll be damned if they didn't appreciate it...
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I take it you plan on upgrading your flowering lamps to actinic blue tubes?
 
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