Light ???

Another noob suckered into flowering with T5s.

churchhaze said:

Another noob suckered into flowering with T5s.

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Funny you think that, every one I know that flowers with T5's has better bud

It's kinda why we do it

RM3 said:

Funny you think that, every one I know that flowers with T5's has better bud

It's kinda why we do it

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Believe what you want to believe for your own grows, but what you're doing is misleading noobs.

MeDiHeRbMaN12 said:

I just started my own T5 GROW I can only hope I grow something as good as you

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Make sure to flush out the roots with boiling water when you're done. THC comes from the roots and boiling it causes it to rise to the buds.

churchhaze said:

Believe what you want to believe for your own grows, but what you're doing is misleading noobs.

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Only in your world my friend, I've helped more new growers get their grow on than you can imagine. Funny thing, new grower comes to my forum and has a great 1st grow every time, never gets trolled, never gets bad advice, ya see we don't do forum rhetoric or myths there. So yeah I drop in here every so often and spread a bit of truth, not my fault you can't see it ???

@DCobeen read my stuff and did a side by side wit T5's, CMH and HPS , the T5 herb was the best

Not my problem you can't wrap your head around it

RM3 said:

Only in your world my friend, I've helped more new growers get their grow on than you can imagine. Funny thing, new grower comes to my forum and has a great 1st grow every time, never gets trolled, never gets bad advice, ya see we don't do forum rhetoric or myths there. So yeah I drop in here every so often and spread a bit of truth, not my fault you can't see it ???

@DCobeen read my stuff and did a side by side wit T5's, CMH and HPS , the T5 herb was the best

Not my problem you can't wrap your head around it

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I've never seen the threads on your forum, but if your advice there is anything like your advice here, I disagree that you give good advice. On the contrary, I think you give very bad advice or I'd just let it slide without ever saying anything.

churchhaze said:

Make sure to flush out the roots with boiling water when you're done. THC comes from the roots and boiling it causes it to rise to the buds.

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Ill admit im not totally sold on the boiling thing,but I think rm3 makes some good points about plant quality and moderate intensity.Ill admit its not for everyone and a trade off like anything else.I think there are things to learn from a variety of grow styles.Experimentation is key,and not locking yourself in to a narrow veiw.

Resinhound said:

Ill admit im not totally sold on the boiling thing,but I think rm3 makes some good points about plant quality and moderate intensity.Ill admit its not for everyone and a trade off like anything else.I think there are things to learn from a variety of grow styles.Experimentation is key,and not locking yourself in to a narrow veiw.

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Everyone has something to learn from other growers? Look at his profile... He's following 0 people while 70 people follow him.

I've already used all those magic spectrum fluorescent lamps he's talking about in the early 00s including the actinic tubes and tubes peaking in 660nm and 430nm. The result was much slower flowering time and much lower yield than the same wattage of HPS.

churchhaze said:

Everyone has something to learn from other growers? Look at his profile... He's following 0 people while 70 people follow him.

I've already used all those magic spectrum fluorescent lamps he's talking about in the early 00s including the actinic tubes and tubes peaking in 660nm and 430nm. The result was much slower flowering time and much lower yield than the same wattage of HPS.

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Im just saying...yield is not everyones main focus.Ill learn from anyone,but ill experiment and see if it works for me.Im not saying t5 is the best thing to flower with,ive done it.But there are lessons to be learned,regardless.

churchhaze said:

I've never seen the threads on your forum, but if your advice there is anything like your advice here, I disagree that you give good advice. On the contrary, I think you give very bad advice or I'd just let it slide without ever saying anything.

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How many of your buds meet this criteria ?

Potency, 1 bong rip gets you there
Legs, 1 bong rip last for 5+ hours
Tolerance, 1 bong rip always the same high, zero tolerance issues

All of mine do

churchhaze said:

The result was much slower flowering time and much lower yield than the same wattage of HPS.

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I 've actually reduced flowering times by 7 to 10 days on most strains and could give a flyin fuck about yield ! I grow for the high

churchhaze said:

I've never seen the threads on your forum, but if your advice there is anything like your advice here, I disagree that you give good advice. On the contrary, I think you give very bad advice or I'd just let it slide without ever saying anything.

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I believe you'd respect my opinion, so I'll tell you;

I've been to @RM3's place, seen the grow, smoked the weed and judged for myself.

First, his T5 setup is a pretty far cry from what's found in a Hydrofarm catalog, or in most grower's basements; lots of UV supplementation, custom lamps and ballasts that are akin to stepping up from Epistars to Cree LED.

His soil mix is uncomplicated and effective. He takes his plants longer than some before chop. Killing roots or degrading their connection to the tops to help plants sweat out the last bit of resin is a technique not confined to the cannabis industry. He pays careful attention to the cure.

And, it works. He isn't growing vast quantities, his methods for growing quality aren't the same as for growing mass yield and he's the first to say so. But for a nice personal stash of heady goodness replenished on the regular, his system works just fine.

churchhaze said:

Everyone has something to learn from other growers? Look at his profile... He's following 0 people while 70 people follow him.

I've already used all those magic spectrum fluorescent lamps he's talking about in the early 00s including the actinic tubes and tubes peaking in 660nm and 430nm. The result was much slower flowering time and much lower yield than the same wattage of HPS.

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You're absolutely correct. But what if you didn't care about yield? Bet it was good smoke!

RM3 said:

How many of your buds meet this criteria ?

Potency, 1 bong rip gets you there
Legs, 1 bong rip last for 5+ hours
Tolerance, 1 bong rip always the same high, zero tolerance issues

All of mine do

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All of the buds I've harvested from HPS without any supplements have been spectacular. Potency and smell come mostly from genetics, and keeping the plants healthy up to the point of ripeness.

churchhaze said:

All of the buds I've harvested from HPS without any supplements have been spectacular. Potency and smell come mostly from genetics, and keeping the plants healthy up to the point of ripeness.

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spectacular does not answer the question LOL

ttystikk said:

I believe you'd respect my opinion, so I'll tell you;

I've been to @RM3's place, seen the grow, smoked the weed and judged for myself.

First, his T5 setup is a pretty far cry from what's found in a Hydrofarm catalog, or in most grower's basements; lots of UV supplementation, custom lamps and ballasts that are akin to stepping up from Epistars to Cree LED.

His soil mix is uncomplicated and effective. He takes his plants longer than some before chop. Killing roots or degrading their connection to the tops to help plants sweat out the last bit of resin is a technique not confined to the cannabis industry. He pays careful attention to the cure.

And, it works. He isn't growing vast quantities, his methods for growing quality aren't the same as for growing mass yield and he's the first to say so. But for a nice personal stash of heady goodness replenished on the regular, his system works just fine.

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I couldn't care less if it was just one guy who was set in his ways, but what I see is some guy making claims that his weed is the best anyone has ever smoked because it's been grown under T5 and teaching other people to copy him. I'd like to see tests if his weed is really more potent than the same pheno under HPS. I don't buy it that his weed is higher quality.

churchhaze said:

All of the buds I've harvested from HPS without any supplements have been spectacular. Potency and smell come mostly from genetics, and keeping the plants healthy up to the point of ripeness.

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I thought I had good tasting buds from HPS, but the flavors really jumped out when I switched to '860W' CDM Allstart lamps on magnetic ballasts- and that was a step down in overall intensity, as well.

churchhaze said:

I couldn't care less if it was just one guy who was set in his ways, but what I see is some guy making claims that his weed is the best anyone has ever smoked because it's been grown under T5 and teaching other people to copy him. I'd like to see tests if his weed is really more potent than the same pheno under HPS.

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let's see, seems @ttystikk said he had not been that high in a long while after we (6 growers) smoked 7 joints over a 6 hour period

Hmmmmm I wonder why all the folks that have smoked my herb agree it is some of the best they ever had ?

churchhaze said:

I couldn't care less if it was just one guy who was set in his ways, but what I see is some guy making claims that his weed is the best anyone has ever smoked because it's been grown under T5 and teaching other people to copy him. I'd like to see tests if his weed is really more potent than the same pheno under HPS.

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Best ever is a high bar to claim, I didn't hear him say anything like that. Other people say that, which everyone admits is a subjective thing.

Testing might be a good idea, not only to see about absolute amounts but also to see how the cannabinoid profile might differ.

I'm not a sycophant, nor a fanatical convert to The Way, The Grow and The Light brought by the Gospel of @RM3 lol, but I am saying I smoked some damn fine weed at his house.

ttystikk said:

I thought I had good tasting buds from HPS, but the flavors really jumped out when I switched to '860W' CDM Allstart lamps on magnetic ballasts- and that was a step down in overall intensity, as well.

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Well your advice to people is to use that, or for smaller, 315W CMH, which is reasonable advice. Suggesting that noobs should fill their 3x3 with tubes or cfls is just unethical.