Let's talk serious SCROG

profgrow said:

Thank you, I'm very glad you have enjoyed the thread!

The sis is fine so far, only a few weeks til harvest so hopefully she will tough it out so I can start my next batch!

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glad to hear sis is coming along fine, looks like I might be about to lose my 1st crop if I can't figure wth this is
been told it's Phosphorus deficiency, nute burn, cal/mag and I thing leagally suggested (if it's not in hydro, bend over and kiss my ass goodbye, lol)

drastic measures
ok been trying to identify thi9s problem in many forums with no luck.......so here is a simple straight forward question......will I hurt nthe rest of the plant which seems healthy if I just cut those 2 stems where the damage is Prof ? legally ?

mrt1980 said:

sorry to hear whats happened prof hope the other stays strong till harvest.

legall or prof what hydro system would you recommend? i want to go hydro but i had to save a bit first and i heard soil was a bit easier, by the time these are done i should have enough, i was thinking of a wilma big 4, dont know if you've heared of it. or spending a bit more on a dwc setup
thanks

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Thank you for the good wishes.

I'm sure legally will have a ton to say on this but for me, dwc is the most affordable/easiest to use. It's drawbacks can easily be overcome by planning, ie- making sure the setup is accessible and has proper fill/drain connections. I like dwc for scrog because its positionable under a screen where ebb/flow tables are more difficult to maneuver around.

I will say this and its evident from the last 10 pages of posts or so; You MUST stay on top of hydro, its not for casual growers. You are the only way for a plant to get nutrients so if you are not willing to put in the time to learn about the full spectrum of a plants needs and are willing to be borderline neurotic about cleanliness go with an easier medium.

Soiless systems such as pro-mix or coco fiber can be a stepping stone for growers new to hydro. These compounds are a bit more forgiving yet still require understanding nutrient supplements. I am doing a pro-mix run for my next batch, the plants have actually been root bound for almost a year and as soon as they went into they're pro-mix containers they shot right up! I'm sticking with dwc for my other projects but these 2 plants were already in soil so I figured not to mess with trying to get them into a hydro setup, I have done it before and it usually ends badly. Pro-mix (if you don't know) is sphagnum moss, vermiculite and lime. It's soiless that acts like soil in most ways, it has a ton of air in it so roots grow much faster than soil but it does dry out quickly so requires more waterings. Coco based compounds are also really great, similar properties to pro-mix with a bit more drainage, you literally can't over water if your pot has a drain, again it requires significantly more watering than soil but is easier to maintain and recyclable.

what your saying with cleanliness, do you have to clean out the pots while the plants are in there or between grows? ive got loads of time and am loving them at the mo, i even go and sit in with them 3 or 4 times a day lol. as for the screen would you recomend doing it without a screen to get used to the setup at first?

mrt1980 said:

what your saying with cleanliness, do you have to clean out the pots while the plants are in there or between grows? ive got loads of time and am loving them at the mo, i even go and sit in with them 3 or 4 times a day lol. as for the screen would you recommend doing it without a screen to get used to the setup at first?

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You have to keep everything that comes in contact with the res clean, any mixers or buckets etc need to be cleaned often and rinsed thoroughly. I wouldn't recommend not using a screen, but I would make sure my hydro setup is accessible under the screen and plants don't have to be moved really at all.

If you want to do hydro then just build a flood and drain table using 2x4's, plywood and shower pan liner. Easy stuff and not as critical as DWC. You get great results as well, just not quite as fast as DWC. DWC is the equivalent of racing indy cars. Spend some time running nascar first.

cheers for the info guys, ill look into a way of attaching the pots so they are suported by the screen by chains or a frame and put something under the rez that i can slide out for easy access. i got a mate whos an engineer so he could nock something up for me.

thanks again

excellent thread, based on what I've read so far. Been doing SB method for about a year and looking to improve. I hope you won't mind some questions later on, after I have read the entire thread.

It's been a while since an update, mostly because I have been a bit embarrassed about the current grow. The plant that died took up 65% of my grow space and its departure has left a literal "hole" in the heart of my operation.

Unfortunately the plant that is left has also taken a bit of a turn, issues with ph and nutrient burn/deficiencies did a bit of damage. My ph meter was giving me false readings so i calibrated it, then it died... I'm awaiting my new ph meter but UPS is slow this time of year so hoping it arrives before the weekend, I really didn't want to buy 2 because one took to long to get to me.

Anyhoo, here are the pics.










My vegging closet is doing ok, I was able to pull the larger clone back from the brink and just trying to keep them satisfied until I can do a full nutrient exchange on the dwc buckets.



The 2 in Pro-mix are doing well, the strain is great, after the issues with VK I may go back to it full time.

I think you are way way way over feeding your flowering plants. or it could be the residual of your chemical mishap.

I'll try and post some pics of my scrog. Not super stoked, they look ok, but the size isn't there.

legallyflying said:

I think you are way way way over feeding your flowering plants. or it could be the residual of your chemical mishap.

I'll try and post some pics of my scrog. Not super stoked, they look ok, but the size isn't there.

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That may be the problem, if so it shouldn't be anymore as I have flushed and cut back to 700 ppm.

here is 43 days in flower, buds are super sticky and stinky I bought a 100x scope lots of clear triches seems to have some nute burn in spots have backed off nutes for now only using ph'd water
crusing along however one of the plants in my party cup grow is mighty suspicious maybe hermie but can't get a decent pic (shit cam) so here goes

legallyflying said:

That seems a little close. I have found that moving the light away can help with trich production. Look at your plants, are the buds on the sides more crystallized then the ones directly under the lamp? I used to think that having the lights super close was the way to go but if you read into lighting an sunlight and what not, they recommend around 60k lux for flowering. 90k is actually stronger than sunlight and in general, is no bueno.

I would highly suggest a cheap eBay lux meter. Extremely valuable for setting your hood height. Mostly to get the height that gives a nice even swath of light. You would be amazed at how different hoods throw light. Some are great and some are total shit. I bought and returned about 5 hoods before settling on the super sun II. You know what's weird though is that the adjust a wing reflectors, which throw a super super wide swath, actually have less light intensity directly under the bulb! Kind of goofy.

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Check this out. https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/462374-diy-6-00-light-meter.html

chopped 2 of my clones suspected of being hermies in a all female society couldn't get good pics

thunderbay said:

chopped 2 of my clones suspected of being hermies in a all female society couldn't get good pics

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Have you tried dutch reverse? never used it myself but people say it works

mrt1980 said:

Have you tried dutch reverse? never used it myself but people say it works

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I've tried it twice & still got male flowers.
Snake Oil IMHO.

Reverse can prevent hermies, and prevent pollinated flowers from forming seeds, but it's not a magic sex reverser.

legallyflying said:

Reverse can prevent hermies, and prevent pollinated flowers from forming seeds, but it's not a magic sex reverser.

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I was thinking of getting some just incase. ive heared some bad stories about fem seeds and being my first go i know im probably going to stress them into hermying

I decided that all that damage was nute burn so a few days ago I flushed the hell outta my girls but I don't see a diffference one way or the other.....should I in 7 days ? Does the damage reverse or what ?

from what ive read it dont reverse. its just the new leaves wont be affected