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BudBaby

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cheers BB, yeah I had a quick look at your thread with stealthy, Im very jealous as Id love a cab like the one he made but being a lazy arse means I just went with a grow tent. Picked it up today, well excited :) cant wait for your journal dude


Cheers pal.I have got well carried away, its just over 4 grand in all lol but it will be a solid airtight unit when ive finished so im just hoping the lights live up to my expectations!!
 

BudBaby

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there is an LED grower... LEDBUDGUY

i think he pulls like 1.5 or 1.7 gpw on his last grow

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/399795-confined-space-1020w-led-24-a-16.html#post5327895

So yes people come close and surpass 1 gpw


He sure has had some good results. With what my light cost i will be expecting the same sort of results if not better. I went with this guy purely because he uses the very best of everything so i hope the extra money will be justified. Will be very interesting to say the least. I cant wait to get cracking!!
 

SpaceBuds

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Yep, blackstar 240 on back order, so for now I'll be going with the ISIS-fx1.
What was the lot number of your kessils that were bad. I have two magentas, Jun 2010 lot, that I mix with a MH conversion bulb. The UL sticker on the back of my kessils say 32W...not the 35w as advertised. I've ordered two ISIS FX1 panels, and will combine them with two kessils, and a t5 panel in a 3x6 foot room with a 45 inch celling. I can't wait to see.
 

660nm420

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What was the lot number of your kessils that were bad. I have two magentas, Jun 2010 lot, that I mix with a MH conversion bulb. The UL sticker on the back of my kessils say 32W...not the 35w as advertised. I've ordered two ISIS FX1 panels, and will combine them with two kessils, and a t5 panel in a 3x6 foot room with a 45 inch celling. I can't wait to see.
I already returned the defects. I'll email Kessil and see if they can get it to me I have an email in my outbox with the serial number, but I didn't get the lot number. I'll have to check the UL when my lights go on. I plan on picking up a couple of those ISIS FX1's. They look to be the best priced panel with a 3 year warranty on the market. I have the scratch for 1 so it'll be on the way shortly. The only downfall is they run it for 140 or 150 hours straight or something like that before it leaves the factory. That's 5 or 6 days.
 

nmate2oo2

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yeah they all worked but nothing for my troubles, so I ordered a Blackstar 240 instead of another Kessil. A person I suggested Blackstar brought theirs over and is WAY brighter. 4 blackstars are the price of 5 kessils and I would say more worth the $1200. My next purchase will be either the ISIS FX1 or the ISIS-1. Does anyone know if the 11 band spectrum worth the extra $20
do you know how big those ISIS is...they are claiming 30 squard feet
 

jdizzle22

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do you know how big those ISIS is...they are claiming 30 squard feet
Nobody makes an LED single LED light that can flower more than maybe 9 square feet, 16 would be pushing it with waste around the edges. Most LEDs are only good for 2.5ft x2.5ft or less

To say an LED can handle a 30 square foot space is a complete lie and I would automatically avoid the products of any company that would try and deceive people into believing such a ridiculous thing.

One should need as few as 2 high watt LEDs or an average of 4 LED lights to cover 30sq feet
 

budlover909

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it aint no complete lie but it only works for veg i seen plenty greenhouse noweed grows keeping leds way up in the ceiling and still growing dense herbs just no smokin herb
 
Maybe they are out of the units (BlackStar) didn't Ray just buy up 18 of 240 panels? That would put a dent in a small overhead I would think.
Im not just looking for 240s, im also lookin for the 500s, so im curious on this dudes dad. interesting to say the least
 

dunit

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Nobody makes an LED single LED light that can flower more than maybe 9 square feet, 16 would be pushing it with waste around the edges. Most LEDs are only good for 2.5ft x2.5ft or less

To say an LED can handle a 30 square foot space is a complete lie and I would automatically avoid the products of any company that would try and deceive people into believing such a ridiculous thing.

One should need as few as 2 high watt LEDs or an average of 4 LED lights to cover 30sq feet
1000w HPS has a claimed coverage area of 12' by 12'. Remember that general horticultural lighting, which is what most manufactureres claim to sell, is based on greenhouse applications. I bet you could easily grow 25 sq ft of lettuce under my ISIS :-)
 

dunit

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I have the 126w penetrator and last night a friend brought his Blackstar 240 panel that actually draws 140w so the 126w penetrator and 140w Blackstar are close in watts and I have to say the Blackstar is brighter. The blackstar is $175 less than the penetrator, but the penetrator has a 3 year and blackstar has a 1. All I know is I got online and ordered the Blackstar. The penetrator has served me well and draws less but those panels came out a few years ago where the Blackstar is building on success of panels like the penetrator.
If it looks brighter to you that isn't actually a good thing. Our eyes are most sensitive to light in spectrums that are least sensitive to plants. Basically the Par curve is almost inverse of the visible light curve. My feeling on the two is that the Penetrator is putting more PAR light out and will be better for the plants.
 

ColoradoLove

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Gotta second that. You really think your best bet is to just look at the 2 panels and try to figure out which one is brighter?

I'd also like to ask any Blackstar growers to throw out some budshots from flowering with them. They seem to be a hot brand yet the only legitimate bud shots are coming from the pricier panel guys. Lets see em! It would save me a lot of money if you could show me evidence that Blackstars can flower.
 

TshirtNinja

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Gotta second that. You really think your best bet is to just look at the 2 panels and try to figure out which one is brighter?

I'd also like to ask any Blackstar growers to throw out some budshots from flowering with them. They seem to be a hot brand yet the only legitimate bud shots are coming from the pricier panel guys. Lets see em! It would save me a lot of money if you could show me evidence that Blackstars can flower.
Fuck me running....................... It's already been said that most of the current Blackstar growers in this thread are in the middle of a crop and havent grown from start to finish with them which will be the real test..... My next grow will be with 3 240w units in a 4x4 tent. 6 plants in 3 gallon smart/air pots (dont know which yet). I have a current crop under them for a bit of flower but honestly i got my panels like 3 weeks into flower so its not going to be completely accurate. But since you insist i just opened my tent and here are some early bud shots of what i have since you couldnt see the other bud shots i already posted often............... Also be gentle as this is the FIRST time I've even thought about growing at all. My buds are 4 weeks into flower starting today (Sunday).
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They grow bud just fine. For my first grow and with only a week and some change under these lights after having them under WAY too little light i think they have EXPLODED. I cant wait to show my blackstar only grow off this spring time so that people will shut up that they are awesome because they spent 4 times as me....... Or that just because I don't have some flipping thousand year warranty that my lights must be trash. To be quite honest I see myself in 2 years buying a whole new lighting setup based on new tech but will sell off my old tech on ebay. Ima blaze one up after that rant lol.
 

TshirtNinja

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they will swell up nicely for your first grow. rep for trying.
thanks bro rep to you as well. I have grown TONS of other species of plants and vegies in my day but mj is a whole different ballgame and i love bringing my farming concepts over to the grow room. I trained these autoflowers who normally take 1/2 strength nutes from everyone i talk to and mine suck up 1.5 strength nutes EVERY feeding now. I just checked my pots and they are almost dry after a little under 3 days. It's a principle we used to use in the production of corn and honestly mj treats nutrient buildup just like corn does. It shows all the qualities that a good corn crop will thrive with. I am excited to include air pruning and some other surprises to my next grow.
 

budlover909

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hah my dad just got onto ecogroled and wanted to know what kind of heatsink they claim to use in their 300w panel because he aint seen one yet with a heatsink in it

he dont believe them i bet hes right and theyre starting their scam
 

TshirtNinja

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hah my dad just got onto ecogroled and wanted to know what kind of heatsink they claim to use in their 300w panel because he aint seen one yet with a heatsink in it

he dont believe them i bet hes right and theyre starting their scam
im sorry but heatsinks are the least of my worries with my grow light. If you mount them to a piece of metal and draw air away from it then you will cool your led's. I used to put an aluminum plate on laser systems to cool them in a similar fashion to whats inside most of these grow lights. Large heatsinks shouldnt be needed unless your running stupid wattage out of one panel like an actual draw of anything less than 500 drawn watts is going to be overkill. and honestly if your running that much wattage per unit then you should look into better solutions then heat sinks. not to belittle your comment as i hate false advertising, just my .02 on bulky heatsinks :)
 

budlover909

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im sorry but heatsinks are the least of my worries with my grow light. If you mount them to a piece of metal and draw air away from it then you will cool your led's. I used to put an aluminum plate on laser systems to cool them in a similar fashion to whats inside most of these grow lights. Large heatsinks shouldnt be needed unless your running stupid wattage out of one panel like an actual draw of anything less than 500 drawn watts is going to be overkill. and honestly if your running that much wattage per unit then you should look into better solutions then heat sinks. not to belittle your comment as i hate false advertising, just my .02 on bulky heatsinks :)
damn these people fast as hell they took apart a unit and tooka pic justfor him that doesnt look like a huge heatsink at all for 300w does that look right to you for a 300w panel supposedly same size as an old 120w
 

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TshirtNinja

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damn these people fast as hell they took apart a unit and tooka pic justfor him that doesnt look like a huge heatsink at all for 300w does that look right to you for a 300w panel supposedly same size as an old 120w
that looks like plenty of heatsink to be honest. The whole unit is turned into a sink with that badboy. Again I'm not the guy thats big on these things because im a man of simplicity by design. The colt 1911 has 7 working parts while most other modern handguns have between 24-36 moving parts that can break. KISS (keep it simple stupid) is my moto and it has worked out so far.
 

budlover909

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that looks like plenty of heatsink to be honest. The whole unit is turned into a sink with that badboy. Again I'm not the guy thats big on these things because im a man of simplicity by design. The colt 1911 has 7 working parts while most other modern handguns have between 24-36 moving parts that can break. KISS (keep it simple stupid) is my moto and it has worked out so far.
so wat you think that panel will keep chiller than regular ones with just a flat plate and fans will that make it last longer
 

TshirtNinja

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so wat you think that panel will keep chiller than regular ones with just a flat plate and fans will that make it last longer
i say its overkill. It will last just as long as mine or any other unit that has fans and a piece of metal for the leds to be strapped to. Once again i feel that these finned heat sinks are a marketing gimic like switchable spectrums. Why would i want to switch lighting? To loose the full potential of my panel? No thanks. I got frostier buds off this strain than any journal ive looked at for it, and to be quite honest i made enough mistakes that I will put my success in the lighting(once it was proper). If i pull 2-3 zips off these 3 then this will have been a huge success. My next crop im setting the bar up to 8-10 zips but im also totally revamping my grow strategy. Between air pruning, a new nutrient schedule, more frequent waterings and some other surprises i think that with the 3 units that this is totally doable. Lets say my units only draw 140(which i know is not true) that would add up to over 400w of drawn power. At 10 zips thats .7g/w which i think is doable.
 
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