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Yeah I've been happy with the Penetrator and the Blackstar 240 is out of stock so I ordered the ISIS-fx1. I will keeping up on my friends progress under the Blackstar because I plan on putting some serious $ into LED this year and have to compare a number of different units. I know my friend's talents and if the Blackstar works he will have something to show. All I know is my ladies are loving it beneath the Penetrator and Kessils
. I mounted the two magentas and the two purples on the side of the panel and raised it higher than I normally would at about 13" and seeing about an inch of growth a day and bushing out nicely. I hope the ISIS arrives quickly though
even though the led is more efficient than the HID in PAR units delivered, a 240w is not going to out perform a 500w HID system.Help! Where did I go wrong? (I think I ooopsed
2 X 2(ish) closet. 250 w MH/HPS worked well in there (other than august heat).
Wanted to try LED. Researched and came up with;
HPS 20% usable light wave. (250 X 0.20) = 50 watts of plant usable light.
180 watt LED (Blackstar), runs 1.56 watts per (90 diodes) and equals 140 watts, only 80% usable, 140 X 0.8 = 112 usable watts of plant usable light.
In theory, My plants should react like they're gettin about 500 watts eq. of HPS lighting.
This light is the all purpose, flowering, model 2011 with 6 bands of color.
Admittedly, it's only been a few (6 ?) days.
But I'm not seeing this add up to any 4-500 HPS. I'm not even seeing it equalling my 250 in honesty. My growth rate dropped off sharply when I made the swap.
I've added 2 - 13w CFLs to maybe add some blue for veg, and I'm still disapointed.
Did I miss calculate?
Do I need to give time to adjust?
What went wrong?
Any ideas / help GREATLY appreciated. I really want these to work in my tiny grow space. Thought I researced enough, apparently not.
Thanks.
Alright,,, but why is my 180 LED comparing soooo poorly against the 250 HID in a wee little 2ft X 2 ft. area?
That's a 70w HPS in there for flower later,, presently 2-13w CFLs there with a Y splitter.
Should I go back to the MH/HPS until flower?
I'm doing some personal comparative grows to see what it would take to do a larger LED perpetual harvest and my friend who picked up the Blackstar has some skills so I'll have plenty of chances to see with my own eyes what the Blackstar can do. I wouldn't go out and pick up 10+ units without seeing what they are packing. It's correct that visible light intensity isn't everything and I wouldn't go by that alone, but I've followed Blackstar grows on here and have liked what I see. Since they were sold out of Blackstar I bought the ISIS instead, and like I said this is all just test for me to know what it takes to cover a larger area. My observation based on light intensity of a unit that I viewed with my own eyes is just as informative as getting online and looking for LED units.
Well like all have said most LED grows are in the middle and here is mine with a week or two left and only a Black Star 240 and I know my buds are dank and 2 hit wonders that sit me down for hours. I might not have quanity but for only a two plant grow I think this is AOK on output with several colas bigger than a beer can. https://www.rollitup.org/blogs/294981-swusaz.html
The light with the most finished grows I've seen are the growledhydro Spectra LED lights. Most of the grows are over on 420 magazine though, you can google irishboy and setting sun (there are several others too). I bought a 395w (total/actual draw) 2011 Spectra but I was only able to get it in time to start 12/12 with it so I didn't get to see how well it can veg compared to my ol 400w Hortilux Super HPS. But based on all the journals I've seen with Spectra lights, you will not be disappointed.
you have too many plants under that unit is why your results are ho hum at the moment. I honestly wouldn't put more than 2 under that light. You cant slap one unit above a lot of plants and expect EXPLOSIVE growth. Once I put the proper amount of lighting in my cab my ladies freaking took off like well weeds lol
First off no matter how tall and bushy my lovely ladies get the same HPS user keeps telling me, "my HPS could do that in a week". Even though they are doubling in size every week. I'm sorry but BS. I've worked hands on with the dude's grow (hasn't grown any indoor for 3+ years) and he is lying. End of week 2, "I woulda grown that in a week under HPS", end of week 3 my ladies are doubled in size but, "I woulda grown that in a week under HPS", end of week 4 again mad growth, and everything is looking excellent and again, "I would have grown that in a week under my HPS". He quit growing because rising energy costs and dropping product value caused by growers who bypass the meter and grow 40 lbs of indoor. At the time he quit growing indoor I could pick up quality weight for about what it cost him to grow it. I'm in Cali and have seen PLENTY of huge buds growing using LED in homes of patients and medical setups. I don't need photos to know LED really works even in commercial setting. All I need to know is which LED units are best so I'm just wondering what you have to contribute to this discussion. This isn't a thread to bash LED it is a thread to see which LED works the best. "LED works great if you like small buds and string bean plants" is just sarcastic. It can also be put, "MH/HPS is great if you like huge power bills or the insecurity of knowing that you are stealing power and that the cops can kick in your door anytime," If you forfeit your 4th amendment right by engaging in theft be careful because power companies are finding new ways of spotting these large scale commercial grows. Or it could be put MH/HPS works great if you just want to point a large light source at the grow and have success because honestly if you are unable to make the switch to LED it's because,
Nice looking grow!! LED works and I've silenced skeptics in real life. Cant wait to begin flowering with my new lights. I have my eye on one of those blackstars too, but have to see what the ISIS can do. I went to order the 240 and it was sold out so I had to go with the ISIS, but my homie just picked up the blackstar so I still get to see what it can do. I wish HPS users would stay off this thread. From what I understand this thread is to sort out the differences between LED units, not to bash them on whether or not they work. I have been following this thread and your grow for awhile. I'm still new to grow forums. Until I found this thread I had no interest in signing up for any of them. Keep up the good work!!
Don't give up. The point is that you need the power savings or you would never have looked into LED. If I were you I would return the UFO, pick up 2-3 cheaper blue PAR 38 veg grow lights from this website to start with while you wait for the Blackstar 240 or any other quality panel that you will need to grow more than 1 or 2 plants.
Shitting hell BB, 4 grand?? I'm sure it'll be worth it long term mate. If a jobs worth doing, its worth doing right etc. I've just been on ebay & I've took the plunge & ordered his 140 watt light. I'm hoping its enough on its own to do my 5/6 plant grow but i can always add more lights later if it doesnt. After picking up my tent on saturday my project is starting to pick up pace
I don't think any 140w light could be enough for 5 or 6 plants unless you trim/train the shit out of them. I would stick with 1 or 2 and SCROGShitting hell BB, 4 grand?? I'm sure it'll be worth it long term mate. If a jobs worth doing, its worth doing right etc. I've just been on ebay & I've took the plunge & ordered his 140 watt light. I'm hoping its enough on its own to do my 5/6 plant grow but i can always add more lights later if it doesnt. After picking up my tent on saturday my project is starting to pick up pace
Shitting hell BB, 4 grand?? I'm sure it'll be worth it long term mate. If a jobs worth doing, its worth doing right etc. I've just been on ebay & I've took the plunge & ordered his 140 watt light. I'm hoping its enough on its own to do my 5/6 plant grow but i can always add more lights later if it doesnt. After picking up my tent on saturday my project is starting to pick up pace
**** 4. I have used them and BS they suck https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/405548-test-grow-mh-sunshine-90w.html#post5257265 < auto led trying to test them but they suck to much.
