Chronikool
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Hahaha ok...i suppose i have never bought an already made panel so i dont know what a normal temp is for them. 
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PetFlora
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Hgrow
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Yeah , that's right . Because I am not going to sell anything .
Hgrow
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It seems that you are so afraid 。 Because what I post make some of you upset . Sorry to make you loss . If you guys make money from those shit LED lights , then who will pay for the bill ？？？ The people here who don't know the truth .
Hgrow
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Yeah , I am back . Not like you guys , all day here to try to sell some shit led lights . I have much work to do . It seems that the LED grow light you make failed again .
nevergoodenuf
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Talk about shit leds. The Sol9 I tested started to die in 4 months. And I'm pretty sure they (you) still haven't replaced the 3 dead chipsets.
digimidgi
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Anyone grown with car lights before ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10824546/Gangs-stealing-LED-lights-from-Range-Rovers-to-grow-cannabis.html
?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10824546/Gangs-stealing-LED-lights-from-Range-Rovers-to-grow-cannabis.html
Hgrow
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Sorry to hear that . This LED light 's life is only 4 months . www.hydrogrowled.com That's why I post some failed led light pictures , the new led growers can know about .
spazatak
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thanks for the heads up NGE..... wont be buying the Hgrow line of dust collectors anytime soon
Hgrow
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Yeah , that's right . I don't care . Stay away from Hydrogrowled like Spazatak said .
PetFlora
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You seem to be getting your fair share of crap for repetitive hydrg bashing. So, what are you recommending
Bad Karma
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Well, he's not going to recommend BML, I can guarantee that.
FranJan
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Just a little news about Philips beating that dead horse called monos. How come these companies aren't putting out a white option? Maybe they know something too.
http://www.ledsmagazine.com/content/leds/en/articles/2014/05/philips-and-green-sense-farms-harness-leds-for-horticulture.html
Philips and Green Sense Farms harness LEDs for horticulture
Published on: May 13, 2014
By Maury Wright
Editor, LEDs Magazine and Illumination in Focus
Royal Philips has announced a partnership with Green Sense Farms to develop massive indoor commercial farming installations that leverage LED lighting to maximize plant productivity. The companies believe that tuned solid-state lighting (SSL) can yield 20–25 harvests per year while using 85% less energy than indoor horticultural installations that use legacy lighting.
Green Sense Farms has renovated 14 25-ft-tall growing towers in two climate-controlled rooms with Philips Lighting LED products.
As we have covered previously, LED lighting can yield a number of benefits in horticulture. Precise delivery of specific wavelengths can boost plant production and LED lighting offers the flexibility in terms of mechanical form factor for higher-density plant production in commercial farming settings. There are also benefits to LED lighting beyond directly accelerating plant development, as Valoya in The Netherlands has documented increased bee activity under SSL that results in improved tomato production.
The latest horticultural news from Philips involves a large commercial grower in Green Sense Farms based in the Chicago, Illinois area. The farm hopes that LEDs can help them produce more crops per year, use less energy, and locate growing operations near the consumer, thereby reducing the transportation cost of getting foods to market while delivering superior fresher produce to the consumer.
Green Sense Farms has renovated 14 25-ft-tall growing towers in two climate-controlled rooms with Philips Lighting LED products. The installation covers a one-million-ft3 growing space where the farm will take advantage of the low-profile and heat-free aspects of LED lighting to stack plants in a high-density fashion.
"By growing our crops vertically, we are able to pack more plants per acre than we would have in a field farm, which results in more harvests per year," said Robert Colangelo, founding farmer/president of Green Sense Farms. "We produce little waste, no agricultural runoff, and minimal greenhouse gases because the food is grown where it is consumed."
The LED installation will leverage Philips horticultural research. "Different plant types have different light needs and working with forward-thinking growers like Green Sense Farms, Philips is building up a database of light recipes for different plant varieties," said Udo van Slooten, director of horticultural lighting at Philips. "Green Sense Farms is using vertical hydroponic technology with Philips LED growing lights, enabling them to do what no other grower can do: Provide a consistent amount of high-quality produce, year round."
The partners believe that such operations will be critical in feeding a rapidly expanding global population base. The United Nations projects that global population will increase by 2.5 billion people by 2050. Moreover, 80% of that population will live in cities, making high-density urban farms a necessity.
Green Sense Farms hopes to build LED-lit growing operations located coincident with facilities such as college campuses, hospital complexes, and military bases to provide local produce production. "Through our joint R&D efforts with Philips, we continue to innovate and perfect LED lighting for indoor growing systems that can maximize plant photosynthesis, while minimizing energy use for the most delicious and nutritious vegetables grown in a sustainable manner," said Colangelo.
An article by consultancy Outsourced Innovation quantified some of the benefits in LED lighting in horticulture and also identified key actions for the industry going forward. Osram has also written on the subject of tuned LED spectrum for horticulture as well as other life-science applications.
http://www.ledsmagazine.com/content/leds/en/articles/2014/05/philips-and-green-sense-farms-harness-leds-for-horticulture.html
Philips and Green Sense Farms harness LEDs for horticulture
Published on: May 13, 2014
By Maury Wright
Editor, LEDs Magazine and Illumination in Focus
Royal Philips has announced a partnership with Green Sense Farms to develop massive indoor commercial farming installations that leverage LED lighting to maximize plant productivity. The companies believe that tuned solid-state lighting (SSL) can yield 20–25 harvests per year while using 85% less energy than indoor horticultural installations that use legacy lighting.
Green Sense Farms has renovated 14 25-ft-tall growing towers in two climate-controlled rooms with Philips Lighting LED products.
As we have covered previously, LED lighting can yield a number of benefits in horticulture. Precise delivery of specific wavelengths can boost plant production and LED lighting offers the flexibility in terms of mechanical form factor for higher-density plant production in commercial farming settings. There are also benefits to LED lighting beyond directly accelerating plant development, as Valoya in The Netherlands has documented increased bee activity under SSL that results in improved tomato production.
The latest horticultural news from Philips involves a large commercial grower in Green Sense Farms based in the Chicago, Illinois area. The farm hopes that LEDs can help them produce more crops per year, use less energy, and locate growing operations near the consumer, thereby reducing the transportation cost of getting foods to market while delivering superior fresher produce to the consumer.
Green Sense Farms has renovated 14 25-ft-tall growing towers in two climate-controlled rooms with Philips Lighting LED products. The installation covers a one-million-ft3 growing space where the farm will take advantage of the low-profile and heat-free aspects of LED lighting to stack plants in a high-density fashion.
"By growing our crops vertically, we are able to pack more plants per acre than we would have in a field farm, which results in more harvests per year," said Robert Colangelo, founding farmer/president of Green Sense Farms. "We produce little waste, no agricultural runoff, and minimal greenhouse gases because the food is grown where it is consumed."
The LED installation will leverage Philips horticultural research. "Different plant types have different light needs and working with forward-thinking growers like Green Sense Farms, Philips is building up a database of light recipes for different plant varieties," said Udo van Slooten, director of horticultural lighting at Philips. "Green Sense Farms is using vertical hydroponic technology with Philips LED growing lights, enabling them to do what no other grower can do: Provide a consistent amount of high-quality produce, year round."
The partners believe that such operations will be critical in feeding a rapidly expanding global population base. The United Nations projects that global population will increase by 2.5 billion people by 2050. Moreover, 80% of that population will live in cities, making high-density urban farms a necessity.
Green Sense Farms hopes to build LED-lit growing operations located coincident with facilities such as college campuses, hospital complexes, and military bases to provide local produce production. "Through our joint R&D efforts with Philips, we continue to innovate and perfect LED lighting for indoor growing systems that can maximize plant photosynthesis, while minimizing energy use for the most delicious and nutritious vegetables grown in a sustainable manner," said Colangelo.
An article by consultancy Outsourced Innovation quantified some of the benefits in LED lighting in horticulture and also identified key actions for the industry going forward. Osram has also written on the subject of tuned LED spectrum for horticulture as well as other life-science applications.
stardustsailor
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Just a little news about Philips beating that dead horse called monos. How come these companies aren't putting out a white option? Maybe they know something too.
http://www.ledsmagazine.com/content/leds/en/articles/2014/05/philips-and-green-sense-farms-harness-leds-for-horticulture.html
Philips and Green Sense Farms harness LEDs for horticulture
Published on: May 13, 2014
By Maury Wright
Editor, LEDs Magazine and Illumination in Focus
Royal Philips has announced a partnership with Green Sense Farms to develop massive indoor commercial farming installations that leverage LED lighting to maximize plant productivity. The companies believe that tuned solid-state lighting (SSL) can yield 20–25 harvests per year while using 85% less energy than indoor horticultural installations that use legacy lighting.
Green Sense Farms has renovated 14 25-ft-tall growing towers in two climate-controlled rooms with Philips Lighting LED products.
As we have covered previously, LED lighting can yield a number of benefits in horticulture. Precise delivery of specific wavelengths can boost plant production and LED lighting offers the flexibility in terms of mechanical form factor for higher-density plant production in commercial farming settings. There are also benefits to LED lighting beyond directly accelerating plant development, as Valoya in The Netherlands has documented increased bee activity under SSL that results in improved tomato production.
The latest horticultural news from Philips involves a large commercial grower in Green Sense Farms based in the Chicago, Illinois area. The farm hopes that LEDs can help them produce more crops per year, use less energy, and locate growing operations near the consumer, thereby reducing the transportation cost of getting foods to market while delivering superior fresher produce to the consumer.
Green Sense Farms has renovated 14 25-ft-tall growing towers in two climate-controlled rooms with Philips Lighting LED products. The installation covers a one-million-ft3 growing space where the farm will take advantage of the low-profile and heat-free aspects of LED lighting to stack plants in a high-density fashion.
"By growing our crops vertically, we are able to pack more plants per acre than we would have in a field farm, which results in more harvests per year," said Robert Colangelo, founding farmer/president of Green Sense Farms. "We produce little waste, no agricultural runoff, and minimal greenhouse gases because the food is grown where it is consumed."
The LED installation will leverage Philips horticultural research. "Different plant types have different light needs and working with forward-thinking growers like Green Sense Farms, Philips is building up a database of light recipes for different plant varieties," said Udo van Slooten, director of horticultural lighting at Philips. "Green Sense Farms is using vertical hydroponic technology with Philips LED growing lights, enabling them to do what no other grower can do: Provide a consistent amount of high-quality produce, year round."
The partners believe that such operations will be critical in feeding a rapidly expanding global population base. The United Nations projects that global population will increase by 2.5 billion people by 2050. Moreover, 80% of that population will live in cities, making high-density urban farms a necessity.
Green Sense Farms hopes to build LED-lit growing operations located coincident with facilities such as college campuses, hospital complexes, and military bases to provide local produce production. "Through our joint R&D efforts with Philips, we continue to innovate and perfect LED lighting for indoor growing systems that can maximize plant photosynthesis, while minimizing energy use for the most delicious and nutritious vegetables grown in a sustainable manner," said Colangelo.
An article by consultancy Outsourced Innovation quantified some of the benefits in LED lighting in horticulture and also identified key actions for the industry going forward. Osram has also written on the subject of tuned LED spectrum for horticulture as well as other life-science applications.
Fran,I'm not responding to your post neither to 'defend' the 'white party/wing ' ,neither to 'offend' the 'mono party/wing'..
Nevertheless ,we both know where I belong ...
Only to ..note.. somethings ...
-Monos are for sure not a 'dead horse' .You know pretty well ,that for some type of plant species,growth/cultivation techniques and final product qualities/quantities involved ,still the combination of monochromatics is far superior efficiency-wise ,either if used as complementary to sunlight illumination or as the one and only illumination ,from start till end.
- Phillips has a 'white' line ...W/FR W/R ...aand so on ...In 'bulb' format ...Remember ? Pretty expensive ones ..
-Yes ,in that 14-floor (!!! ) bedding system ,for green ,leafy plants ,it really would be a waste of money and energy to have white leds ,to grow these plants...No need for extra wavelengths ...
In fact red and blue combinations ,will also affect positively the quality (nutritional value,taste,aroma)
of the final product !
-You also know ,that in case of a weed ,like mj ,spectrum does not matter that much ,after all ..
Ok..the richer in wls it is ,the higher the irradiances can increase ....
That is true...It stands ...
As ,the spectrum is not of THAT great importance ,that (mistakenly) many of us fiercely insisted and argue about ,
actually is the irradiance that matters ...
The higher ?
The higher flower production ...
( => HPS ...)
But ..
In order to get HIGH irradiances ( > 500-600 umol/sec ) light has to be 'enriched'...
Yes,sure you can grow very fine weed under R/B combinations...
But science experimentation history and practice (and theory ) ,have all shown that there's a 'plateu' regarding irradiances with monos ...In many cases ,going over that 'limit' it impacts negatively the plants ...
The simplest solution is the additional wls !
Photosynthesis can stay in rel. high levels ,even at high irradiances ,probably due to accessory pigment action ...
(Some photosynthesize at those extra wls ,others protect from high irradiances inhibition/saturation,but they are 'activated' by those 'missing' extra wls ...And who knows what remains ,yet to be discovered ...)
- Both ways ,have their pros and cons...
Grower / farmer has to carefully decide,which one ,fits best .
Cheers.
FranJan
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I don't mean to dis white, I just gotta play a bit I like both. I love looking at my F3s since they're like little LED panels. 2 rows 660, 1 row 730, 1 row 5000K. I can't imagine not growing with whites, I'll just never commit to a pure white grow. At least not this week .
I like both. I love looking at my F3s since they're like little LED panels. 2 rows 660, 1 row 730, 1 row 5000K. I can't imagine not growing with whites, I'll just never commit to a pure white grow. At least not this week .
stardustsailor
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I don't mean to dis white, I just gotta play a bit
To be honest ....
Yes ...
Indeed...
A 'pure-true-only white' led grow is still ,pretty much ,an experimental thing ...
But with a ...promising 'background ' ...( => HPS ,MH, WW CFL/FL ,CW CFL/FL.... ) ...
And afterall it's not that long that really efficient (white ) chips ,hit the market ...
Quantum -dot ,CXA / Vero Cobs and now from Citizen ,Phillips ,Nichia ,etc ...
Still...The white-wing in leds ,yes ,it is rather ...'experimental' if not 'underground' or even ..'occult' in some cases like SDS...
..Han's Panels "look" or rather "illuminate" quite a like with the illumis ...
They both utilise efficient monos for the 'core' and some (also from the most efficient type-least phosphor conversion ) pc white leds to provide that small -but rather crucial- amount of those 'extra' wls ( cool white leds ,at both cases ) ,
so higher irradiances can be achieved using those panels / leds ( Hans/ Illumitex ) ..
Pretty clever thought and 'approach' ..,With top-efficiency ,in designer's mind !!!
Really .
But ....
Fran...
I'm the 'risky' kind/type of guy ...
(Usually also the most stupid ones ...
...)Cheers ...
stardustsailor
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Also....I don't mean to dis white, I just gotta play a bit
You 've the ability to answer a very important question of mine ....
(And not only mine ...)
The illumis are based on the " 660 +730" combo ,being a 'Phytochrome activating ' illumination if I'm allowed to say so ...(Promoting flowering on a enzymatic-hormonic / photomorphogenic /circadian metabolism alterations 'route' / pathway )
Han's uses '630+660' ,inclining more to the benefits of Emerson Effect (two reds combined )and the higher RQE of 'low' reds ...
..(Promoting flowering on a photosynthesis / absorbed energy / carbohydrate synthesis 'route' / pathway )
I've always wondered ..
Which one of those two combos produces more flowers ,at the end ?
( It would be quite useful to know...
For future white chip selection and
'general flowering spectrum stategy /policy ...
...approach' ....*)Cheers.
...(* Some grows of mine ,have shown-repetively- that buds grown under high cri warm whites or 2700K ,are 'thicker' and 'denser' than of those of med cri ww whites/ 3000K ...
But yields are smaller ..(due to lower efficiency of those whites ...)
But buds are way ,better ..
And they 'finish ' 7-14 days(at average ) earlier than those of grown with med cri ww whites/ 3000K ...
ww whites/ 3000K are 'bulk yielders' (like Han's Panel ..Sort of ...)
while the high CRI / 2700 K are 'quick finishers' and produce really thick and dense buds ..
(probably because of their extra power ,emitted at >640 nm - 750 nm ..)..
Kinda like the Illumitex approach ....
At this case 'monochromatics '(Fran ) can really help 'whites' (SDS ) ,in trimming
and "flowering -orienting " the spectrum ,with the least efficiency losses ...
Or answer if it is worthy such a thing ( 3000K +2700K / High CRI +Mid CRI ) ,first place ...
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PSUAGRO.
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I've said this before but Hans never replicated that record run with the original panels, V2 with the xt-e 450nm saw a significant drop in bud production(more efficient than xp-e it replaced/ too much blue maybe). Then V3 he changed his ratio to add more 660nm/white and it didn't improve on the original's results, so he upped the wattage to 80w-86w to get better yields and it didn't compare to the V1(65w) from his most recent test.
That speaks^^^ volumes to me.........OR........maybe he started trimming better?lol
That speaks^^^ volumes to me.........OR........maybe he started trimming better?lol