is this a decnet tea mix for veg?

GoRealUhGro

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I added about 1.4 cup of alfalfa pelletts...and hand full of ewc...some aphrodites extraction. ..don't have molasses atm...about 1.4 tsp of humic micro nutes.. (thought I had fulvic acid but dont)...and about 1.4 tsp of seaweed exteact...I think I should have added the seaweed extract at the end, correct?...it's in about 2 1.2 or 3 gal of fresh water bubbling atm...my plants are a lil over a month old except for 2 which are about a month and a half...shold I dilute the mix or feed it straight?..or did I just muck it all up from the get go..making compost tea is new to me ..iv made teas from manure and fish before but never aerated them..any help would be wonderful..thanks for reading
 
GoRealUhGro

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Oh I forgot to mention I have some high n bat guano and sea bird guano biUT I was worried that would be too much for the little plants
 
Joe Blows Trees

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Do you have some honey? It can be used as a substitute for molasses since it's also a good source of sugar. I feed mine straight, but I have seen others who dilute it so I say that's up to you.
 
GoRealUhGro

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Joe Blows Trees said:
Do you have some honey? It can be used as a substitute for molasses since it's also a good source of sugar. I feed mine straight, but I have seen others who dilute it so I say that's up to you.
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Okay..thank you ..but do you think the mix is okay or is it missing something...I have some tm-7 I got for free I was gonna try on the next batch but idk if it's a well reccomened organic suppliment...
 
Joe Blows Trees

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Personally, I don't think you're missing anything, but I'm also pretty new to teas and I'm experimenting myself. I'm actually using less than you at the moment because most of mine are in flowering, waiting on clones to root. My last tea was only EWC, kelp, alfalfa, and rock phosphate with molasses. I also add SST's to mine for a little boost.
 
GoRealUhGro

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I plan on the sst's one they are outdoors. .I ordered a few lbs of barley and alfalfa seeds. .be here next monday...I need to check on the molasses at the feed store..it's $.50 a lb but idk of its unsulphered or not
 
Rasta Roy

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I'd say your good bro!

A couple notes...if you do get some fulvic acid... Save it for your foliar feeds, use your humic acid for your teas (or any root feedings). Fulvic acid is just a humic acid that can enter through the leaves easier (that's an oversimplification).

The high N Bat Guano will be good for developed veg plants, the seabird Guano if it's the 12-12-2 it is great for a tea for your plants during their first week of flower. It gets em nice and vibrant.

And honey will work as a carbohydrate source but I would stick with Molasses as it also doubles as a source of potassium, calcium, magnesium, and iron. Or maybe it's zinc...I get em mixed around. Anyway...it's gotta be unsulphured or Blackstrap Molasses. I've used the grandma brand, the whole foods brand, and the hi-brix molasses for plants.

Of the three I'd recommend the whole foods Molasses brand. I know it seems like Molasses can't be that different but I've seen the difference.
 
GoRealUhGro

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Well my perfect looking plants now have issues ...idk if it was too many teas or the foliar of kelp me kelp you but they were perfect looking now some of the leaves are curling and turning black or brown...some look like they have a white film on them...and it looks like they have little rust spots on the leaves....I'm so fucking pissed....I washed the leaves with water and it Rained like hell yesterday so maybe that will help....it just makes me sick...they were so perfect cept for some light burn from being inside ...it may be a p deficiency. ...maybe lockout from tooany nutes?...I'd upload pics but I cat where I live
 
DonBrennon

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  • GoRealUhGro said:
    Well my perfect looking plants now have issues ...idk if it was too many teas or the foliar of kelp me kelp you but they were perfect looking now some of the leaves are curling and turning black or brown...some look like they have a white film on them...and it looks like they have little rust spots on the leaves....I'm so fucking pissed....I washed the leaves with water and it Rained like hell yesterday so maybe that will help....it just makes me sick...they were so perfect cept for some light burn from being inside ...it may be a p deficiency. ...maybe lockout from tooany nutes?...I'd upload pics but I cat where I live
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Maybe environmental shock is playing a part here, you've got to be careful moving any plants from indoors to out.

Also 1.4 cups of pellets is probably equal to about 3 cups of meal, you've gotta remember those pellets are compressed, wet one and watch it expand........so maybe nitrogen overload played it's part too.
 
Rasta Roy

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GoRealUhGro said:
Well my perfect looking plants now have issues ...idk if it was too many teas or the foliar of kelp me kelp you but they were perfect looking now some of the leaves are curling and turning black or brown...some look like they have a white film on them...and it looks like they have little rust spots on the leaves....I'm so fucking pissed....I washed the leaves with water and it Rained like hell yesterday so maybe that will help....it just makes me sick...they were so perfect cept for some light burn from being inside ...it may be a p deficiency. ...maybe lockout from tooany nutes?...I'd upload pics but I cat where I live
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Without pictures bro it's hard to know. What time of day did you foliar feed? You usually want to do right as the sun is coming up. If you do it at high noon you could burn your plants. If your soil was already charged with amendments, dumping Guano on it could burn your babies up. Gardening takes some mistakes to get right sometimes.

What's in your soil?

I've tried a handful of approaches when it comes to what's in my pots, and doing plain water vs Guano teas/nutrient feedings (nutrients for me are Fish hydroslate, and molasses).

My best results (yield wise) came from amending my soil with the amendments that gave me my trace minerals and some micronutrients (kelp, Alfalfa, rock dust, Oyster Shell Flour, and Gypsum...although I've dropped Gypsum in favor of neem meal latley), and then using Guano teas to get my macronutrients. But it's not like I had to go real heavy on the feedings, I would make a aact every third watering. And it would be diluted with 10-15 gallons of plain water before it hit the plants.
 
Rasta Roy

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greasemonkeymann said:
just remember what I said, teas too early can cause issues, in an amended soil it may not be needed yet.
And i'd do the EWC separate, a nutrient tea is different.
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I know it's best to leave the ferts out of your compost tea because it can slow down microbe production but if you're making a Guano tea, I don't see the harm in throwing in a handful of castings. I do whenever I make a Guano tea and I haven't had any negative results. Have you had any/know of any problems that could come up?
 
greasemonkeymann

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Rasta Roy said:
I know it's best to leave the ferts out of your compost tea because it can slow down microbe production but if you're making a Guano tea, I don't see the harm in throwing in a handful of castings. I do whenever I make a Guano tea and I haven't had any negative results. Have you had any/know of any problems that could come up?
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ah no, and I apologize if that was misunderstood, I don't think adding worm castings to ANYTHING is a bad idea, that shit is golden.
I was just saying if your intention was to do both at the same time it's not as effective, and better to do apart.
but sure my man... nothing wrong with adding castings at all.
that conversation was sorta a continuation to a PM conversation growreauhgro and I were having
my bad
 
GoRealUhGro

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Rasta Roy said:
Without pictures bro it's hard to know. What time of day did you foliar feed? You usually want to do right as the sun is coming up. If you do it at high noon you could burn your plants. If your soil was already charged with amendments, dumping Guano on it could burn your babies up. Gardening takes some mistakes to get right sometimes.

What's in your soil?

I've tried a handful of approaches when it comes to what's in my pots, and doing plain water vs Guano teas/nutrient feedings (nutrients for me are Fish hydroslate, and molasses).

My best results (yield wise) came from amending my soil with the amendments that gave me my trace minerals and some micronutrients (kelp, Alfalfa, rock dust, Oyster Shell Flour, and Gypsum...although I've dropped Gypsum in favor of neem meal latley), and then using Guano teas to get my macronutrients. But it's not like I had to go real heavy on the feedings, I would make a aact every third watering. And it would be diluted with 10-15 gallons of plain water before it hit the plants.
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I foliar ged them early in the morning...before sun up...and my soil is ff of... ff pm... ff lw...I added some happy frog fruit and flower and jump start ....I was gonna use rabbit poop but ended up putting it all on my compost pile. ...I have made some alfalfa. .sea brid...bat guano..worm casting...kelp extract...kelp me kelp u once for water and then for the foliar...I have prob gave them about 7 ta 9 teas...way to much....I'm thinking I locked out my p....oh I also add tm7 to eveyone tea....I just bought some cow manure compost and made a tea of that and castings after the shit git the fan...hoping it would break down the nutes faster but I do believe that was retarted....I'm going to get some pics I promise. ...I don't even wanna show em they look so shitty imo...I would of gladly showed them off before ...vibrant green...tops everywhere ...I was kind starting to lst em but I think I'm gonna wait till they get a tad bigger and cage em them go from there...the ones I did lst a lil bit responded excellent to it. . I'm hoping all the rain they got will give them a flush and them I'm just gonna make microbe teas till about June and see how that works....I'll just have to see
 
GoRealUhGro

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DonBrennon said:
Maybe environmental shock is playing a part here, you've got to be careful moving any plants from indoors to out.

Also 1.4 cups of pellets is probably equal to about 3 cups of meal, you've gotta remember those pellets are compressed, wet one and watch it expand........so maybe nitrogen overload played it's part too.
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I read that wet soil and Temps of 50 and below can lock out p too...I was putting them inside a closed old junk car at night then I quit ...so it could be a number of things
 
greasemonkeymann

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GoRealUhGro said:
I foliar ged them early in the morning...before sun up...and my soil is ff of... ff pm... ff lw...I added some happy frog fruit and flower and jump start ....I was gonna use rabbit poop but ended up putting it all on my compost pile. ...I have made some alfalfa. .sea brid...bat guano..worm casting...kelp extract...kelp me kelp u once for water and then for the foliar...I have prob gave them about 7 ta 9 teas...way to much....I'm thinking I locked out my p....oh I also add tm7 to eveyone tea....I just bought some cow manure compost and made a tea of that and castings after the shit git the fan...hoping it would break down the nutes faster but I do believe that was retarted....I'm going to get some pics I promise. ...I don't even wanna show em they look so shitty imo...I would of gladly showed them off before ...vibrant green...tops everywhere ...I was kind starting to lst em but I think I'm gonna wait till they get a tad bigger and cage em them go from there...the ones I did lst a lil bit responded excellent to it. . I'm hoping all the rain they got will give them a flush and them I'm just gonna make microbe teas till about June and see how that works....I'll just have to see
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ahhh man... that's what I was saying...
teas usually aren't needed in a good soil.
sorry to hear that my friend.
 
greasemonkeymann

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GoRealUhGro said:
I read that wet soil and Temps of 50 and below can lock out p too...I was putting them inside a closed old junk car at night then I quit ...so it could be a number of things
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wet soil can lead to acidic ph, which can lock out phosphorus, severely inhibit nitrogen assimilating bacteria rhizobia, frankia, etc.
also too much potassium, magnesium, etc, can and will lock out calcium.
gotta get those books I was telling you to buy man, those are golden
 
GoRealUhGro

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greasemonkeymann said:
wet soil can lead to acidic ph, which can lock out phosphorus, severely inhibit nitrogen assimilating bacteria rhizobia, frankia, etc.
also too much potassium, magnesium, etc, can and will lock out calcium.
gotta get those books I was telling you to buy man, those are golden
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I downloaded teaming with microbes. .but I want to get the books...what do u think the best thing would be to do....would boosting microbes help or maybe a fush....it looks like I have tiny rust spots on some leaves and mostly the lower leaves are brittle and have a black to red tint....curling downward too
 
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