is dabbing vaporizing or smoking?

Gquebed

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I made an account here just so I can reply to this thread... I know it is a very old one, and the baby is probably born and very healthy now, but I feel like my respond would be much appreciated.

Hi, I am a regularly marijuana user for a rare type of insomnia. When I was born and diagnosed with this case, doctors were shocked that I was even born. You see, the type of insomnia that I have has only been evident in infant deaths. What happens is that once this trait is visible in the unborn, he/she wakes up to death, and sometimes kills the mom too. Researchers around the world were interested.

I was born in Iran, and my family smokes hashish frequently. During my moms pregnancy with me, she smoked hashish full of shit in a hookah with burning hot charcoals on top. When this was found out, all funds for researchers backed up. However, I am hundred percent positive that this was the reason I am alive today.

I was 5 years old when we moved out of Iran, and lived in Europe (Due to religion). Not much did we know o the racism in Austria, where I remember being bullied all the time, and beat up. On a typical day, my instructor would call me up and say, "If you are going to take terrorist actions, go back to your country," for fake punching my best friend in mid air while laughing after he had started it. I knew exactly what she was saying, and my exact words were "I've never been to my own country, BITCH" in German while laughing. This was when I was 7 years old... I got kicked out of the school. When I look back, I wonder why I had never committed suicide or something; I fucking had a hard life as a child in Austria. Imagine living in a huge house from the begging of your life and going to your dad's manufacturing company after school with your friends to play soccer in the huge place, and all in a sudden, I was living in a single unit with my brother and both parents. Our Bathtub and toilet was in the kitchen so you couldn't use both at the same time. Yet, I was such a happy kid. Always had fun, even though it was just with my little brother in that house.

Today, I have been in the states for the past 9 years. I am 19 year old, and I am ivy league university Graduate Student studying Aerospace Engineering. I am VERY ahead of my colleagues, and while part of it is because I have taken advantage of my insomnia, I feel like using cannabis every single day since I was born (as edibles) has helped me be very creative, especially in my field.

I hate how the cannabis culture is SOOO degraded. Why the FUCK do you guys call it MARIJUANAA or weed or some shit?? IT's fucking Cannabis, get it right. people ask me do you smoke weed? I tell them, "No, but I do inhaling pure cannabis resin gland extract (Co2 extract, which is very pure there is nothing left in it besides the actual plant oil because carbon dioxide just evaporates at normal room temperature, and either way it's just fucking carbon dioxide, what you breath out and plants (like cannabis) breath and give back oxygen to you) through a water pipe, while contacting the oil on a pre-heated Titanium or Quartz nail with a titanium tool for its medical and/or psychoactive property. No, it is not bad for you... or me... or any other person; in fact, it is beneficial, and if you're not convinced, I'd love to help you better understand.

By the way, I am also a competitive swimmer and water polo player. Which worked out great, because while I was supposed to be a freshman in high school, I was actually a senior, so I played on the senior team and honestly, they were all smaller than me. Not just my teammates, like every single person within my league. Oh, by the way, I have a CIF Championship ring ;) beat it mathafuckaaas.

Oh and also, I have never drank a sip of alcohol or taken a toke of ANYTHING but cannabis. Some other stuff I NEVER use is sugar substitute, high fructose corn syrup, and many many other things. I very nutritional, that why I only inhale the best of the best hashish.

hey vacpurgeee mathaafuckerrr... i HOPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE your child dies before birth due to ur wife using dishsoap. and ur wife alongside... oh and common, you'll need to kill yourself after seeing that happen, no? Yes you will :) becuaseee your a weak pussyyyyyy. Fuck of this world RETARD! and suck a bag of dicks while your at it.

This is my typical night eating my middle eastern dish after long hours of studying and few dabs ;)

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Ingesting cannabis is not bad for you???? That is child talk.

Think again.

Every drug has its benefits and there is always a trade off, a down side. And so does cannabis just like all other drugs known to man. Anybody who has used cannabis regulalrly for many years knows this and what those downsides are. While there may be no official longterm scientific studies to go by, the Dutch, who have had very liberal cannabis laws for decades now, have plenty of empirical medical evidence to prove the ill effects of using cannabis.

I have been smoking weed regularly for over forty years. I would likely not have lived without it, for several reasons. But believe me....there is a downside... the fact that you dont want to admit that is either willful ignorance or dellusion. Pick one.

Aa for dabbing on a nail. Dont delude yourself there either. It is combustion and it is carbon/smoke you are inhaling. Period.
 

Fadedawg

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The ignorance here is unbelievable. Whether you are dabbing or using a so called vaporizer...what is happ3ning in all cases is combustion, meaning the wax, shatter, bho..all of it is being burned and what you are inhaling is smoke.

The only difference with extracts is that only the trichomes are being burned. Even with bud vaporizers... just enough heat to combust the trichomes but inevitably some of the leaf calyx and stem burns too.

And to get high heat at a comustible degree is required for the chemical reaction to take place (which is to change thca to thc, which is the psychoactive part). From a scientific standpoint vaporizing for weed has still not been invented yet.
Ummmm, how hot is your nail????

Vaporizing is typically done below combustion temperature, which is why it is called vaporizing. Vapors are simply a gaseous state of matter, produced by boiling (steam), not pyrolysis (smoke).

Here is a Granny Storm Crow list link on cannabis and pregnancy, starting on about page 639.

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/GSCListJan2014CONDITIONS.pdf
 

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Gquebed

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Ummmm, how hot is your nail????

Vaporizing is typically done below combustion temperature, which is why it is called vaporizing. Vapors are simply a gaseous state of matter, produced by boiling (steam), not pyrolysis (smoke).

Here is a Granny Storm Crow list link on cannabis and pregnancy, starting on about page 639.

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/GSCListJan2014CONDITIONS.pdf[/QUOT
Ummmm, how hot is your nail????

Vaporizing is typically done below combustion temperature, which is why it is called vaporizing. Vapors are simply a gaseous state of matter, produced by boiling (steam), not pyrolysis (smoke).

Here is a Granny Storm Crow list link on cannabis and pregnancy, starting on about page 639.

http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/GSCListJan2014CONDITIONS.pdf
I dont dab.

Heating a nail to red hot as i have seen so much on the interweb is far beyond the temp needed for combustion. Vaporizors like the volcano are the same.

Make no mistake... it is combustion. Also, the temp required to change thca in the trichs to psychoactive thc is far above combustion temp to. If you dont combust you dont get high. It is that simple.
 

Rrog

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Lol. FadeDawg has the winning answer.

Combustion does not occur below 451F. Or so. Obviously evolving vapor at a lower temperature would not be combustion

Decarboxylation starts at 240F. Or so. It is not necessary to combust to get high
 

qwizoking

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again.....see previous post.

why respond if you dont know what Your talking about

combustion occurs significantly lower, inhibiting thcv and other relatively high bp compounds from being released. everyone thats used a vape has noted the nutty taste..

decarboxylation simply requires heat. speeding as temps increase disproportionate to the break down of other compouds with increased temps. heat meaning any at all. room temp will suffice in a matter of months while 210° is measured in minutes . if i dont have the means i decarb over a double boil, holding a steady ~210.
 

Rrog

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Google the temperature of combustion. It's not significantly below 451F

My comment above should be amended to read "instant decarbox occurs at higher temps"

People get baked while vaping. Pretty sure
 

qwizoking

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its significant in that many desired compounds boil just below the number you mentioned..i gave thcv as an example.

instant decarb does not occur at higher temps..well of course it does, but also once its reached temps high enough to vaporize. or as you said, nobody would be getting high vaping
 

Gquebed

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Lol. FadeDawg has the winning answer.

Combustion does not occur below 451F. Or so. Obviously evolving vapor at a lower temperature would not be combustion

Decarboxylation starts at 240F. Or so. It is not necessary to combust to get high

Hahahahahahahahqhahahahahhahah....moron
 

Rrog

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Vaporizing is also time / temp dependent. Over time volatile oils evaporate on their own. Heat just speeds it. Just like decarbox

Not sure what the prob is. Things can Vaporize before combustion
 

Gquebed

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Not seeing the humor. I am seeing child-like behavior
Combustion occurrs a different temps for different substances. To say it doesnt happen below 451deg is childlike...or just plain dumb.

Also, with the amount of heat that people are using on their nails to dab i wonder if the correct term would be sublimation rather than vaporization.

Either way it is still burning... the vaporizing term was just used to mollify legislators. Same with E-cigs. Still combustion.
 

Gquebed

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IE: tobacco combusts at around 900f. And yet my buddy's Davinci vaporizor that is supposed to vaporize at around 300f actually lit my cigarette.

I lit a smoke with a Gpen too. So...what theyre selling just isnt true...

The other thing is.... i would like to see how long it would take to truly vaporize just a small bit of wax or bud or oil at a true 300f ....i would bet far longer than anyone would tolerate to get a small lung full of truly vaped trichs...
 

gk skunky

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I'm starting to think someone has never dabbed or used a vaporizer..... or understand gaseous evolution. Just look at the end herb product after vaping. If done at the correct temperature should be golden brown plant matter and some visible trich stalks. No combustion. Then for shits and giggles go try and smoke that vaped bud. Oh what's that it tasted horrible and didn't get you high. Oh yeah because all the good stuff was vaporized away. Combustion is cascading runaway reaction that does not stop until smothered or no fuel to drive it. You bring herbs up to combustion temps with a vape what do you get? The same thing a lighter would a black pile of carbon soot. Sorry @Gquebed you are wrong. Entirely wrong. At least from what I know. Now I'm no chemist but I do have a bachelor's in chemistry and physics minor along with biology and molecular pathology degrees. While i don't know everything I do have a fairly decent grasp of the subject. So what is it scientifically you know we don't and how did you come to that conclusion?
 

gk skunky

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G pen uses a stove top element and yes it easily overheats and no variable voltage on the g pen my buddy had. That doesn't mean vaporization doesn't exist. LOL
 

Gquebed

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I fully understand the theory of vaping and the science behind it but what i am saying is that in reality that is not what is happening. It is combustion. Nobody would have the patience for truly vaping and that is why the products sold dont truly vaporize. They work on combustion to satisfy the customer but they are sold on the false pretence of vaporizing.
 

CC Dobbs

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1. there is no combustion involved in smoking off a nail, other than the torch used to heat the nail. youre vaporizing it, and its also creating smoke. no doubt about that.

and 2. if she cant hold off for 9 simple fucking months to avoid having a retarded baby, you shouldnt even be having a kid in the first fucking place. this is why people should need IQ tests to have kids!!!! call me an asshole, I dont give a fuck, your kid will thank me in the future for this. if you think you can find a loophole in the system that allows you to smoke while pregnant just because youre doing it off a nail and not smoking a joint, youre in for a rude awakening. you wont be taking care of your kid for just 18 years, youll be looking after it for the rest of his life if it comes out with something seriously wrong with it because of the THC going through its system from her smoking 80% fucking THC.

Fucking retard is wrong on just about everything you said.
 
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