If the Democrats Don't Learn This Lesson, They Deserve to Lose Forever

Fogdog

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Are Sanders supporters upset that black people are winning as progressive Democrats in the south? If we can win mayoral race in Jackson Mississippi, we can win anywhere. Why the glum faces, @st0wandgrow , @ttystikk , @Padawanbater2 ? Are you afraid your white rights are going to be trashed?

I'm curious what you think about the last part of the article in the original post, where the author said:

Or, if you insist on overthinking yourselves into paralysis, turn Nina Turner and the people allied with her loose and then come in at the end—cooperatively, mind you—and drown the race with money and ads. And if the Our Revolution people hold back because they don’t want somebody on the Internet to get mad at them for “selling out,” they should tell that person to shut up and dance. This is too important.

Not being interested in Our Revolution inside politics, I don't understand the authors reference. What was he talking about? Would you be upset if the Democratic Party came in at the end of Alabama's Senatorial race and drowned it with money and ads and the Democratic Party's candidate -- a progressive and civil rights lawyer who prosecuted perpetrators of 16th Street Baptist Church bombing -- for senator won?
 
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st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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Fogdog said:
Are Sanders supporters upset that black people are winning as progressive Democrats in the south? If we can win mayoral race in Jackson Mississippi, we can win anywhere. Why the glum faces, @st0wandgrow , @ttystikk , @Padawanbater2 ? Are you afraid your white rights are going to be trashed?
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???

That’s a silly question Foggy. Why on earth would I be opposed to someone running for office over the color of their skin?

Are you just looking for attention? I hate to say that, but I can’t come up with any other logical explanation for a post like that.
 
Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
???

That’s a silly question Foggy. Why on earth would I be opposed to someone running for office over the color of their skin?

Are you just looking for attention? I hate to say that, but I can’t come up with any other logical explanation for a post like that.
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OK so then you aren't a racist shitbag.

Tell me, in light of the recent successes in the south by black mayoral candidates, what do you think of the theory that social justice should be kicked to the curb before we can expect Democrats to win elections?
 
st0wandgrow

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Fogdog said:
OK so then you aren't a racist shitbag.

Tell me, in light of the recent successes in the south by black mayoral candidates, what do you think of the theory that social justice should be kicked to the curb before we can expect Democrats to win elections?
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Hmmm, I don’t recall ever saying something like that, so I’m not sure why you’re asking me? But, to answer your question, I don’t feel that it should be kicked to the curb. Social justice issues alone won’t win an election, so I’d like to see a strong stance on economic policies along side social justice issues, but no, they shouldn’t be disregarded.
 
Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
Hmmm, I don’t recall ever saying something like that, so I’m not sure why you’re asking me? But, to answer your question, I don’t feel that it should be kicked to the curb. Social justice issues alone won’t win an election, so I’d like to see a strong stance on economic policies along side social justice issues, but no, they shouldn’t be disregarded.
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You support Sanders who is and always has skirted racial politics as a Senator. But OK, you aren't @Padawanbater2 and I do unfairly lump you to together.

I'll just ask this: why did you think I'd be bothered by progressives winning their elections in the south?
 
st0wandgrow

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Fogdog said:
I'll just ask this: why did you think I'd be bothered by progressives winning their elections in the south?
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Because Bernie supported these guys (he campaigned for, and recorded a robocall for one of them), and you have made it very clear that you don’t like Sanders, even going so far as to call him racist. Considering that, it’s not much of a leap to conclude that you would not support candidates that he is in support of.
 
Fogdog

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st0wandgrow said:
Because Bernie supported these guys (he campaigned for, and recorded a robocall for one of them), and you have made it very clear that you don’t like Sanders, even going so far as to call him racist. Considering that, it’s not much of a leap to conclude that you would not support candidates that he is in support of.
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I don't know that Sanders is racist. Like many white liberals he has difficulty talking about racial issues. He still isn't trying to establish connection with black and brown voters.

Where I came to decide he was deliberately avoiding racial politics in favor of systemic racism comes from three things he's done or not done recently. In December, 2016, he was recorded in a town hall interview saying that "people are tired of politically correct rhetoric" and then provided a bizarre and false explanation of what politically correct rhetoric is. The unity tour with DNC chairman Perez was anything but that, he definitely wasn't trying to build bridges with Democrats including 40% of the base that are black and brown. Finally some quotes from him about supporting conservatives who support anti-abortion measures and a statement about supporting conservatives by one of the groups that spun off from Bernie's campaign. This, on top of his ignoring 40% of the Democratic party's base leads me to agree with that base that Bernie isn't a good candidate for president.

That said, if his reform movement becomes more than what Bernie is proposing, then I'm in agreement with the reform movement that has sprouted up around him. It's not a "revolution" but it is a good reform movement.
 
londonfog

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Fogdog said:
I don't know that Sanders is racist. Like many white liberals he has difficulty talking about racial issues. He still isn't trying to establish connection with black and brown voters.

Where I came to decide he was deliberately avoiding racial politics in favor of systemic racism comes from three things he's done or not done recently. In December, 2016, he was recorded in a town hall interview saying that "people are tired of politically correct rhetoric" and then provided a bizarre and false explanation of what politically correct rhetoric is. The unity tour with DNC chairman Perez was anything but that, he definitely wasn't trying to build bridges with Democrats including 40% of the base that are black and brown. Finally some quotes from him about supporting conservatives who support anti-abortion measures and a statement about supporting conservatives by one of the groups that spun off from Bernie's campaign. This, on top of his ignoring 40% of the Democratic party's base leads me to agree with that base that Bernie isn't a good candidate for president.

That said, if his reform movement becomes more than what Bernie is proposing, then I'm in agreement with the reform movement that has sprouted up around him. It's not a "revolution" but it is a good reform movement.
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STFU Bernie says you are white and you don't know what it is like to live in the Ghetto my brother
 
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