Chronikool
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Lovely looking girls for the latest round bruv...
The right people will find the thread....post it in the LED section...
Greengenes Apache AT600 Garden- Blackberry Kush
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The right people will find the thread....post it in the LED section...
Greengenes707
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I want HID growers to see it, but your right, the correct people will find it no matter where. And either way it turns out will probably be look at after for a little as some evidence...which is what the whole project is for. So I will probably just post it here. I would never see it in that section...I'm a "LED and other lighting" junky.
Will probably just veg log for now here...then repost and update towards the flip...no one like a to click on thread called "600w led vs 1000w hps" and then it's on week 2 of veg with no flower action for a while ...boner kill.
So this thread lives on for a little, but the documentation is still just as detailed.
Will probably just veg log for now here...then repost and update towards the flip...no one like a to click on thread called "600w led vs 1000w hps" and then it's on week 2 of veg with no flower action for a while ...boner kill.
So this thread lives on for a little, but the documentation is still just as detailed.
Greengenes707
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Things are just chugging along nicely for me...
[video=youtube;qBo_9Jg4Cgg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBo_9Jg4Cgg[/video]
[video=youtube;qBo_9Jg4Cgg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBo_9Jg4Cgg[/video]
wyteberrywidow
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I thought you would've posted a new thread for that. Chugging along is right
gk skunky
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^^^^THIS.
Also you don't want to let coco dry out as much as you would soil, it seems due to that cation exchange that if you dry out too much it will raise the EC and then when you feed again you can more easily burn your plants. But GG, you're 100% correct in your thinking that what you are seeing on the leafs looks like Mg. Either supplement or get coco specific nutes. Not sure what you are feeding with, I caught what you are foliar feeding with. You could add some epsom salt to that foliar feed if you wanted. But either way either coco specific nutes, cal-mag, or some other form of Ca supplement. I knew a guy that would even use cleaned crushed up egg shells in his mix because as you add acidic nutes the calcium carbonate shell dissolve and releases Ca.
Positivity
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GO Biothrive can make super healthy plants in coco. I use 5ml grow and 5ml bloom with their calmag and floranectar to get the Mg and Ca up. Floranectar is schweeeeet. Same mix veg or flower...I just add a bloom booster in flower. Just some ideas...your last grow looked primo so you probably don't need much help there.
love your grows, definitely some of the nicest herb I've seen yet from led. Little more height on the tops and the yield should be big.
love your grows, definitely some of the nicest herb I've seen yet from led. Little more height on the tops and the yield should be big.
Greengenes707
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I thought about it, but iPhoto was acting up and I want it to be jam packed with content from the start. Next time
I was 99% already about the Mg, and was treating already...I just ask to get opinions. I come into this grow knowing all about coco and it's calmg needs. Babysit a few pure coco gardens plus my research.
CalMg has always been apart of my feeding regiment and I have upped the dose a tad for this grow(for the feeding in the 1g's already). The reason they were showing is because they didn't get any feed at/after the transplants to 5gals. I washed the coco and cut/mixed the soil same day so it was relatively wet/moist...but in the few days since the transplant the roots exploded(coming out pots already) before I could feed for the first time so the were showing. They were responding to the foliar and loved the feeding last night.
Super soil is the best I have grown with, but it's been a while since I mixed a batch. But when it comes to bottled, GO has treated me right.
My feed line is
GO's Grow & Bloom
GO's CalMg
Gorwmore seaweed extract
Boogie Brew veganic compost tea + Aloe puree
Possibly MOAB for late boost(still debating, but since in so coco bias, probably)
You noticed it!!Yep from a specially delicious avocado. I meant to talk about it. It's root is about 1 1/2" already. I started it in a window, but moved it out to the room because the temps are so good.
Ya, I'm going to feed them well, big growing girls.Get ready for blast off GG
Also what 1000w ballast are you buying to run with the horti???
good luck and be safe brother
The HPS will be a Hortilux super hps, in a raptor hood for sure. The ballast might change but originally was going to be a phantom. But a lumatek might happen instead. I will know for sure later in the week. Either way it will be a top notch one, just matters what I get the hook on...since Hps isn't my priority(but still needs to be a good one), I'm trying shop around.
HSO's blue dream is a great strain from what I have seen. And I have heard it is back crossed a few times...and I know they used the real cut. But to me blue dream is a pheno of (blueberry x haze). But there are other phenos too. Some are better(based on opinion) than the original yet definitely have some variation. But some are close too. I have also see an pheno that is dead on for the most part...I almost bough cuts of it...but wanted the original so I asked otherwise it's would have been specified. He was straight forward about it but to me it's just not BD. I saw the samples and it was really nice and close.
My opinion is that blue dream is a clone only and the name shouldn't be used by any company unless specifying that it's a Bx...but even then, honestly should just be called something else's. But it still a great cross of genetics with great potential for yields, potency, and special traits(like color or secret unknown aromas), and all together even.
I feel the same way about OG, but too late for that for that one. They could have called it kush all they want...but there are only 3 that should be called OG(Tahoe, Larry, SFV).
Ya, it should be fun. I don't expect anything to dominate. My goal for great success is to have an equal or super freaking close yield(<10%) while boosting the quality. But if the AT decides it wants to dominate, I won't hold it back(same for the hps...it going to be the best and truest test possible).
Greengenes707
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I got some pic from apache. They have all the spectrums for the AT600 in. Even Red/Blue if your into that.
I tested the 600 with all 50*s. It allows you to run it at 24" like I ran it at 32"-36". Not quiet as good on the exterior actually, but not too bad. AT tested it too, they were really hyped on it, but I want to see the numbers. So that just proved my point to him that 28(60*ish in normal talk) is important and will solve everything, lower hanging while maintaining outer coverage. I will say with the 50*'s it a super even and no major peak coverage...pretty steady.
Pics from apache's testing, all at 24" I believe...
R2 with all 50* lenses
R1 with all 14's
Red/Blue all 14*'s
This next one is really cool. Sometimes when there is so much good white light, even when it's super intense, and hps seems to cover more even when the numbers show the light out there is the same or worse. They say that they can just see it(not very scientific). I think that is because of the contrast/irregularity of hps's yellow/orange, that it seems to light up things. Well when you look at this you will see the same effect with led's because of the contrast...
There is nothing on in the whole shop other than ONE at600....that is a 20'x30 chamber.
used to feel the same way that the RB was brighter than the R2 when it first came out, and white were relative new. µmols are basically the same, actually favoring the whites so you can see that it just a mind game(still a shit ton of µmols), but sure looks cool.
I tested the 600 with all 50*s. It allows you to run it at 24" like I ran it at 32"-36". Not quiet as good on the exterior actually, but not too bad. AT tested it too, they were really hyped on it, but I want to see the numbers. So that just proved my point to him that 28(60*ish in normal talk) is important and will solve everything, lower hanging while maintaining outer coverage. I will say with the 50*'s it a super even and no major peak coverage...pretty steady.
Pics from apache's testing, all at 24" I believe...
R2 with all 50* lenses
R1 with all 14's
Red/Blue all 14*'s
This next one is really cool. Sometimes when there is so much good white light, even when it's super intense, and hps seems to cover more even when the numbers show the light out there is the same or worse. They say that they can just see it(not very scientific). I think that is because of the contrast/irregularity of hps's yellow/orange, that it seems to light up things. Well when you look at this you will see the same effect with led's because of the contrast...
There is nothing on in the whole shop other than ONE at600....that is a 20'x30 chamber.
used to feel the same way that the RB was brighter than the R2 when it first came out, and white were relative new. µmols are basically the same, actually favoring the whites so you can see that it just a mind game(still a shit ton of µmols), but sure looks cool.
Greengenes707
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And some of my garden of course...
The girls are just loving life. I pruned up some of the lower portion and got a few clones. I didn't get many though. Almost evey branch is strong and competing up at the top canopy. Training is going well.
Speaking of training, I have been thinking of using the trellised tomato rings again. The plants are just tall enough or I can just cut the stakes downs a couple inches to speed them out more now. I put one on for a second so you can see...
The girls are just loving life. I pruned up some of the lower portion and got a few clones. I didn't get many though. Almost evey branch is strong and competing up at the top canopy. Training is going well.
Speaking of training, I have been thinking of using the trellised tomato rings again. The plants are just tall enough or I can just cut the stakes downs a couple inches to speed them out more now. I put one on for a second so you can see...
Scotch089
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Thanks for the update at AT G!! Ive been thinking about giving them a shout for a few weeks now, but want to hold out and am teetering with the new 51 model around the corner..
kickass news about the lenses, have to completely agree on the super even-ness..-less-ness of the 50* (no 'root..... THATs bored <--)
That R1 spectrum looks SWEET ((for veg/early 12)) love the warm hue, and you know that fucker still has enough blue to keep you stout.
So you think theyre finally gonna try it out and run mulitple angles? 14+30's?
O... and any word on somethin new? Dont want to spend the change if there is a change a comin!!
Hope you are doing well brother, girls look great.
kickass news about the lenses, have to completely agree on the super even-ness..-less-ness of the 50* (no 'root..... THATs bored <--)
That R1 spectrum looks SWEET ((for veg/early 12)) love the warm hue, and you know that fucker still has enough blue to keep you stout.
So you think theyre finally gonna try it out and run mulitple angles? 14+30's?
O... and any word on somethin new? Dont want to spend the change if there is a change a comin!!
Hope you are doing well brother, girls look great.
Chronikool
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Lookz like another 'Wizardry Wonder' in the workz'
I alwayz seem to miss certain peoples updates (what i deem the 'LED-CORE group'...now people are wondering if they fall into it
) Sometimes itz hard to just find a journal rather then 'i have a 1000 foot by 2000 foot circus tent....would a 225 led 13w panel grow 300 plantz...im after 400 pound of dank'...Newbie with 2 weeks experience of Chinese quality chimes in: 'yeah mate, i have 1 of those, workz well...' Johny'z 'next top grower' comes back in 3 weeks....'LED's suck'
Hope i havent disuaded anyone from posting...asking for help...
