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Porky101

Porky101

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boilingoil said:
Pre-charged, I only add a cal-mag product for the first few watering's after that ,there is enough in my hydroponic formula to see them through.
It's hard for me to believe that you water every 15 min and have trouble with deficiencies. What's you're nutrient profile like?
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I am custom making my own chemical ferts...this is my first run...I am still playing with the formula.....My bloom formula is:

N (NO3-) 206.113 71.8% +/- 0%
K 269.145 -10.3% +/- 0%
P 158.955 32.5% +/- 0%
Mg 110 0% +/- 0%
Ca 259.817 -18.8% +/- 0%
S 145.584 127.5% +/- 0%
Fe 2.5 0% +/- 0.1%
Zn 0.1 0% +/- 3.3%
B 0.5 0% +/- 0.2%
Cu 0.2 0% +/- 1.3%
Mo 0.1 0% +/- 4%
Na 0.58 0% +/- 0%
Si 0 0% +/- 0%
Cl 0 0% +/- 0%
Mn 0.5 0% +/- 0.7%
N (NH4+) 0 0% +/- 0%


Now I know it may seem high in N for bloom nutes, but that is because I have pumped it with extra Calcium for the Coco. MG is pretty high too, for coco...


N is not my main element, CA is, even in my GROW mix. For whatever reason my COCO clings to the CA and MG!!

When I say deficient, I mean a few leaves out of hundreds of leaves....but I want to perfect my formula...I want ALL green leaves:D
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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ttystikk said:
Funny. All you guys bitching about coco in a lighting thread.

LED kills HID. Finished. By the time LED is cheaper than HID, weed will be too.

Place your bets, gentlemen.
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Oh for fucks sake... you had to throw some gas on the fire!
Some people agree with you and some do not.
Personally, I have no idea because I've never tried COB lighting. Since you have used both with success, I believe you.
 
Porky101

Porky101

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ttystikk said:
Funny. All you guys bitching about coco in a lighting thread.

LED kills HID. Finished. By the time LED is cheaper than HID, weed will be too.

Place your bets, gentlemen.
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Until its actually cheaper then HID, then no...cost is a barrier to entry, meaning it does not "kill" it.

The Sun kills your COB. Its FREE, its BETTER....so go grow outdoors.

Im just showing you what you sound like everytime you make a post like that:)
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Porky101 said:
I am custom making my own chemical ferts...this is my first run...I am still playing with the formula.....My bloom formula is:

N (NO3-) 206.113 71.8% +/- 0%
K 269.145 -10.3% +/- 0%
P 158.955 32.5% +/- 0%
Mg 110 0% +/- 0%
Ca 259.817 -18.8% +/- 0%
S 145.584 127.5% +/- 0%
Fe 2.5 0% +/- 0.1%
Zn 0.1 0% +/- 3.3%
B 0.5 0% +/- 0.2%
Cu 0.2 0% +/- 1.3%
Mo 0.1 0% +/- 4%
Na 0.58 0% +/- 0%
Si 0 0% +/- 0%
Cl 0 0% +/- 0%
Mn 0.5 0% +/- 0.7%
N (NH4+) 0 0% +/- 0%


Now I know it may seem high in N for bloom nutes, but that is because I have pumped it with extra Calcium for the Coco. MG is pretty high too, for coco...


N is not my main element, CA is, even in my GROW mix. For whatever reason my COCO clings to the CA and MG!!

When I say deficient, I mean a few leaves out of hundreds of leaves....but I want to perfect my formula...I want ALL green leaves:D
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Is the highlighted value correct?
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Porky101 said:
Until its actually cheaper then HID, then no...cost is a barrier to entry, meaning it does not "kill" it.

The Sun kills your COB. Its FREE, its BETTER....so go grow outdoors.

Im just showing you what you sound like everytime you make a post like that:)
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There's always a lot of bargain HID gear on craigslist.
 
boilingoil

boilingoil

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You need to balance that a little better, you're over feeding cal and mag, and under feeding on K and P. And why are you adding sodium into the mix.
 
HydoDan

HydoDan

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Porky101 said:
I dont need to research on google for other peoples experiances, I water my plants in coco for 12 hours a day. (15 minutes watering and 15 minutes break).

All my plants are still alive despite being watered almost continuously. Incredible aint it?? I mean, how could I possibly defy Google????]
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I think I finally learned something from this ongoing nightmare of a thread... I've done Dwc for about 10 years..
Soil and synthetic before that.. now I'm doing organic soil.. always wondered about coco.. if you read thru all the bullshit
you guys told me a lot of what I didn't get.. And then showed me a pic of the grow.. Thanks
 
Porky101

Porky101

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boilingoil said:
You need to balance that a little better, you're over feeding cal and mag, and under feeding on K and P. And why are you adding sodium into the mix.
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I know I do....this is a work in progress....I welcome any advice in this area, this is my first time making my own nutes and using them.

You say I am over feeding cal mag, I am still deficient and I am adding ADDITIONAL cal mag to my reservoir, the only reason why I dont raise it further is because I am using calcium nitrate and I dont want too much N.

I think I have enough K in there?
I think I have enough P too?

I know I have too much N for flower, again my issue is the Calcium.

I plan to do a week 5 of only PK...

Thanks:)
 
Porky101

Porky101

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HydoDan said:
I think I finally learned something from this ongoing nightmare of a thread... I've done Dwc for about 10 years..
Soil and synthetic before that.. now I'm doing organic soil.. always wondered about coco.. if you read thru all the bullshit
you guys told me a lot of what I didn't get.. And then showed me a pic of the grow.. Thanks
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lol...your right, start with pics first next time:)
 
Porky101

Porky101

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boilingoil said:
Yes, and it should be around the 30ppm mark for flowering not 145
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The sulfur comes from the Magnesium sulphate (Epson salts)....

I have always added plenty of epson salts to my res, increasing sulfur to 100-300PPM, with no ill effects.

Whoever uses CAL-MAG does the same to their res aswell.

I dont see that as an issue?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Porky101 said:
Until its actually cheaper then HID, then no...cost is a barrier to entry, meaning it does not "kill" it.

The Sun kills your COB. Its FREE, its BETTER....so go grow outdoors.

Im just showing you what you sound like everytime you make a post like that:)
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Ask anyone who gripes under the sun; it is anything but free.

I'm unconvinced sunlight is better; you can't regulate its brightness, spectrum, timing or regularity.

Just because cost of entry is low doesn't mean it's automatically the low cost option throughout the life cycle. I'll let you do the math.

Better quality and more yield- don't forget these in those numbers.
 
Porky101

Porky101

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ttystikk said:
Ask anyone who gripes under the sun; it is anything but free.

I'm unconvinced sunlight is better; you can't regulate its brightness, spectrum, timing or regularity.

Just because cost of entry is low doesn't mean it's automatically the low cost option throughout the life cycle. I'll let you do the math.

Better quality and more yield- don't forget these in those numbers.
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Relax bro:)

I agree with you, COB is the future.....

Thats the problem though....


future....:D
 
Big smo

Big smo

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Porky101 said:
I am custom making my own chemical ferts...this is my first run...I am still playing with the formula.....My bloom formula is:

N (NO3-) 206.113 71.8% +/- 0%
K 269.145 -10.3% +/- 0%
P 158.955 32.5% +/- 0%
Mg 110 0% +/- 0%
Ca 259.817 -18.8% +/- 0%
S 145.584 127.5% +/- 0%
Fe 2.5 0% +/- 0.1%
Zn 0.1 0% +/- 3.3%
B 0.5 0% +/- 0.2%
Cu 0.2 0% +/- 1.3%
Mo 0.1 0% +/- 4%
Na 0.58 0% +/- 0%
Si 0 0% +/- 0%
Cl 0 0% +/- 0%
Mn 0.5 0% +/- 0.7%
N (NH4+) 0 0% +/- 0%


Now I know it may seem high in N for bloom nutes, but that is because I have pumped it with extra Calcium for the Coco. MG is pretty high too, for coco...


N is not my main element, CA is, even in my GROW mix. For whatever reason my COCO clings to the CA and MG!!

When I say deficient, I mean a few leaves out of hundreds of leaves....but I want to perfect my formula...I want ALL green leaves:D
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What are you using for the magnesium additive? I use sugar daddy and it's expensive
 
Porky101

Porky101

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Epson salts / Magnesium Sulphate

I bought a ton on craigslist from some dude...I have enough for....10 years:)

Got it for like 50 bucks...hehe
 
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