Flush or not

chuck estevez

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Ok CHUck. You ever think to help a guy out. Say like this....

Okay man, so you starter off with this.... Like the chuCK method. She does this"" then when the end is near you do like chuck says, which is.....? Idk. Do you have a taint connecting your right hand to your green thumb?
drink much?
 

Alienwidow

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What are you talking about? Your useless. See? U-s-e-l-e-s-s...the force of yodas ghost helps more than your informationless posts. I have never heard you say anything insightfull in years. Maybe im looking in the wrong spot, get an opinion of your own cause, herd following gets you nowhere. Is there a chucks fan page? Cause you sure let everyone know what chuck doesnt like. How about you tell us what you like and do so we can grow like you? Or is the ridicule more fun than explaining you just dont know?
 

althor

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It sounds like it has been settled many times: flushing depends on individual variables such as how strong you've been feeding, synthetic or organic, whether you prefer stronger flavor notes (which may be interpreted by some to be harshness) or milder smoke (which may be interpreted by some to not be as flavorful).

And then someone mentions the topic and it turns into "you shouldn't have to because I never do." :)
Best post in the entire thread.
 

chuck estevez

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What are you talking about? Your useless. See? U-s-e-l-e-s-s...the force of yodas ghost helps more than your informationless posts. I have never heard you say anything insightfull in years. Maybe im looking in the wrong spot, get an opinion of your own cause, herd following gets you nowhere. Is there a chucks fan page? Cause you sure let everyone know what chuck doesnt like. How about you tell us what you like and do so we can grow like you? Or is the ridicule more fun than explaining you just dont know?
Lmfao, YOU'RE Useless and butthurt. I have a whole fan club of butthurt people just like you

 
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jebus2029

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So you're saying if I lower N, Cal, and Mag towards the end then flushing is not necessary? It would be good to keep feeding the plant and boost the yield at the end. If that is the case then I can also see how the idea of flushing had become so mainstream. If you didn't lower them then flushing can actually help. So maybe flushing is dependent upon feeding regiment and types of fertilizers.
 

Alienwidow

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So you're saying if I lower N, Cal, and Mag towards the end then flushing is not necessary? It would be good to keep feeding the plant and boost the yield at the end. If that is the case then I can also see how the idea of flushing had become so mainstream. If you didn't lower them then flushing can actually help. So maybe flushing is dependent upon feeding regiment and types of fertilizers.
What chuck is failing to tell you is that the plant eats much less at the end anyway. So cutting down on everything is a good idea. You can call it flushing if you want but its just that the plant isnt feeding so your wasteing the fertilizer by pouring it in there. Like kicking a dead horse. Keep feeding just feed at a lower rate.
 

jebus2029

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there are a few "myths" out there about boosting THC at the end too. I say "myths" because I don't know if they are true or not. The first is that starving at the end causes them to produce more THC. The other is putting them into complete darkness for the last few days. Supposedly they both boost THC as a protective measure. Any truth to these? Will the plant produce more THC when things go kinda screwy for her?
 

Alienwidow

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there are a few "myths" out there about boosting THC at the end too. I say "myths" because I don't know if they are true or not. The first is that starving at the end causes them to produce more THC. The other is putting them into complete darkness for the last few days. Supposedly they both boost THC as a protective measure. Any truth to these? Will the plant produce more THC when things go kinda screwy for her?
no, healty plants make the most thc.
 

BDOGKush

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there are a few "myths" out there about boosting THC at the end too. I say "myths" because I don't know if they are true or not. The first is that starving at the end causes them to produce more THC. The other is putting them into complete darkness for the last few days. Supposedly they both boost THC as a protective measure. Any truth to these? Will the plant produce more THC when things go kinda screwy for her?
I've read the same things being applied to terpene production instead of THC production.

I've tested the 3 days of darkness before harvest and noticed no discernible difference in smell, taste or potency.
 

jebus2029

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I wouldn't be so quick to say that. There have been tests that prove stress will boost THC in a plant. At least there were half a decade ago. New studies may have come out since then. In the wine industry there is a saying "a stressed vine makes great wine." Vineyards want minimal water throughout the year. A vine that is kept thirsty has less water in the grape, causing a higher brix (sugar content), and stronger concentration of terpenes and the such. So maybe stressing a cannabis plant can have a similar effect. We know that cold near the end will cause the chlorophyll to break down turning it purple and being less harsh when smoked. This is considered a stress. So I am sure there are other techniques out there that cause beneficial stress to a plant. What's one of the reasons for fans? To cause microtears in the stem fibers which cause them to build up stronger and thicker. It's like a workout for them and the stems are their muscles. I think there are many ways to healthfully stress a plant to get good results back. We just have to figure out what those stresses are and when to apply them.
 

jebus2029

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I've also tried doing with and without the 3 days of darkness. I couldn't tell a difference either. I think that is more something that you need special equipment to discern. If there is a difference it is hard to tell through the senses.
 

a senile fungus

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I wouldn't be so quick to say that. There have been tests that prove stress will boost THC in a plant. At least there were half a decade ago. New studies may have come out since then. In the wine industry there is a saying "a stressed vine makes great wine." Vineyards want minimal water throughout the year. A vine that is kept thirsty has less water in the grape, causing a higher brix (sugar content), and stronger concentration of terpenes and the such. So maybe stressing a cannabis plant can have a similar effect. We know that cold near the end will cause the chlorophyll to break down turning it purple and being less harsh when smoked. This is considered a stress. So I am sure there are other techniques out there that cause beneficial stress to a plant. What's one of the reasons for fans? To cause microtears in the stem fibers which cause them to build up stronger and thicker. It's like a workout for them and the stems are their muscles. I think there are many ways to healthfully stress a plant to get good results back. We just have to figure out what those stresses are and when to apply them.
I've also tried doing with and without the 3 days of darkness. I couldn't tell a difference either. I think that is more something that you need special equipment to discern. If there is a difference it is hard to tell through the senses.

Stop. Just stop.

For the love of the man your username is named after, please stop.
 

Dr. Who

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So you're saying if I lower N, Cal, and Mag towards the end then flushing is not necessary? It would be good to keep feeding the plant and boost the yield at the end. If that is the case then I can also see how the idea of flushing had become so mainstream. If you didn't lower them then flushing can actually help. So maybe flushing is dependent upon feeding regiment and types of fertilizers.
Wow....interesting concept,,,sadly false. This is still dealing with opinion. Even if that opinion is derived from ones own method. I would expect that that method has been sifted down from doing this, that, and the other thing, for sometime until one has found a method that works well for them. (NOT a bad thing)

I suspect that most idea's about "flushing" have come from many a year ago. Back when us dinosaurs were young we took seeds from bags and grew them.....Late 60's early 70's.....and it was good. Then a few folks got serious about making it better. They went to college and or read Horticultural textbooks on how to grow C3 plants and researched old papers on growing cannabis, looking for information on "high THC" cannabis growing. Things began to change very rapidly!!! Sinsi was the rage. Then came selective breeding to further the ideals of more THC and later to breed in other wanted traits (like mold tolerance, height limits, branching, etc.)

Anyway, during that time there were many interesting theories on how to make the pot taste better in the end. Things like pulling the whole plant up and plunging the the roots into boiling water for at least 2 min. (the version I recall from the early 70's) to the what seems logical "flush"......Sadly, to this day many myths continue down the road.....I still see the boiled root routine pop it's ugly head up from time to time and people have arguments for them that sound good but don't really carry weight.....

In any other plant used for human consumption. . . Is there any report or paper that say's it make's it taste better to flush, therefor it is practice? Is tobacco (another smoked plant of the C3 family) ever flushed for better taste? Anyone???? I truly enjoy a fine cigar everyday. I have toured tobacco curing facilities in Spain, The Dominican and Cuba.......guess what? All of the best tobacco's are made that way by the CURE!!!!! NO ONE FLUSH'S food or tobacco......so why weed? Because it gets fertilizer? So does your food,,,,,so does tobacco......

Bottom line is, just because someone like Danny Danko who writes for High Times and says "flushing is the only way to go"....Don't make it so! The Rev. don't flush, does that cancel Danko out and we go back to the arguments.....????

In my humble opinion, tested out for the last 40 years......I do not flush a grow. If for some reason I have the urge to do a synthetic run in soil,,,,,I DO simply water as normal - no feed, for the last week before harvest......There is enough usable nutrition left in that soil to carry me out.

Here, read this.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/flushing.865850/#post-11457268

If it is such a problem that you cannot manage to even try it that way (no flush) without having your Dr. up your meds.......Then don't!! By all means, do what works for YOU!

When the science is presented (and it has in bits here and in every other thread on the topic) ,,,,Stop beating us with your logic...

Doc
 
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