Fems or Regs

I am a recent convert to fem seeds, I hesitated to use them for years because of many of the same concerns expressed by the dissenters. Now I love them...I have grown out a few crops of fems and have zero complaints or concerns. The only difference I have noticed is that the fem version of a strain seems to take a little bit longer to fully mature.

bmeat said:

if you feel that way then correct by post with AT LEAST semi-construtive criticism

feminized seeds are unantural. chemicals are unnatural. anything unnatural is 'bad'

how bad? who knows?

i dont believe im wrong

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Feminized seeds are unnatural????? Uh, then what is a Hermaphrodite? It doesn't matter if stress causes the seed(s) to be feminine because the female pollinated herself, the plant is still NATURAL!

Wavels said:

I am a recent convert to fem seeds, I hesitated to use them for years because of many of the same concerns expressed by the dissenters. Now I love them...I have grown out a few crops of fems and have zero complaints or concerns. The only difference I have noticed is that the fem version of a strain seems to take a little bit longer to fully mature.

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...i dig the avatar man, it's good to see Frank remembered.

...upon second look, i dig the sigs too, lol. ...kudos.

peace, bozo

When the lines between fact and opinion get blurred... the internet happens.

However, would not the difference between fem seeds and reg seeds be completely overshadowed by the differences from seed to seed/phenotype to phenotype?

bmeat said:

sorry but ill have to disagree.

if its accepeted that an excess of normal stress can cause a hermie, why the hell cant direct dna destruction cause it?

i believe it causes it 10 fold. we will have to agree to disagree

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You do not know what you are talking about. Stressing a plant with colloidal silver does not change the dna. It affects hormones.
Stress can not be passed on through genetics.

bmeat said:

most companies want the quickest results for the chepeast cost. the method above is the 'right' but longer and harder way to do it.

most if not all companies will use chemicals. if they dont, they will advertise the HELL out of their 'healthier' process

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How is not using colloidal silver healthier?
You spray a plant for a couple weeks. Later it shows male flowers. That pollen is used to make seeds.
If you use rodelization you would get the same exact genetic material in the pollen to make seeds.

i guess were both right..our dna or our programming/ genepool regulates our hormones. stress only make them flucuate, but normally when the stressor is removed, homoestatis is achieved again. when we take synthetic steroids (testoterone from testes, prednisone aka synthetic cortisol from pancreas) we mess with them a bit more than we should, but even then, we are able to recover.

stress cant be passed down? i mean i see how youre saying it cant, directly like that, but at the same time over time yes it can. a black man is stronger (in general, you can have a naturally stocky white male depending on location of orgin) becuase hes had to hunt and run for food for longer. his skin is darker and stronger becuase he lived in the hot sun (you over scar producing keloids, scarring is good though, y and you also have lots of collagen and wont age very fast) and his hair is also toughened becuase of it (the root at least, not the follicale LOL). these kinds of STRESSORS that caused the body to be that way do in fact get passed down.

if they didnt mamalls couldnt hold their breathe (practicing for generations of hiding in the water, or finshing in water) i have a long thin nose becuase my ancestors must have swam a lot. the webbing between our hands are from swimming and fishing.

all these differences happened for a reason. cause and effect. it gets passed down and it changes something in a way that you may never expect. that is why marijuana is getting more and more potent, and there are A LOT of hermies in its species population. (all normal tomato plants have been breeded out, theyre all asexual LOL)

posioning the plant with a metal isnt a good thing for it or for you to inhale. it takes a while to move molecules with that density out of your body. our pituitary actually works off the the metal or mineral iodine that we must absorb. and we do absorb, in the just the right amount from the earth and the food. but when we distrub the earth we change things.

diabetes is a direct cause of chemically cut sugar, refined sugar. some people pancreas are not used to such sudden disruption to homeostatis over and over the sugar rush or the spike in homeostatis from stretched sugar (for higher profit) chemically cut with bleach and lots of stuff

our livers regenerate becuase ever since our ancestors moved here, we fed everyone beer if they were thirtsy becuase we didnt know boiling the water would kill the bad microbes, or whatever they thought it was.

etc. etc.

we adapt to our enviornment, and never the other way around, always. just like our plants. thats why alien life wouldnt sustain in space, unless there was another rock, in another similar sizes star (then it would have same gravational pull) to be close but yet just far enough to have non posionous gas, good atomopheric pressure (the homeostatis or balance of chemicals in the air) water thats not frozen or evaporating at a crazy rate etc.

they say there are more galaxies setup like ours out there. i wonder if they all have one rock that sustaines life. i wonder what species has evolved there, and if theres another mammal rock. if so, are they ahead or behind us in evolution?


they say in however many years our sun too will explode, and restart life again. the supernova is so energetic that it spews life like a seed everywhere and it lands everywhere (not everywhere..but yeah) and where the enviornment is suitable it shall thrive. and someone setup this perfect circle of energetic explosions to be morestraight foward life.

i wonder if every nova (or small star) that blows up creates life, and it just dies before it can land and adapt. i guess there has to be a supernova to be setup well enough to sterlize things, set them up and sow seed. i dont even know anymore. good night


our livers regenerate becuase ever since our ancestors moved here, we fed everyone beer if they were thirtsy becuase we didnt know boiling the water would kill the bad microbes, or whatever they thought it was.

etc. etc.

we adapt to our enviornment, and never the other way around, always. just like our plants. thats why alien life wouldnt sustain in space, unless there was another rock, in another similar sizes star (then it would have same gravational pull) to be close but yet just far enough to have non posionous gas, good atomopheric pressure (the homeostatis or balance of chemicals in the air) water thats not frozen or evaporating at a crazy rate etc.

they say there are more galaxies setup like ours out there. i wonder if they all have one rock that sustaines life. i wonder what species has evolved there, and if theres another mammal rock. if so, are they ahead or behind us in evolution?

did you know birds are dinsoaurs? they were the only ones to evacute the destruction and find food, but since their population was so small, mamallas started to thrive (for whatever reason) and the flying dinosaurs de evolved.

when you hear bird calls, think x10,000

they say in however many years our sun too will explode, and restart life again. the supernova is so energetic that it spews life like a seed everywhere and it lands everywhere (not everywhere..but yeah) and where the enviornment is suitable it shall thrive. and someone setup this perfect circle of energetic explosions to create life.

i wonder if every nova (or small star) that blows up creates life, and it just dies before it can land and adapt. i guess there has to be a supernova to be setup well enough to sterlize things, set them up and sow seed. i dont even know anymore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova hydrogen in action, fueling the start of life. it reads "do not mistake for supernova"

if it did just effect the hormone output, it would only be for a short amount of time, and it wouldnt make a feminzed bean. that beans male hormone was destroyed from the genotype, but some are strong enough to hermie

I'm thinkin' bmeat needs to do a lot more learning/listening and a lot less posting.

bmeat said:

i guess were both right..

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i am wasting time with you. Oh well.
You were wrong about most of what you claimed. Can you point out where I am incorrect?

bmeat said:

our dna or our programming/ genepool regulates our hormones.
stress only make them flucuate, but normally when the stressor is removed, homoestatis is achieved again. when we take synthetic steroids (testoterone from testes, prednisone aka synthetic cortisol from pancreas) we mess with them a bit more than we should, but even then, we are able to recover.

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don't compare humans and plants

bmeat said:

stress cant be passed down? i mean i see how youre saying it cant, directly like that, but at the same time over time yes it can.

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No, it can't. If there is environmental stress, that will make certain plants grow better, if that stress is consistent over generations. The stress is not in the dna. the plants that have dna that will do better in the stressful environment will prosper and create offspring. That does not mean that stress is passed down through dna.

bmeat said:

a black man is stronger (in general, you can have a naturally stocky white male depending on location of orgin) becuase hes had to hunt and run for food for longer. his skin is darker and stronger becuase he lived in the hot sun (you over scar producing keloids, scarring is good though, y and you also have lots of collagen and wont age very fast) and his hair is also toughened becuase of it (the root at least, not the follicale LOL). these kinds of traits do in fact get passed down.

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Stop it. You are talking about tens of thousands of generations. It is foolish and not relevant.

bmeat said:

if they didnt mamalls couldnt hold their breathe (practicing for generations of hiding in the water, or finshing in water) i have a long thin nose becuase my ancestors must have swam a lot. the webbing between our hands are from swimming and fishing.

all these differences happened for a reason. cause and effect. it gets passed down and it changes something in a way that you may never expect. that is why marijuana is getting more and more potent

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No, you are wrong. You are comparing apples and elephants. it is ridiculous.

bmeat said:

posioning the plant with a metal isnt a good thing for it or for you to inhale.

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Listen moron, no one said to smoke the plant sprayed with colloidal silver. Also, it is much safer than you think. People ingest it all the time. If you think you are going to inhale it while you spray, you are not very bright and have obviously not used it bofore. You are talking shit about that which you know nothing about. It is kind of amazing.

bmeat said:

it takes a while to move molecules with that density out of your body. our pituitary actually works off the the metal or mineral iodine that we must absorb. and we do absorb, in the just the right amount from the earth and the food. but when we distrub the earth we change things.

Stay on topic. Try to focus.

bmeat said:

diabetes is a direct cause of chemically cut sugar, refined sugar. some people pancreas are not used to such sudden disruption to homeostatis over and over from cut or stretched sugar (for higher profit)

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Besides being mostly wrong, you are way off topic.

bmeat said:

our livers regenerate becuase ever since our ancestors moved here, we fed everyone beer if they were thirtsy becuase we didnt know boiling the water would kill the bad microbes, or whatever they thought it was.

etc. etc.

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derp derp.

bmeat said:

we adapt to our enviornment, and never the other way around, always. just like our plants.

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You are trying to compare hundreds of thousands of years of evolution to one generation of plants?
What is wrong with you?

bmeat said:

thats why alien life wouldnt sustain in space, unless there was another rock, in another similar sizes star (then it would have same gravational pull) to be close but yet just far enough to have non posionous gas, good atomopheric pressure (the homeostatis or balance of chemicals in the air) water thats not frozen or evaporating at a crazy rate etc.

they say there are more galaxies setup like ours out there. i wonder if they all have one rock that sustaines life. i wonder what species has evolved there, and if theres another mammal rock. if so, are they ahead or behind us in evolution?

did you know birds are dinsoaurs? they were the only ones to evacute the destruction and find food, but since their population was so small, mamallas started to thrive (for whatever reason)

when you hear bird calls, think x10,000

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blah blah blah blah blah, irrelavant garbage
I am not learning anything from you except that you are not very bright and you probably have ADD.

bmeat said:

i guess were both right..

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No. You have not shown me that I was wrong at all. You ignored my questions and have been prattling on about nothing.

bmeat said:

our dna or our programming tells our body how and what hormones to release. when we inhibit them, its bad, its buildup, its pressure, its unstable.

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Even if you were right, lol, how does that apply to plants specifically? Saying "its (sic) bad, its buildup, its pressure, its unstable" is fucking stupid. what do you mean by that specifically and in relation to plants?

bmeat said:

stress cant be passed down? i mean i see how youre saying it cant, directly like that, but at the same time over time yes it can.

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Not in the way you think it can and not in a grow room that is under control.
You are wrong about fem seeds and how they are created. you are wrong about most of what you have said.

You cut and pasted your ridiculous argument twice and it sounded dumber the second time. You are not correct and unable to show me where I am wrong. You do not know what you are talking about, you are unable to stay on topic and you are comparing hundreds of thousands of years of evolution to a one generation of a plant. It is beyond stupid. Stop it.

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bmeat said:

if it did just effect the hormone output, it would only be for a short amount of time,

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You are finally correct about something. Good for you. You only spray a plant for a couple weeks then it produces male flowers without a Y chromosome.

bmeat said:

and it wouldnt make a feminzed bean.p

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Darn it, you were close. It does make feminized seeds, I have done it.

bmeat said:

that beans male hormone was destroyed from the genotype, but some are strong enough to hermie

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Do you think the Y chromosome is a hormone? Hormones can affect the plant's ability to produce male and or female flowers among other things.
You do not even have a basic understanding of what you are arguing about. The plant did not have a Y chromosome to begin with. The Y chromosome was not destroyed, it was never there.


There are not enough facepalm pictures on the interweb to adequately cover you.

jackass, i undersatnd that you only spray it for a certain amount of time. if this wasnt an ever lasting effect (which it is, it fully destroyed the male chromosome) it would re regulate it self and start producing male and female, LIKE IT NATURALLY SHOULD. since it doesnt, its considered a leathal does for the male chromosome, and therefore it directly changes the dna of the plant, and all the seeds that it bears.

i understand it makes feminzed seeds, thats what im trying to say. if it just altered hormones, then it wouldnt produce long lasting, dna altering effects. (when we take prednisone, its synethetic cortisol, which controls inflmmation. when we take it, our pancreas shrink becuase there is an abundance of synthetic cortisol (which is not as good/effective as natural coritsol, but sometimes required in medical cases) but when we stop taking it, the panceas slowly comes back to life. the synthetic hormone/steroid needs to be tapered though, or the pancreas and body will go into shock.

hermies are the result of a feminzed seed. stressing the plant during the growth will alter its phenotype and therefore make the hermie gene rear its ugly head more than it normally would.

stressing a regular seed plant (non chemically that is) will NOT produce a hermie becuase its a healthy, natural seed with only a male and female geneotype

oh and i can compare human and plants, life is life. thats all there is to it. we can learn more than you think from species to species.

there was a time when mammals did not fight amongst themselves. this was programmed through evolution.

the geneotype is the direct genes that makeup a persons traits and the phenotype are these genes reactions according to environmental stressors (like gaining muscle from resitant training, or getting a stronger stem from wind or playing with the plant called thigmomorphogenesis)

youre not at fault for assuming phenotypes do not get passed down, but they do. just not as directly/more slowly vs the direct genepool.

im sorry for sharing information with people like you. its a shame. on that note im done.

bmeat said:

oh and i can compare human and plants, life is life. thats all there is to it. we can learn more than you think from species to species.

there was a time when mammals did not fight amongst themselves. this was programmed through evolution.

the geneotype is the direct genes that makeup a persons traits and the phenotype are these genes reactions according to environmental stressors (like gaining muscle from resitant training, or getting a stronger stem from wind or playing with the plant called thigmomorphogenesis)

youre not at fault for assuming phenotypes do not get passed down, but they do. just not as directly/more slowly vs the direct genepool.

im sorry for sharing information with people like you. its a shame. on that note im done.

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I can't believe anyone wasted their time proving you wrong. Even when they did, you still believed you were right! The sooner you realize how stupid you really are, the better. You are a perfect example of every community's biggest issue, spreading misinformation. You don't know what you're talking about, so don't talk about it.

bmeat said:

im sorry for sharing information with people like you. its a shame. on that note im done.

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Apology accepted. Please refrain from teaching others until you have at least obtained the common knowledge of a 12 year old..

im not incorrect

we are altering the species cannabiss genepool, creating hermies and mutations

bmeat said:

oh and i can compare human and plants, life is life. thats all there is to it. we can learn more than you think from species to species.

there was a time when mammals did not fight amongst themselves. this was programmed through evolution.

the geneotype is the direct genes that makeup a persons traits and the phenotype are these genes reactions according to environmental stressors (like gaining muscle from resitant training, or getting a stronger stem from wind or playing with the plant called thigmomorphogenesis)

youre not at fault for assuming phenotypes do not get passed down, but they do. just not as directly/more slowly vs the direct genepool.

im sorry for sharing information with people like you. its a shame. on that note im done.

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Phenotypes are the outward expressions of genotypes, working out and building muscles has nothing to do with phenotype expression.

A qualified example of Phenotype expression would've be:

Bb - Brown eyes (hetero dminant)
Bb - Blue eyes (hetro recessive)

Bb x bb = 50% Bb and 50% bb, half hetro brown eyes and half home blues eyes

regards,

for example "The plant Hieracium umbellatum is found growing in two different habitats in Sweden. One habitat is rocky, sea-side cliffs, where the plants are bushy with broad leaves and expanded inflorescences; the other is among sand dunes where the plants grow prostrate with narrow leaves and compact inflorescences. These habitats alternate along the coast of Sweden and the habitat that the seeds of Hieracium umbellatum land in, determine the phenotype that grows.[SUP][6][/SUP]"

youre not incoporating anything that has to do with phenotype. youre literally experssing the genotype probability

sativa and indica are examples of phenotypes. sativa grew by the black sea, where it was hot, and indica landed and thrived where its a bit cooler, the middle east, and therefore the same species changed expressed different phenotypes.

i think muscle training may actually alter phenotype probability for soft tissues

"Phenotypic variation (due to underlying heritable genetic variation) is a fundamental prerequisite for evolution by natural selection. It is the living organism as a whole that contributes (or not) to the next generation, so natural selection affects the genetic structure of a population indirectly via the contribution of phenotypes. Without phenotypic variation, there would be no evolution by natural selection.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
The interaction between genotype and phenotype has often been conceptualized by the following relationship:
genotype (G) + environment (E) → phenotype (P)A more nuanced version of the relationship is:
genotype (G) + environment (E) + genotype & environment interactions (GE) → phenotype (P)"

heavy metal poisoning does in fact mutate and alter plants for generations to come

bmeat said:

jackass, i undersatnd that you only spray it for a certain amount of time.

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I knew you weren't completely stupid.

bmeat said:

if this wasnt an ever lasting effect (which it is, it fully destroyed the male chromosome)

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Oops, I take that back. You are completely stupid.
The chromosome was not there to begin with. Colloidal silver does not change or effect the dna. No matter how many times you say it, you are still wrong.

bmeat said:

it would re regulate it self and start producing male and female, LIKE IT NATURALLY SHOULD.

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Wrong again. It is almost like you work at being wrong. You are really good at it.
When you stress a female plant to make it show male flowers, it does not have a Y chromosome because it is female. So you do not destroy a Y chromosome, it was never there. I wish I could explain it using smaller words.

bmeat said:

since it doesnt, its considered a leathal does for the male chromosome, and therefore it directly changes the dna of the plant, and all the seeds that it bears.

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No it does not change the dna. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Could you back any of this up with anything?

bmeat said:

i understand it makes feminzed seeds, thats what im trying to say. if it just altered hormones, then it wouldnt produce long lasting, dna altering effects.

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No it wouldn't. Google it.

bmeat said:

(when we take prednisone, its synethetic cortisol, which controls inflmmation. when we take it, our pancreas shrink becuase there is an abundance of synthetic cortisol (which is not as good/effective as natural coritsol, but sometimes required in medical cases) but when we stop taking it, the panceas slowly comes back to life. the synthetic hormone/steroid needs to be tapered though, or the pancreas and body will go into shock.

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And that does nothing to the dna. It also has nothing to do with this.
Were you dropped on your head a lot as a child?
That wouldn't effect your dna either.

bmeat said:

hermies are the result of a feminzed seed.

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You are such an idiot. Can you prove that? No. Can you back it up with anything?
Get to work Big Fella.

bmeat said:

stressing the plant during the growth will alter its phenotype

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I do not think you know what that word means.

bmeat said:

and therefore make the hermie gene rear its ugly head more than it normally would.

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Hermie gene? lol
You do not understand how hermaphrodites are produced nor the different kinds.
I am not going to educate you, you seem to hate the truth. Maybe it is a genetic defect.

bmeat said:

stressing a regular seed plant (non chemically that is) will NOT produce a hermie becuase its a healthy, natural seed with only a male and female geneotype

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You are only right in the way that the sun hits a lazy dog's ass once a day.
A stressed female does not have a Y chromosome and never did.

Before you make any wildly inaccurate statements, could you back up all your other wildly inaccurate statements with something?

bmeat said:

im not incorrect

we are altering the species cannabiss genepool, creating hermies and mutations

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bullshit

now you are just lying

bmeat said:

"Phenotypic variation (due to underlying heritable genetic variation) is a fundamental prerequisite for evolution by natural selection. It is the living organism as a whole that contributes (or not) to the next generation, so natural selection affects the genetic structure of a population indirectly via the contribution of phenotypes. Without phenotypic variation, there would be no evolution by natural selection.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
The interaction between genotype and phenotype has often been conceptualized by the following relationship:
genotype (G) + environment (E) → phenotype (P)A more nuanced version of the relationship is:
genotype (G) + environment (E) + genotype & environment interactions (GE) → phenotype (P)"

heavy metal poisoning does in fact mutate and alter plants for generations to come

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That is a bold statement that you are unable to prove.

The environment does not alter the dna.
Plants with characteristics that better suited the environment thrived and produced offspring.


No matter how many times you say it does, stressing a plant with colloidal silver does not change its dna.
You are unable to prove it because you are wrong and because you are an idiot.

Stop spreading lies.