Fems or Regs

I all ways buy fem seeds if I can but today i was just wondering if there is any down side to a feminized seed, like is it less potent or more vulnerable to stress related problems or something . or is it just as good a a regular seed. Also i would like to make my own feminized seed but not shore how to do this ?

done properly femminized beans are no more vulnerable to stress than regular beans and the product at harvest shouldn't be any less potent.

making feminized beans yourself isn't all that hard but there is more than one way to skin that cat and you'd have to decide which way you yourself would want to skin it.

most hobby growers will either use a coloidal silver generator to make a foliar spray that needs to be applied multiple times but is relatively non-toxic and therefore pretty safe to use OR they will use a solution made from silver theosulphate and i may be spelling that wrong as i've never used this method but i understand that this IS somewhat toxic and care needs to be taken when you mix it.

do a search on youtube and i'm sure you will find several vids on how to do each of these.

bozo

regular seeds are needed if youre attempting to breed.

feminized seeds are chemical induced and hermie prone, since they come from a hermie parent.

chemicals are never good

bmeat said:

regular seeds are needed if youre attempting to breed.

feminized seeds are chemical induced and hermie prone, since they come from a hermie parent.

chemicals are never good

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FUCK

I bolded the parts where you are completely wrong.
Stop talking about that which you have no clue about.

if you feel that way then correct by post with AT LEAST semi-construtive criticism

feminized seeds are unantural. chemicals are unnatural. anything unnatural is 'bad'

how bad? who knows?

i dont believe im wrong

bmeat said:

if you feel that way then correct by post with AT LEAST semi-construtive criticism

feminized seeds are unantural. chemicals are unnatural. anything unnatural is 'bad'

how bad? who knows?

i dont believe im wrong

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You can't be serious..

GrowinTheDank said:

You can't be serious..

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more unproductive thoughts.

when you feminze a seed you make a female produce pollen. you pollinate another female with this hermaphrodite, and you have a hermie female gene pool.

when you feminize a seed, you kill off the male gene pool, you destroy and manipulate actualy dna/rna of the plant, which we should not be getting involved with. whenever humans try to fix something thats not broken, it never turns out for the better.

or if you feminize a plant and dont breed it, it will do something called rodelization. this is :

"Rodelization takes advantage of the fact that a female plant will try to pollinate herself as a last resort when she doesn't get pollinated and is nearing the end of her lifecycle. That is why sometimes older or stressed female plants grow a few male "balls" as a last-ditch attempt to self-pollinate. When successful, she will grow a few seeds. These self-pollinated seeds will have gotten both sets of genes from the same female plant, so both parents will be female, and all resulting seeds with be female.
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which also eqautes to a hermaphidate, or a single plant withe both sex glands and the ability to produce asexually. you litreally make the female a hermie.

i understand that seeds are a business, and business main motive is profit. the best way for them to make profit is to offer feminized beans. the best way for chicken breeders to produce the most chickens is to inject with chemicals that makes them so fat they cant walk, but they will produce big eggs (no matter how mutant and unnatural they may seem) etc. etc..

fem seeds are good.........

DSB65 said:

fem seeds are good.........

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"Cons:

• You will need to find a source of colloidal silver which well be used to soray the cannabis plants as they start flowering. Your main options are: buying colloidal silver directly, buying a colloidal silver generator, or making your own simple colloidall silver generator yourself (instructions below)
• It is not safe to directly use/consume any cannabis which has come into contact with colloidal silver, though any seeds produced by a treated plant's pollen are 100% safe. Note: Some space-starved pot farmers will use the colloidal silver to spray just the bottom branch of a cannabis plant so they can still smoke/use the rest of the cannabis buds. You can definitely do this, just be extremely careful not to get any colloidal silver spray on any part of the cannabis that you will be consuming.

When a female cannabis plant is treated with a solution of tiny silver particles suspended in distilled water, the plant will start to exhibit male characteristics.
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silver is a heavy metal, and is not good for direct injestion.

"Adverse health effectsFurther information: Silver and Argyria
According to Lansdown, the risk expected due to clinical exposure to silver is "minimal", as only chronic ingestion or inhalation of silver preparations leads to an accumulation of silver in the human body that can cause argyria, argyrosis (accumulation of silver in the eye), and other conditions.[SUP][12][/SUP] Silver-based products are contraindicated for people who are allergic to silver.[SUP][12][/SUP] The reference dose, published by the United States Environmental Protection Agency in 1991, which recommends the estimated daily exposure that is unlikely to incur an appreciable risk of deleterious effects during a lifetime, is 5 µg/kg/d; meaning 5 micrograms of silver per kilo of weight per person each day – about 1 liter of 10 ppm colloidal silver per month for a 66 kg person.[SUP][16][/SUP] An article from the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine points out silver nitrate and silver sulfadiazine can have negative side effects, and they must be applied to the body externally and not taken internally.[SUP][1][/SUP]
The chronic intake of silver products and the silver buildup from colloidal silver can result in an accumulation of silver or silver sulfide particles in the hair, skin, kidneys, liver, heart and muscles due to high methionine-containing proteins, such as keratin, myosin, tropomyosin, troponin, and key dipeptide glutathione. Serious neurologic (such as seizures), renal, or hepatic complications, as well as headaches, stomach distress, fatigue, and skin irritation have been reported.[SUP][58][/SUP][SUP][59][/SUP] Colloidal silver can reduce the absorption of some medications, including tetracycline and quinolone antibiotics and can bind to penicillamine, thereby reducing the effectiveness of those medications.[SUP][25][/SUP][SUP][60][/SUP] One death has been reported in the medical literature which the authors felt was due to silver toxicity resulting from repeated oral ingestion of colloidal silver.[SUP][61][/SUP]
As in photography (where silver is used due to its reactivity with light), silver particles in the skin darken with exposure to sunlight, resulting in a blue or gray discoloration of the skin. This condition is known as argyria, which is a dermatological condition characterized by grayish-blue pigmentation of the skin, nails, gums, and deep tissues; and, in similar manner, it can lead to silver in the eye (argyrosis) and in other organs. Argyria can only occur if large doses are ingested over time. [SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][17][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP][SUP][16][/SUP][SUP][49][/SUP][SUP][62][/SUP][SUP][63][/SUP][SUP][64][/SUP][SUP][65][/SUP][SUP][66][/SUP] Localized argyria can occur as a result of topical use of substances containing silver, while generalized argyria results from the chronic ingestion of such substances.[SUP][58][/SUP] Argyria was long believed to be irreversible,[SUP][52][/SUP] but recently, laser therapy has been used to treat it with satisfactory cosmetic results.[SUP][67][/SUP][SUP][68][/SUP][SUP][69][/SUP] The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) describes argyria as a "cosmetic problem",[SUP][70][/SUP] although some people consider it to be socially debilitating.[SUP][71][/SUP][SUP][72][/SUP]
[h=2][edit] Environmental effects[/h]Silver that enters the environment from discarded medical sources can have detrimental effects on micro-organisms and animals (including humans).[SUP][[/SUP]
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guys we want female seeds..who wants to grow a bunch of males......

ill admit, if i were to spend money, i would buy female seeds (non ruderalis)

preflowers take too long to show me sex.

since im going 12/12 from seed (which is unnatural, but not synthetically induced) i like to use regular seeds when i can

bmeat said:

more unproductive thoughts.

when you feminze a seed you make a female produce pollen. you pollinate another female with this hermaphrodite, and you have a hermie female gene pool.

when you feminize a seed, you kill off the male gene pool, you destroy and manipulate actualy dna/rna of the plant, which we should not be getting involved with. whenever humans try to fix something thats not broken, it never turns out for the better.

or if you feminize a plant and dont breed it, it will do something called rodelization. this is :

"Rodelization takes advantage of the fact that a female plant will try to pollinate herself as a last resort when she doesn't get pollinated and is nearing the end of her lifecycle. That is why sometimes older or stressed female plants grow a few male "balls" as a last-ditch attempt to self-pollinate. When successful, she will grow a few seeds. These self-pollinated seeds will have gotten both sets of genes from the same female plant, so both parents will be female, and all resulting seeds with be female.
"

which also eqautes to a hermaphidate, or a single plant withe both sex glands and the ability to produce asexually. you litreally make the female a hermie.

i understand that seeds are a business, and business main motive is profit. the best way for them to make profit is to offer feminized beans. the best way for chicken breeders to produce the most chickens is to inject with chemicals that makes them so fat they cant walk, but they will produce big eggs (no matter how mutant and unnatural they may seem) etc. etc..

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i'll be productive in my criticism of a few things you said..

the sliver doesn't make a hermie genetic.. the only reason the plant went hermie was the introduction of the cs or w/e chem was used.. these chemical's halt the production of female flowers and instead force the plant to grow male flowers were the chemical was applied only.. i'm not sure on the science part of it honestly, but i do know something in the chem is what is a signal for the plant to grow male stamen instead of female pistils...
again, the only reason this plant grew male stamenate was the introduction of a chemical.. there is no hermie trait to be passed on to the offspring.. that would be like my saying if i cut off your arm, all of your kids would be one armed as well when we all know this is not true.

as far as unnatural, well, i guess anything that is not known to happen in nature is unnatural, but as to how bad it is for the end consumer, i have no idea, but i highly doubt that the small amount of any chem that reaches the seed state would be rather minimal imvho.. i'd be way more worried about the shit they put in our tap water then i would about any left over silver in a seed tbh..

oh yah, forgot one thing.. not all breeders use chems to produce fem's either... some breeders will let a plant go late in flower, which in a lot of strains will force the female to throw a few nanners in an attempt to reproduce.. they then take that pollen to use on another healthy girl.. no chem's at all involved..
i know there is another process that doesn't use chem's, but those breeders aren't really saying how they do this in an attempt to save that tech for themselves would be my best bet..

sorry but ill have to disagree.

if its accepeted that an excess of normal stress can cause a hermie, why the hell cant direct dna destruction cause it?

i believe it causes it 10 fold. we will have to agree to disagree

most companies want the quickest results for the chepeast cost. the method above is the 'right' but longer and harder way to do it.

most if not all companies will use chemicals. if they dont, they will advertise the HELL out of their 'healthier' process

bmeat said:

sorry but ill have to disagree.

if its accepeted that an excess of normal stress can cause a hermie, why the hell cant direct dna destruction cause it?

i believe it causes it 10 fold. we will have to agree to disagree

most companies want the quickest results for the chepeast cost. the method above is the 'right' but longer and harder way to do it.

most if not all companies will use chemicals. if they dont, they will advertise the HELL out of their 'healthier' process

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what are you growing......

I would get fem seeds and reg. My next grow Im gonna get fem LA con. and reg thc bomb and cross those so Ill have a new type and Im gonna pick a mother out of those seeds. either way I feel like you cant really go wrong

bmeat said:

sorry but ill have to disagree.

if its accepeted that an excess of normal stress can cause a hermie, why the hell cant direct dna destruction cause it?

i believe it causes it 10 fold. we will have to agree to disagree

most companies want the quickest results for the chepeast cost. the method above is the 'right' but longer and harder way to do it.

most if not all companies will use chemicals. if they dont, they will advertise the HELL out of their 'healthier' process

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you kind of lost me here m8.. if its accepeted that an excess of normal stress can cause a hermie, why the hell cant direct dna destruction cause it?
not all plants will hermie under stress, that part is already false.. yes, if you introduce stress to some plants, they will hermie.. these are the plants you do not want to use in feminized breeding.. if a plant will hermie under stress, that means the hermie trait is present in the genetics of that strain to begin with... if it doesn't hermie under stress, no hermie genetics present in the plant, and it will make good breeding stock, whether for fem's or reg's honestly as who wants to breed with a recessive hermie trait?? i hope no one, but know it's not true as some strains are simply known to carry hermie genetics like east coast sour diesel, and if anyone wants to work that line, they're going to have to deal with that trait in all of their offspring..

and i just reraed you're sentence about direct dna destruction.. you're not destroying any dna by using a chemical to grow male flowers.. you don't touch the dna of the plant, you simply force it to grow different cells.. it's not going after the dna at all of the plant..

that's like if a male human takes estrogen pills in an attempt to grow tits and get ready for a sex change.. yes, that person is probably going to start growing tit's and have a higher voice, but they still have the same dna that makes them a man, babe, lol...
seriously though, it's only the hormones that is growing the boobs and the high voice.. take away the hormones and their tits would go right back to man sized and their voice would start to lower as well.. it's only these chems bringing on the changes, not a change to the dna..

DSB65 said:

what are you growing......

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