Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)
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KarmaFarms
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I run a small 3k watt med grow. I actually caught a glimps of this forum while researching initial lumen output for 1k Hortilux super HPS lamps. Anyhow I figured I'd give it a quick read... 4hrs later I was totally into NPK ratio's. First I'm a Dyna user mainly for the Pro-Tekt. Love the stuff. I do lots of scrog, lst and the such and occasionally I'll snap a branch. With Pro-Tekt no worries, fixes my girls right up. Now like anyone that's been at this for awhile I wanted to try something new. I picked up some Dutch Masters one Gold. I'm going to try to upload some pics. Well can't figure it out. One Gold plants our lime green. Dyna-Gro dark green. I'm going to research how to upload a pic with an iPhone. If any knows, maybe you could pass it on.
HomeBrewer your the best I love this Dyna-Gro discussion.
I need your help (And any one else)
I have read all the post on Dyna Gro and I am looking for a Step by Step Feeding schedule for the Dyna-Gro for Medical Marijuana Grow from the start of Veg all the way through flower.
Here is a picture of a spreadsheet I found online from someone else.
Guys Im not lazy and am doing my research, but a step by step schedual from HomeBrewer would be awesome
I need your help (And any one else)
I have read all the post on Dyna Gro and I am looking for a Step by Step Feeding schedule for the Dyna-Gro for Medical Marijuana Grow from the start of Veg all the way through flower.
Here is a picture of a spreadsheet I found online from someone else.
Guys Im not lazy and am doing my research, but a step by step schedual from HomeBrewer would be awesome
j.ride
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Thanks for the tip. I really can't fathom how a nutrient solution could be any easier. I mean, if the bottle of Dyna-gro could grow little legs and mix itself, there would still be naysayers!
Chug-a-chug-a-chug-a-chug-a-CHO CHOO! Though I don't have much of a reference point, I'm starting to see what you mean. Growth is steady and it seems to be picking up pace. I'll have some more picture within the next couple of days.I wanted to comment on his 'observation' real quick. Higher N formulas during flower perform like The Little Engine That Could. You'll see steady growth until the day you chop. Stay the course and you'll see what I'm talking about. I can't wait to hear what your friend says.
This is merely speculation but from what I've been told about this booster and that, it's that they might make a difference in the short term. This would explain why people are attracted to them. They can see almost immediate results. However, for the long term who knows if any short term gain is paid for with less growth over time. It's obvious that most people don't care to take the time and have the discipline to really get to the bottom of if something is good for their grow or not.
I don't mean to speak for HB but I believe he's stated a few times to start with the maintenance dose and adjust from there. There are lots of variables and this will require some trial and error on your part.
j.ride
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Here's some pictures from day 35. 5 weeks exactly. I apologize for the quality, using a cell phone for the pictures just makes it too easy.
I have still been using only grow and pro-tekt, but have felt the urge to muck it up and add other things to the mix. I'm not sure where this is coming from as things seem to look good. Greed perhaps
I might play around next run with mag-pro and possibly kelp.
My buddy was over yesterday and had a lot to say. Everything from "ooooh look, this plant has stretch in the bud, must be all that nitrogen!!!!" to "maybe you should try bloom foods next time, if you're doing this good with grow, think how much better you'd be doing with bloom foods" to "we should trim more leaves and branches off next time, that will make the main buds that much bigger!" to "we've only got a few weeks to go and we're not seeing many orange hairs, I think the grow nutes delayed us."
Of course most of these strains are new to both of us so there's no way to know if they're even 8 week strains. I've read enough of Uncle Bens posts now to know that most of this is my buddy being brainwashed and ignorant but it still kinda pisses me off. Here's reality knocking him in the face and he still cannot accept that Dyna-Gro Grow + Pro-Tekt used throughout simply kicks ass.
I have still been using only grow and pro-tekt, but have felt the urge to muck it up and add other things to the mix. I'm not sure where this is coming from as things seem to look good. Greed perhaps
I might play around next run with mag-pro and possibly kelp.
My buddy was over yesterday and had a lot to say. Everything from "ooooh look, this plant has stretch in the bud, must be all that nitrogen!!!!" to "maybe you should try bloom foods next time, if you're doing this good with grow, think how much better you'd be doing with bloom foods" to "we should trim more leaves and branches off next time, that will make the main buds that much bigger!" to "we've only got a few weeks to go and we're not seeing many orange hairs, I think the grow nutes delayed us."
Of course most of these strains are new to both of us so there's no way to know if they're even 8 week strains. I've read enough of Uncle Bens posts now to know that most of this is my buddy being brainwashed and ignorant but it still kinda pisses me off. Here's reality knocking him in the face and he still cannot accept that Dyna-Gro Grow + Pro-Tekt used throughout simply kicks ass.
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taipanspunk
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WOW... i'm quite amazed and impressed that this thread is active after all these years...
serious mad props to homebrewer and his dedicated advice!!
serious mad props to homebrewer and his dedicated advice!!
homebrewer
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You've got a lot of time to go still but if you stay the course here, you're going to have some awesome herb at harvest. Your friend has his opinions now but I have a feeling that will change when he sees the final product.Here's some pictures from day 35. 5 weeks exactly. I apologize for the quality, using a cell phone for the pictures just makes it too easy.
I have still been using only grow and pro-tekt, but have felt the urge to muck it up and add other things to the mix. I'm not sure where this is coming from as things seem to look good. Greed perhaps
I might play around next run with mag-pro and possibly kelp.
My buddy was over yesterday and had a lot to say. Everything from "ooooh look, this plant has stretch in the bud, must be all that nitrogen!!!!" to "maybe you should try bloom foods next time, if you're doing this good with grow, think how much better you'd be doing with bloom foods" to "we should trim more leaves and branches off next time, that will make the main buds that much bigger!" to "we've only got a few weeks to go and we're not seeing many orange hairs, I think the grow nutes delayed us."
Of course most of these strains are new to both of us so there's no way to know if they're even 8 week strains. I've read enough of Uncle Bens posts now to know that most of this is my buddy being brainwashed and ignorant but it still kinda pisses me off. Here's reality knocking him in the face and he still cannot accept that Dyna-Gro Grow + Pro-Tekt used throughout simply kicks ass.
joe macclennan
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like^^
hey jride, I'd tell your friend to start his own grow then WE can have a controlled experiment next time
hey jride, I'd tell your friend to start his own grow then WE can have a controlled experiment next time
j.ride
Member
I sure hope so! I guess a lot can happen between now and harvest. Thank you for laying the groundwork.
That's exactly the thing. He's got almost a decade of experience but still doesn't really seem to know what he's talking about. It could just be me soaking up too much from Uncle Ben. I'm sure at some points over the past years the stars did align, my buddies nutes were 'dialed in', and everything was perfect and turned out amazingly well and better than where I'm at now. However, I'm a total newbie using two bottles of solution for the entire grow and things are looking pretty darn good. I basically left it with my friend at "show me you can do it better and I'd be happy to do as you suggest." Perhaps a little cocky on my part but homebrewers pictures were all the evidence I needed to know there's a better way. Thank goodness there's a few enlightened minds on this forum. Time to relax!like^^
hey jride, I'd tell your friend to start his own grow then WE can have a controlled experiment next time
joe macclennan
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pshhh! I'll be the first to admit it. I've been doing this over a decade too. and thanks to threads like this i've learned i've been doing it wrong
I'm very happy to admit that I can still learn a thing or two.
Ok Im really not trying to be difficult but a little help would be great.
Also I think Homebrew and J.ride are awesome!!!
I have read all the Dyna-Gro post since 2010 and just want to find out what "Homebrewer" is using today as far as Dyna-Gro is concerned.
The only response I received was from J.ride who said "start with the maintenance dose and adjust from there" thanks but not very helpful.
Also here is a feeding schedule from someone else on the forums. Any feedback on this picture would be great.
Heres a feeding schedule from Homebrew from 2010.
But since then he has mentioned Foliage pro many times. So please could someone help.
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Also I think Homebrew and J.ride are awesome!!!
I have read all the Dyna-Gro post since 2010 and just want to find out what "Homebrewer" is using today as far as Dyna-Gro is concerned.
The only response I received was from J.ride who said "start with the maintenance dose and adjust from there" thanks but not very helpful.
Also here is a feeding schedule from someone else on the forums. Any feedback on this picture would be great.
Heres a feeding schedule from Homebrew from 2010.
But since then he has mentioned Foliage pro many times. So please could someone help.
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- HomeBrewer "Having almost one DG grow under my belt (so take that for what it's worth), here is what I am feeding my AK47s off camera in mls/gallon:"
- Grow 3.5
Bloom 5
ProTekt 5
MagPro 1.5
Bloom (1350 ppm for 4-5 weeks):
Grow 2.5
Bloom 7.5
ProTekt 5
MagPro 1.5
Ripen (1250ppm for 1-2 week):
Grow 0
Bloom 10.5
ProTekt 5
MagPro 0
Also I would like to share a schedule from "Ryan" an employee of Dyna-Gro (He is no longer there)
Just trying to add a little more value to this thread.
Just trying to add a little more value to this thread.
- He says...........
Foliage Pro is more suited for MMJ then Grow is and this came from Ryan at Dyna Gro before he left the company last year he set me up with Foliage Pro, Mag Pro, K-L-N, and Protekt. This year I am thinking of adding Gravity to the mix.
Veg Cycle in 55 Gallons.
Dyna Gro Foliage Pro 200 ml
Dyna Gro Mag Pro 100 ml
Dyna Gro K-L-N 150 ml
Dyna Gro ProTekt 150 ml
Age Old Humic 12 200ml
Age Old Sea Kelp 100 ml
Endo Maxx 1 tsp per gallon
Bloom Cycle: I adjust the amount of Mag Pro throughout the weeks of bloom cycle.
Dyna Gro Foliage Pro 100 ml
Dyna Gro Mag Pro 200 ml
Dyna Gro ProTekt 150 ml
Age Old Humic 12 200ml
Age Old Sea Kelp 100 ml
Endo Maxx 1 tsp per gallon. I stop using this three weeks in too bloom.
joe macclennan
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for me a 50/50 blend of gro/fol pro in veg with 1 ml/gallon protekt is rockin. @ ec of .6-.7
first two weeks of flower 50/50 same as above with 1 ml of bloom added ec of .7-.8
weeks 3-5 roughly 50/50 grow/bloom ec .8-.9
weeks 6-9 about 30/70 grow/bloom ec .9-1.0
sealed f&d hydroton 3x/day flood w/co2 and room temps about 90f 60w/sq.ft lighting
edit: I am adding about 1/2 ml of magpro in flower but only to use it up. When it is gone i'm not going to be using it anymore. I don't think it is needed.
am running 80% ro water 20% ww
hth
first two weeks of flower 50/50 same as above with 1 ml of bloom added ec of .7-.8
weeks 3-5 roughly 50/50 grow/bloom ec .8-.9
weeks 6-9 about 30/70 grow/bloom ec .9-1.0
sealed f&d hydroton 3x/day flood w/co2 and room temps about 90f 60w/sq.ft lighting
edit: I am adding about 1/2 ml of magpro in flower but only to use it up. When it is gone i'm not going to be using it anymore. I don't think it is needed.
am running 80% ro water 20% ww
hth
homebrewer
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I don't do anything like the above 'schedule' anymore. I'm also hesitant to give out any specific numbers because what works for me and my strains in my environment might not work for you. I use DG in promix and hydro, have you mentioned your growing method yet?
Homebrew
I would be growing in Coco.
Im a little confused as to why you dont want to tell anyone what your feeding schedule is.
I know that this all has to do with the Strain, humidity, temperature, lighting, PPM meters and CO2.
If you now have a secret formula that you use and dont want to tell anyone, I can respect that.
But a ton of people on this forum look up to you as a Expert Dyna-Gro grower and what your doing today
in regards to Dyna-Gro would be very helpful to a ton of us.
Thanks for all you have done on this forum.
Your still the best.
I would be growing in Coco.
Im a little confused as to why you dont want to tell anyone what your feeding schedule is.
I know that this all has to do with the Strain, humidity, temperature, lighting, PPM meters and CO2.
If you now have a secret formula that you use and dont want to tell anyone, I can respect that.
But a ton of people on this forum look up to you as a Expert Dyna-Gro grower and what your doing today
in regards to Dyna-Gro would be very helpful to a ton of us.
Thanks for all you have done on this forum.
Your still the best.
homebrewer
Well-Known Member
I could post a guideline as to how I feed but it's just that, a guideline. Your plants will tell you what they want and when they want it. But following someone else's feeding chart teaches you nothing about reading your plants or what your plants actually like. If you don't learn how to 'read your plants' and 'my schedule' stops working for you one day, how do you solve that problem? Scrap mine and start using another feeding chart? What happens if your environment or your medium or your water is the issue when you think it's the plant food? At that point you're just fumbling around in the dark with no real knowledge to help you through.
For coco, I'd recommend RO water, Foliage pro and protekt from start to finish. As J.RIDE stated, start with the 'maintenance' directions written on the bottles and adjust from there. If you actually start using RO water, Foliage Pro and Protekt, you're already ahead of the curve. If you don't want to start with the 'maintenance directions' then feed at whatever EC/ppm is giving you good results right now.
j.ride
Member
Haha, I appreciate it but this is really all HB and those he learned from. All I have done is mixed some chemicals every once in a while, made sure to water every day, and snapped some pictures every now and then.
The sad thing is that I really don't know much about what I'm doing and I have been somewhat lazy about everything. The fact that things still look good is a testament to Dyna-Gro and the information HB has shared in this thread.
If youre still struggling with feeding charts and what to do, KISS really applies with Dyna-Gro. I've been using about 2/3 grow and 1/3 pro-tekt this whole time. Nothing else. I'm using tap water so my results can and probably will differ from yours. My bottle of grow is almost out and I will be switching over to foliage pro at that point. I haven't been doing it as an exact science and sometimes those values are a little off. I've been shooting for a ph of 6.3 and ppm around 700 for a few weeks now. Sometimes it's a little more, sometimes a little less. I bought cheap meters so who really knows but I do calibrate them every once in a while.
Again, I'm lazy about this and don't like doing unnecessary work. So I've been feeding all of my plants in both veg and different stages of bloom out of the same mix. This has got to be by far the greatest benefit of using one solution throughout. I probably could fine tune my mixture on a per plant or per week basis but what I have been doing is easy and seems to work. I may try getting a little fancier in the future but for me this will provide a great baseline.
Pictures below. It's day 47 I believe. The finish line is in sight. I've upgraded myself from my cell phone camera to an old point and shoot, though I still dont think its doing everything justice. I'm a learning
I have a problem with bugs. I thought I had them under control but they took off yet again. Its nothing crazy, but theyre definitely around. I did a Pyrethrum fogger twice, 5 days apart. That dealt the buggers some damage but did not wipe them out. The plants seemed unaffected. There may have been some more orange hairs present afterwards but that could also just be the timing. I also kind of screwed up with this. The first round I did 3 hours before lights out and I turned off my ventilation. I figured, eh, theyve only got 3 hours to go, how hot can it get? Well . It got hot. My temps have been between 65-85F but that night it got to 107 for at least a while. There was no apparent damage besides the possible orange hairs but I learned my lesson. I hope it did not affect my yield. The hydro shop guy also said Do not use this after week 4. It is safe but it will cause you to have a premature harvest. The rebel in me said to hell with this guy, look at all the other crap/FUD he pushes but who knows. Looking back, it may not have been the smartest thing to do as Im trying to establish my baseline.
I can see bugs being a big problem, especially with a perpetual harvest. Being that I'm potentially less than two weeks away from harvest I think I'll let my babies be and cross my fingers at this point. Ill probably start spraying more, earlier on, and this is definitely an area where my lack of expertise is showing. To his credit, my buddy has been a big help with this as his trained eyes can spot bugs that I did not see. Id probably be overrun at this point if it wasnt for him.
That's all for now, I'll have another update soon!
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homebrewer
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It's easy to stay ahead of bugs, it's not so easy to fight them. Sweep, wipe surfaces down, clean your room and bugs will be cake to manage. I like to go on about plant food and all but environmental management is really the MOST important part of cultivating good meds. Live and learn but don't get lazy.
Buds look good though!
jointed
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That's some damn good advice right there HB
MaineMooseRider
Member
Hello HB and community. I have been reading all the post but it will take awhile. I'm on page 103 at the moment. I am disabled from a failed back surgery, blah blah. My doc gave me a script and I am growing my own. I picked DWC 4 bucket, in a 4x4x6'8" tent. 600 watt ballast. I got an enclosed hood with a fan blowing air over bulb and out exhaust. I have a carbon filter setup but plant are only 21 days from when I put them in rock wool cubes and in the net pots. It took me the last six months saving to get everything to try and have a good first grow. I know I picked about the hardest way to grow but it was on purpose. I need something to make me get out of bed. Anyways I got a pH meter and have been keeping it between 5.7-6.2. I got a Dipstick ppm meter.
my concern. I changed water today in one plant and change another tomorrow in another. I put 5 tsp pro-TeTk and 4 tsp Grow(4 gallons per bucket) and the dip stick only shows ppm between 280-420(.7), 200-300(.5) EC0.4-0.6. Looking at the non-recirculating feeding schedule I have it looks like I'm running a little lean. I am trying to KISS and I am using only Dyna-Gro Grow, Bloom, Pro-TeTk and Mag-Pro. I didn't put any mag-pro in cause I am running from well water and I read something about only using it if running RO. It will be awhile before I can afford RO. There are a couple other things I need first. I don't think my plants look to bad but then I start second guessing thinking I see something. I have gone on and on and my apologies. Just learning and trying to do it as best I can and kind of wondering if I'm under feeding. I'm fairly sure I'm not over feeding. Here is my picture and Hello community.
my concern. I changed water today in one plant and change another tomorrow in another. I put 5 tsp pro-TeTk and 4 tsp Grow(4 gallons per bucket) and the dip stick only shows ppm between 280-420(.7), 200-300(.5) EC0.4-0.6. Looking at the non-recirculating feeding schedule I have it looks like I'm running a little lean. I am trying to KISS and I am using only Dyna-Gro Grow, Bloom, Pro-TeTk and Mag-Pro. I didn't put any mag-pro in cause I am running from well water and I read something about only using it if running RO. It will be awhile before I can afford RO. There are a couple other things I need first. I don't think my plants look to bad but then I start second guessing thinking I see something. I have gone on and on and my apologies. Just learning and trying to do it as best I can and kind of wondering if I'm under feeding. I'm fairly sure I'm not over feeding. Here is my picture and Hello community.