Defoliation, Your thoughts?

BigBuddahCheese

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I been defoliating for years in DWC, just like stump. I do mine at basically 20-23 days and again at 33-35 days. Never strip the plant naked, but if a leaf is shading some buds its gone no questions. Plants always get bigger and never an issue, except nugs get bigger, denser and danker then if covered by surrounding foliage.

In soil the fans might provide better storage for searching for nutrients, I am not sure I never grew soil. In DWC out of the 50 or so strains I have ran, never an issue. I even start the process in veg, and they never complain.
 

Huel Perkins

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Worst thread in icmag history. That k33ftrees douchebag who started it has probably ruined so many people's grows.

Leave you fucking leaves on your plants. Jesus Christ.

Agreed!

I can't believe so many people in this thread think chopping off leaves helps a plant lol!

If you have shaded or lower bud that are underdeveloped, its not your leaves fault, its because you don't have enough light.
 

Rrog

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Maybe a person would at least have a look at the Mainlining thread that has been posted / referenced here half a dozen times before further comment. Emotional outbursts don't cut it.
 

stumpjumper

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Proof is in the results I guess... I have 1200watts over a 4x6, seems plenty to me.. I started growing 20 years ago, I have seen a definite benefit by trimming fan leaves.. I've grown enough without trimming to tell a difference.. Y'all are too book smart.

Someone call Ripley...
 

Cory and trevor

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isn't it counterintuative to pull a plant to the ground away from the light source it is desperately reaching for? we LST to great sucess. hacking off the top seems hasty but works when we top a plant for it to grow more efficiently. growing in rocks and water is kind of unnatural too...but works well. FIM was an obvious mistake you can tell from the naming of the technique. you get my point....it's not always the most straight forward natural logical thing that a plant responds best to.
 

Rrog

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What a great summary with examples.

And I will say again, if someone can't take 30 seconds to look at the best collection of bud pron on the RIU Mainlining thread, then clearly they are simply looking to argue for argument's sake and this is a presumptuous waste of everyone else's time.
 

Dank You, More Please

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I was really skeptical about this at first, but after doing a lot of reading and seeing great results from people doing it I think I'm going to try this on a few plants.
Now this if my first MJ grow, but I'm very familiar with plant biology, and when I first read about defoliation I thought that it would be the exact opposite of what you would want, based on what we know about plant growth and photosynthesis.

Why would you want to remove fan leafs when they are the essential powerhouses for most of the plants growth. But the more I think about it the more I think there may be some other action, hormonal or otherwise taking place by the removal of the leaves. The plant is cut off from what nature has designated as it's primary photosynthetic site, but MJ is a resilient plant, and clearly can draw from other sources to offset the damage. But you are playing god in an indoor grow, so as long as every other need is met I think it could be beneficial. Besides, who knows what effect these released hormones could have on flowering and bud development?

This is kind of a crude analogue, but I think it represents just how often organisms have to come up with alternative means to continue homeostasis. Think about when you cut yourself, you have a visible laceration for a few days then a scar forms (cutting the fan leaf), during the time that you have the scar it is structurally different than your skin but it serves the same purpose (the still growing defoliated plant). In the end, you probably won't even be able to tell that the scar was there in the first place, and the end result is the same if not stronger, thicker skin (the plant producing dank buds still in the end).

Hope I got what I was trying to say across effectively, just finished toking on some NL, needless to say, I'm sufficiently ripped :bigjoint:
 

sorethumb

Active Member
Agreed!

I can't believe so many people in this thread think chopping off leaves helps a plant lol!

If you have shaded or lower bud that are underdeveloped, its not your leaves fault, its because you don't have enough light.
can i ask do you top ,fim or crop your plants . be honest lol topping is cutting the entire tops off fimming is spliting them but taking leaves is crazy how is it any different . wanting more colas is different then wanting more of them . lmao i cant believe so many ppl think its any different .
 

CashCrops

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This reminds me of the 24-36 hrs of darkness and cold argument. I have done this and I didn't see a huge benefit but it didn't seem to hurt the plant either. I would have to have two identical females side by side, same size, nutes, light yata yata. Then clean one up of it's blocking fan leaves and leave the other alone to see how much if any would be gained or lost. I believe in improving techniques and it's done by experimenting and documenting. This how we learn what works and what doesn't. I'm sure there are many arguments over many so called techniques and the only way to know for sure is when someone does side by side comparison and not just once but more then once and has documented proof to back it.
 

Cory and trevor

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plants and animals are the same in this way. I am a personal trainer and a triathlon coach and I can say from much experience and reading that the techniques always come first, then the science of why it works comes after any and all breakthroughs. resting before an event, counterintuative to most but tapering correctly improves performance woithout doubt. You drop a light on a plant and tie it back up hoping you didn't kill it and it turns out the healthiest biggest yeilder of the clones in the room. now you ask why did that happen and figure it out but the technique comes first again. the moldy samich and pennicilin, you know. I respect all and here and you all have great posts and ideas on the subject both pro and against. Trying to go as natural as possible is one perspective. I think it works much better on landrace strains that you replicate thier regions environment though and you'd be hard pressed to find landrace-we're all using crazy ass specialy bred cultivars so I don't think it pertains as well. every plant is different and responds different even in a single pack of 10 seeds from the same breeder of the same strain. discussion is great, I like how its a talk and not a fucktard pissing contest. this couldn't have happened here 8 months ago.
 

sorethumb

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yeah we all have the same goal . trying to help our plants make the best possible buds. and as much as they can lol. maybe all these methods could all be usefull depending on the plants. with the proper application who knows maybe. ? i dont see how topping is any different from defoiliating. your still cuting the plants to create more bud sites.either along the stems. or makeing more colas .we still want the best no matter what methods we use.
 

superstoner1

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huge difference between topping and defoliating. i have many strains now and many, many more i have tried over the years and i have yet to find one that i like topped better than letting it grow.
 

nick88

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Or is the over reaction to defoliating the same as the over reaction to light degrades thc..
We all hear people say trim in am cause the light degrades the thc.. All the studies i've seen were done using sunlight to test this, and yes it degraded thc.. But, it was because of the intense uvb and other harmful rays the sun emits... My point is, indoor lights don't have these, at least not in the levels to do damage, so does it really make a diff. when you trim.
 

stumpjumper

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Or is the over reaction to defoliating the same as the over reaction to light degrades thc..
We all hear people say trim in am cause the light degrades the thc.. All the studies i've seen were done using sunlight to test this, and yes it degraded thc.. But, it was because of the intense uvb and other harmful rays the sun emits... My point is, indoor lights don't have these, at least not in the levels to do damage, so does it really make a diff. when you trim.
Not sure where you're going with this, defoliating is just removing fan leaves to let light in to lower parts of the plant.
 

nick88

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I know, i do it on every grow.. I was talking about all the negative thoughts to defoliating, Same as the thoughts of indoor lights degrading thc.. Over reactions to something.
 

nick88

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I have had lil small light green buds that were covered by big leaves, trimmed the big leaves and 2 dys later the light buds looked just as good as the rest of hte buds.
 

nick88

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he is saying people over react to ideas without ever trying them. closed mind=closed mouth.
Exactly, just because something is new, doesn't mean it's wrong or doesn't work.. I mean, if growers 10 yrs ago were to see what growers today are doing with their plants... They would have said we're crazy as hell.
 
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