cops took my plants!

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
Yeah, you're gonna get a charge eventually. I'd guaran-fuckin-tee it.

Just because the items weren't on the search warrant does not mean they weren't allow to confiscate them (that's absurd to thing that would be the case). Sure, the plants weren't included in the warrant, but that's not the point, the warrant is to gain access to the property, not a laundry list of things they're allowed to take, and have to leave anything else illegal there and forget they ever saw it. Just doesn't work like that.
actually, that's exactly how it works billy bob... they can surely confiscate anything the find in the search, but unless it was listed on the warrant as what they were looking for, they can't use it against you in a court of law, and therefore can't be charged with it..

if it's not listed on the warrant, it's an illegal search and seizure at that point and would get thrown right out of court if they tried to press charges on you.. :)
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
when dealing with police in any situation the best thing to remember is, yes sir, no sir, i dont know sir, not at all sir. most people talk themselves into trouble.
yah, 'cuz the cops would only look in places that are out in the open for a murder suspect and would never think of opening a closed door during a search..:wall:
 

billybob420

Well-Known Member
actually, that's exactly how it works billy bob... they can surely confiscate anything the find in the search, but unless it was listed on the warrant as what they were looking for, they can't use it against you in a court of law, and therefore can't be charged with it..

if it's not listed on the warrant, it's an illegal search and seizure at that point and would get thrown right out of court if they tried to press charges on you.. :)
Being on the wrong side of a search warrant I can assure you that's not true.
 

curious2garden

Well-Known Mod
Staff member
It was a legal search & seizure. If you don't believe that look up Plain Sight Doctrine. Now move and get legal they usually come back. If you failed the attitude test you can bet they will be back.
 

haight

Well-Known Member
Sounds like incidential evidence found during a legitimate search. You're fucked if they decide to pursue it. My guess is they're homicide cops that don't want to get dragged into a pot bust.
 
suk it up and be glad thats all you got seriously if you arent legal

put it this way what you were doing (growing) is illegal

what they did by taking your stuff with no warrant is illegal

so its kinda like a cancelation on the two they cant win in court if they brought charges cause all thier evidence was illegaly seized

you wont win cause honestly it wud be stupid for you to persue any info as that may turn into you being legally investigated therefore you loosing big time
 

born2killspam

Well-Known Member
actually, that's exactly how it works billy bob... they can surely confiscate anything the find in the search, but unless it was listed on the warrant as what they were looking for, they can't use it against you in a court of law, and therefore can't be charged with it.. if it's not listed on the warrant, it's an illegal search and seizure at that point and would get thrown right out of court if they tried to press charges on you.. :)
Here that would be considered a serendipitous discovery under exigent circumstances and could be used against you in court..
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
actually, that's exactly how it works billy bob... they can surely confiscate anything the find in the search, but unless it was listed on the warrant as what they were looking for, they can't use it against you in a court of law, and therefore can't be charged with it..

if it's not listed on the warrant, it's an illegal search and seizure at that point and would get thrown right out of court if they tried to press charges on you.. :)

I'm certain this is NOT true.

Warrants specify what police are permitted to search for.

However, if cops are conducting an otherwise legal search, anything they find along the way is "fair game", even if its not detailed in their search warrant. If they find evidence of another crime, absolutely that evidence can be admitted into a court of law.

The key here is LEGAL. If the warrant specifies that the cops are looking for a stolen truck, for example, then they can't look in your sock drawers, because obviously you can't hide a truck in there.

But if they're looking for a handgun, on the other hand, then they can go through drawers, look under the bed, pry loose floorboards, and pretty much look anywhere they think a gun might be hidden. Along the way, if they find an ounce of weed, you better believe that evidence would be admissible in a court of law and you could go to jail for it.

In this case, I have no idea what was written in the OP's warrant. Did he read it? Does he have a copy of it? Hell. . .is he even sure there WAS a warrant? Cops lie all the time, and I wouldn't put it past them to lie about having a warrant. In fact, reading the below, they probably didn't have one at all:


i was already cuffed in a car when they actually did it. these dudes swooped up on me at a business parking lot which is on the other side of alley that i live. i was there ony to have lunch with one of the salon owners. as i pulled into the parking space, just in front of her salon, i had officers,some in uniform, some undercover surrounding my vehicle..
they started to question me about the whereabouts of my buddy. as if i had any clue!? cant give too much info on what their investigation was about but then one of the cops said that they were gonna search the pad. well of course im gonna give them a hard time about giving them any info, even though i didnt know shit, i end up cuffed, in the back of a unit, and we go around the business plaza back to my alley and we came up to my place and i see my door already open. They took my fucken keys out of my ignition! anyway, obviously they seen my grow, lookin for my buddy, during their investigation. i spent a few nights locked up at the station. i was never put under arrest, they questioned me and when they released me, they gave me this stupid paper i had to sign that i was only detained, not arresteded!!!and off i go! Its been almost a week since that day. the person they were lookin for turned himself in with his lawyer yesterday. i wanna know since i had nothing to do with the investigation in the first place, what happens of me. I lost a few days of work, my shit gets ripped off, lots of hard work just shitted on!!! to all fellow growers what do i make of this situation??? thaks for all your inputs!
OK, its all clear now.

They were looking for your friend. My guess is that they had a warrant FOR HIS ARREST, but not to search his (your) property. Did you SEE the search warrant? Do you have a copy of it? If NOT, that's a big fat red flag that they didn't have one.

Without one, they would not legally be entitled to look through your property.

They probably did so anyway, hoping to catch your friend. Had they caught him, they could have just claimed they saw him through a window, at which point they wouldn't need a further warrant to get him.

Anyway, while presumably searching ILLEGALLY they found your grow. Then. . .even though they couldn't actually press charges for it (since their search was illegal), they decided to sweat you for it, hoping you'd give up your friend.

Were you under arrest? DAMN RIGHT you were. If they held you at the station for more than 24 hours and didnt let you leave, then BY DEFINITION you were "under arrest".

Of course without probable cause your arrest was illegal too. . .which is why they made you sign a piece of paper saying you were just "detained". After all, if you were just "detained" and you agree that its what happened, well you can't sue them for false arrest, illegal search and seizure, etc.

The fact that you were knee-deep in illegal weed is what let them get away with this. Because they know you were probably scared s@#tless, that you probably aren't going to file false arrest charges against them, sue them for illegally searching your place, and you can't do jack about the weed they destroyed.

Annoying, but I don't think there is anything you could have done here to prevent this. The cops weren't going to let you keep your weed in any case, and if you pissed them off, they might have figured out a way to obtain probable cause and get a warrant, in which case you'd have been actually busted.

The only thing I can say is that "next time" you're illegally growing, try to stay away from homicide suspects! If cops take you downtown, keep your mouth shut and make sure you get a lawyer to represent you ASAP. Don't sign any papers without a lawyer present.

I don't think the outcome would have been different here, but a good lawyer would probably have gotten you out of "detention" within one day, instead of several days.
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
Here that would be considered a serendipitous discovery under exigent circumstances and could be used against you in court..
That's the "cop runs into burning building to save baby then discovers meth lab" situation. If a cop is chasing someone on foot, and they run into a building, the cop is allowed to follow them, even if he doesn't have a warrant. Then, once in there, he's not allowed to conduct a search, but anything that's out in the open that he can see is fair game, and potentially admissible as evidence.

In this case, I doubt there were truly "exigent circumstances".

Even if the cops legitimately thought the friend was in the house, they had it surrounded, and he wasn't going to get away. They didn't "have" to barge in.

Ultimately, either the cops had a legal right to be in that house or they didn't.

If they didn't, then nothing they saw there would be admissible as evidence, and I think that's probably what happened. The cops figured if they caught the suspect, they'd have him, and since they probably had a warrant for his arrest, it wouldn't matter if their entry into the dwelling was illegal, since they weren't really interested in searching it for anything other than the suspect anyway.

Because if they actually DID have a warrant to search the place, they'd probably have arrested and charged whomever was growing illegally there.
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
Yeah, you're gonna get a charge eventually. I'd guaran-fuckin-tee it.

Just because the items weren't on the search warrant does not mean they weren't allow to confiscate them (that's absurd to thing that would be the case). Sure, the plants weren't included in the warrant, but that's not the point, the warrant is to gain access to the property, not a laundry list of things they're allowed to take, and have to leave anything else illegal there and forget they ever saw it. Just doesn't work like that.

I agree with the second bit, but not the first.

Most definitely if the cops truly had a search warrant for that property, then any pot they found along the way could legitimately be entered into evidence.

But I sincerely doubt that they're going to charge the OP. They wouldn't have held him for three days and NOT charged him, if they were inclined to do so. And if they had the goods to make charges stick, they wouldn't have made him sign a statement saying that he was just "detained". The only reason to do that is to cover THEIR butts. . .implying that THEY did something wrong. If they had the goods, they WOULD have just arrested him, otherwise, holding a person for three full days without arresting them looks REALLY bad.

I conclude that the reason they didn't charge the OP is because they knew their case wasn't legally sound. . .probably because they knew the evidence they seized wasn't admissible. In fact, they might have spend some of that three day detention time going over the case with the DA to see if they could make anything stick.

So I think the OP probably dodged a bullet here.

If he feels "hassled" by the cops, he should look at it from THEIR perspective. . .they did him a HUGE favor by destroying his weed and preventing him from facing a manufacturing/cultivation charge involving dozens of plants!
 

dank smoker420

Well-Known Member
i dont think that they will charge you with it. if they wanted to they probably would of done it already. since they have all the evidence and it would be a good case if it was a legal one. the police can charge you and then not take you to court, they have two years and then you can get it expunged. is happening to me right now. i have till september. hopefully nothing comes in the last months...
 

fb360

Active Member
EHh, I bet they are getting their ducks in order before returning.
Maybe. But he only had 20 or so plants and some clones he said, I believe. That's nothing. They are looking for the 100+ plant ops.

I would say you're fine. Fine, and extremely lucky
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

Well-Known Member
All you guys that say he won't be charged because they havent yet have no clue what you are talking about. There is nothing that says they have to charge you right away and in many cases they present it to the DA and he makes the decision, or if they were homicide they would turn the case over to the drug cops. I've seen people charged 6 months after the fact. And yes, they can use what they found as evidence even though a warrant was for something unrelated, it used to be not the case but thanks to a pro-police supreme court anything in plain view (and sometimes not) is admissible.
 

FlyLikeAnEagle

Well-Known Member
Maybe. But he only had 20 or so plants and some clones he said, I believe. That's nothing. They are looking for the 100+ plant ops.

I would say you're fine. Fine, and extremely lucky

There are plenty of poor souls sitting in a cage right now over half a dozen plants. Please stop spreading bullshit.
 

fb360

Active Member
There are plenty of poor souls sitting in a cage right now over half a dozen plants. Please stop spreading bullshit.
Wow...

Obviously cops, the feds, and the dea, are constantly looking for larger grows. If you disagree, you're too far gone to argue with.
I didn't say he wouldn't get charged. In fact, I said maybe, and if he doesn't, he is "extremely lucky". That statement alone implies that he could have easily been charged. Maybe you should read and think before you respond.
 

born2killspam

Well-Known Member
Wow...Obviously cops, the feds, and the dea, are constantly looking for larger grows. If you disagree, you're too far gone to argue with.I didn't say he wouldn't get charged. In fact, I said maybe, and if he doesn't, he is "extremely lucky". That statement alone implies that he could have easily been charged. Maybe you should read and think before you respond.
The OP hasn't even stated where he's from.. In certain places the cops will choose to just seize that many plants and walk away, but most places aren't like that.. And as somebody else stated, they have alot og options and time to proceed prudently.. Without ALOT more info it's all a craps shoot..
 

titobhoy

Active Member
what is op? and if im the op well it happened in so. cali. anyway you guys are the best taking your time out with all your replies. anyway since they released me, after all i didnt have shit to do with that case, can they really bring up something to me six months down the line? sounds like they should be charging me a lot sooner than that if they were to. and someone brought up me looking for a lawyer. how do i go about that? i barely have any money as it stands now. do i find a lawyer that gets paid after i win a case??????? i have no idea how that stuff works.
 
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