completely forgot when i started flower

chuck estevez

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Cause all unhealthy plants die?.................. I burned a plant once to the point the plant looked like it was a lifeless, leafless twig, with n 3 times in veg and 2 times with p in flower. The plant was so sad looking. And it finished dank, smelly, and rather heavy for 15% humidity 4 bulbs of t5 constant temps of 68F. Just cause the plant looks healthy, doesnt mean you are maxing the genetic potential. Organic growers find good microbes increase yield up to a 100 times in many plant species.
Organic growing is awesome, dude. If I had a back yard and could cook up my own soil, And had time to let it do it's thing, re use it and all those good things, i would, But as i said, I grow indoors, In A 4 month time span. I use only enough nutes to keep plants happy, i use the same water barrel and nutes for veg and flower. I grow 6 ft trees that stay green until the buds are finished, i then try to get the sugars to, for lack of a word I can't remember, I will use ferment. I have people who will only smoke MY weed. do you get it now?
 

Kush Knight

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Organic growing is awesome, dude. If I had a back yard and could cook up my own soil, And had time to let it do it's thing, re use it and all those good things, i would, But as i said, I grow indoors, In A 4 month time span. I use only enough nutes to keep plants happy, i use the same water barrel and nutes for veg and flower. I grow 6 ft trees that stay green until the buds are finished, i then try to get the sugars to, for lack of a word I can't remember, I will use ferment. I have people who will only smoke MY weed. do you get it now?
The only thing I've been trying to argue is nutes DO affect taste in the end, however minor. Thats why I originally called you out.
Then I mentioned organic omri certified as an easy way for newbs to have clean-er taste, and you blew up. Apparently me saying taste not yield is easier with organic is someone on their high horse spouting bullshit or propaganda? Why would I suggest chem at all then?
Again, I prefer quality formulations.
Like the ocean solutions or sea90 which Ive recently been reading on. A good tomato uptakes over 60 different minerals. So replacing 90 minerals instead of ~20 sounds really good to me. Even if I'm buying overpriced concentrated seawater. Most organic vs chem tests use poor fert formulations in the first place. And the organic part rarely focuses on microorganisms, which is the key to organic. Just watch some of those guys videos. They are great advice for chem or organic. Just can the biased and apply the applicable techniques. I don't go for profit btw, I go for quality. Which usually means 10% reduced profit margin for me.

All these arguments have been pointless from the second you tied to make me look stupid. You just proved how immature you and I can be. Im 18, what's your excuse?
 
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chuck estevez

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The only thing I've been trying to argue is nutes DO affect taste in the end, however minor. Thats why I originally called you out.
Then I mentioned organic omri certified as an easy way for newbs to have clean-er taste, and you blew up. Apparently me saying taste not yield is easier with organic is someone on their high horse spouting bullshit or propaganda? Why would I suggest chem at all then?
Again, I prefer quality formulations.
Like the ocean solutions or sea90 which Ive recently been reading on. A good tomato uptakes over 60 different minerals. So replacing 90 minerals instead of ~20 sounds really good to me. Even if I'm buying concentrated seawater. Most organic vs chem tests use poor fert formulations in the first place. And the organic part rarely focuses on microorganisms, which is the key to organic.

All these arguments have been pointless from the second you tied to make me look stupid. You just proved how immature you and I can be. Im 18, what's your excuse?
again, you are wrong, you came into the thread and quoted my post and tried claiming I didn't understand what I was talking about and the info i was posting was wrong. You being 18 explains a lot. I have been growing almost as long as you have been a live. I study this shit every day.
 

chuck estevez

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What's you damn point? I took 8th grade physical science too?
Soil Temp vs. Air temp is the main thing moving nutes up and down. Its part of the day/night cycle. Apply heat differentials to a viscous fluid inside the veins. Its the same principles as ocean currents or weather patterns.
Osmosis is moving the nutes in an out.
If I remember right, just before lights on is when the concentration of nutes is at its minimum inside the plant. Its hardly noticeable though. You do it at the end of the cycle because you want the effects of a full 12hrs.
I fail to see how this info was at all relevant. You just defined two terms without explaining how they apply in this situation. I don't even think there was a point, other than trying to sound intelligent.
here is where YOU started it
 

chuck estevez

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You are making yourself look stupid. Does the plant perform alchemy or cold-fusion and change one element into another? Those elements I keep mentioning are required in every cell for cellular reproduction. Why don't you crack your middle school science books? Glencoe has some easy to digest material.
and then , after I posted more relevant info, YOU called ME stupid.
 

Kush Knight

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again, you are wrong, you came into the thread and quoted my post and tried claiming I didn't understand what I was talking about and the info i was posting was wrong. You being 18 explains a lot. I have been growing almost as long as you have been a live. I study this shit every day.
Reread what you quoted dipshit. I only implied you don't know shit at first.
I said it wasn't fucking relevant. Which it wasnt.
I said It looked very much like you trying to sound smart.

Time you've been growing doesn't mean shit.
I know a guy who has been growing 10 years, uses mg soil and ferts, and refuses to even try castings. His stuff is known for being shitty and smelling like soap. Took till his 8th year apparently to learn the difference between a male and a female, when I can predict his plants with 85% accuracy based on structure alone.
Just because he succesfully grew for 10 years, he thought he knew all and refused to listen to anyone.
I'm fine being younger. Normally means I got longer than your aging ass. So when you die, I'm still here to dance on your grave. The only thing you gain with age apparently is knowledge and wisdom. So instead of being a young prick, why not learn from your elders and end up with 3x as much knowledge and wisdom as they got out of 60-100 years. Like how they say a kid too early will ruin your life. No one listens. Look at the teen pregnancy and abortion rates.


Heres where you started shit because I asked your point... Which apparently there was no real point besides trying to look smart. You definitely did not mention any of whats below in your original post, so how were you trying to let anyone know anything?.....
Nutrients don't move into the plant until they are broken down into a ION, of which I posted the explanation of an ION, so when people make stupid statements about nutrients changing the taste, i want them to know that it is not nutrients that causes that, After photosynthesis takes place and changes the ions into glucose that then go to the rest of the plant, it is the glucose that moves up and down and through out.
the fruit does not store nutrients, so How can it taste like nutrients?
Which was basically wrong btw. Ions still contain the properties of that element including taste... Therefore, nute taste. Those IONS are what people refer to as nutes. You are too picky about semantics.

I mean seriously, tell me any fruit in the world that tastes like nutrients/salts when over fed? I say it all the time, burn some sugar, then burn some salt, then quit making stupid statements.
My MG cherry tomato plant btw. Tastes like shit. Dumbass.


And then.....
Man, I hate to keep making you look stupid, but your statements are so far off, i feel I must teach you photosynthesis, I mean, I even posted pictures to make it easy for you.

All before I reply.

Those ions get changed during photosynthesis. Again, unprocessed IONS do make it inside the plant not as glucose or starches. They go to every cell with a chloroplast. Stems can perform photosynthesis. How if they dont get any unprocessed ions?

Anyone can copy paste random pictures and text without relating it to anything in the thread, so I was really curious about the point. IONS will taste the same as the element they come from.

They way you answered that persons question,
its like a person asks where you are from,
and you reply by slapping them in the face with a bible.
What was that for?
Im from Jerusalem, thought your dumbass would figure that out.



I asked your point. Besides making you look smart. This was your answer.
Then other people put their 2 cents in. You call them names too because you obviously know all and the majority is all wrong. And some of your pics were exactly what I was saying. Like the fucking root pics. The first pic with the def of cations and anions, even shows minerals going up and down along with the sugars and the h20. Proving my point you don't understand your own pics. Thats why books have whole pages of info with their diagrams.
And this whole time you say i'm bashing chem. NOPE. Not at all.
You are just bashing on organic styles. Over and over and over.
In the long run, almost anyone can agree, nutes affect taste. Start a new thread, not mentioning shit about you own opinion. Simply ask if nutes affect taste. Look at the majority. Depending on the grower, the difference can be unnoticeable. But the majority will agree organic tastes better. Even with fuckups.
And when you reference a blind study, there better be at least 10 people, 10,000 to be accurate. And make sure its been repeated. Penn and teller. So scientific.
 
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waterdawg

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Hmmm very interesting I must say. Well so all I've learned is what ever was in the additive I used made my pot taste like shit and I knew that cause I smoked it. The other thing I learned was by using straight water for two weeks on the remaining plants it went away. This has only happened once and I have never used another bloom booster, triche enricher, taste enhancer. My pot taste pretty good if I can toot my own horn, just curious as to why it happened when Chuck and others say it cant happen. Not putting you down Chuck just trying to find others with my experience. I hear ya about the back yard man. I miss the outdoor thing but way to much work for an old guy. Yes sometimes I get bored and try new things be it good or bad, the bad thing I used was "pure flowers" in flowering. I will post a pic later of the present run and all its had added to the res is H&G aqua flakes and a microbe tea, doing real well actually! About to hook up the CO controller next month when I get back from Mexico, just to see how things go with that.
 

chuck estevez

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Reread what you quoted dipshit. I only implied you don't know shit at first.
I said it wasn't fucking relevant. Which it wasnt.
I said It looked very much like you trying to sound smart.

Time you've been growing doesn't mean shit.
I know a guy who has been growing 10 years, uses mg soil and ferts, and refuses to even try castings. His stuff is known for being shitty and smelling like soap. Took till his 8th year apparently to learn the difference between a male and a female, when I can predict his plants with 85% accuracy based on structure alone.
Just because he succesfully grew for 10 years, he thought he knew all and refused to listen to anyone.
I'm fine being younger. Normally means I got longer than your aging ass. So when you die, I'm still here to dance on your grave. The only thing you gain with age apparently is knowledge and wisdom. So instead of being a young prick, why not learn from your elders and end up with 3x as much knowledge and wisdom as they got out of 60-100 years. Like how they say a kid too early will ruin your life. No one listens. Look at the teen pregnancy and abortion rates.


Heres where you started shit because I asked your point... Which apparently there was no real point besides trying to look smart. You definitely did not mention any of whats below in your original post, so how were you trying to let anyone know anything?.....

Which was basically wrong btw. Ions still contain the properties of that element including taste... Therefore, nute taste. Those IONS are what people refer to as nutes. You are too picky about semantics.

My MG cherry tomato plant btw. Tastes like shit. Dumbass.


And then.....

All before I reply.

Those ions get changed during photosynthesis. Again, unprocessed IONS do make it inside the plant not as glucose or starches. They go to every cell with a chloroplast. Stems can perform photosynthesis. How if they dont get any unprocessed ions?

Anyone can copy paste random pictures and text without relating it to anything in the thread, so I was really curious about the point. IONS will taste the same as the element they come from.

They way you answered that persons question,
its like a person asks where you are from,
and you reply by slapping them in the face with a bible.
What was that for?
Im from Jerusalem, thought your dumbass would figure that out.



I asked your point. Besides making you look smart. This was your answer.
Then other people put their 2 cents in. You call them names too because you obviously know all and the majority is all wrong. And some of your pics were exactly what I was saying. Like the fucking root pics. The first pic with the def of cations and anions, even shows minerals going up and down along with the sugars and the h20. Proving my point you don't understand your own pics. Thats why books have whole pages of info with their diagrams.
And this whole time you say i'm bashing chem. NOPE. Not at all.
You are just bashing on organic styles. Over and over and over.
In the long run, almost anyone can agree, nutes affect taste. Start a new thread, not mentioning shit about you own opinion. Simply ask if nutes affect taste. Look at the majority. Depending on the grower, the difference can be unnoticeable. But the majority will agree organic tastes better. Even with fuckups.
And when you reference a blind study, there better be at least 10 people, 10,000 to be accurate. And make sure its been repeated. Penn and teller. So scientific.
so, in short, you're just a little butt hurt troll who thinks he is smart, when you really are just a smart ass. I mean all these people keep telling you so. the only thing you grow organic is your pimples.
 
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Kush Knight

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so, in short, you're just a little butt hurt troll who thinks he is smart, when you really are just a smart ass. I mean all these people keep telling you so. the only thing you grow organic is your pimples.
Only you, dipshit. I still don't claim to be an expert. But at least my info isn't 95% bullshit. Have fun in your little world mister big shot amatuer grower. Keep on spamming pics and term definitions, without explaining shit. This forum, as I've learned from talking to people who've been on here for years, is filled with know-it-all dumbfucks who have no real education regarding plants, but endlessly regurgitate other uninformed posts. Some have been on the site for years, ruining RIU, posting pics as "help" without even writing anything in your own words, just straight copyright infringement. No sourcing.... Then theres newbs who post 500 messages in 5 days, trying to "help" others in the newb central area.

I'm done with this site, I see why most real growers who have been top members on other sites only join for a week before getting sick of this. Bye RIU. I'm gonna miss the 60% of good information on this site. Done being trolled only to be called a troll by a dumbass known troll.
 
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waterdawg

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You do have a point kid. This site has become a trash talking forum really. When I first got here it was the only site I found where if you did have an issue it got answered pretty quick as opposed to days or weeks, by for the most part, people that actually shared their experiences. I'm not here for advice now as much as watching the train wreck.
 
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chuck estevez

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Only you, dipshit. I still don't claim to be an expert. But at least my info isn't 95% bullshit. Have fun in your little world mister big shot amatuer grower. Keep on spamming pics and term definitions, without explaining shit. This forum, as I've learned from talking to people who've been on here for years, is filled with know-it-all dumbfucks who have no real education regarding plants, but endlessly regurgitate other uninformed posts. Some have been on the site for years, ruining RIU, posting pics as "help" without even writing anything in your own words, just straight copyright infringement. No sourcing.... Then theres newbs who post 500 messages in 5 days, trying to "help" others in the newb central area.

I'm done with this site, I see why most real growers who have been top members on other sites only join for a week before getting sick of this. Bye RIU. I'm gonna miss the 60% of good information on this site. Done being trolled only to be called a troll by a dumbass known troll.
bye little boy, don't let the door hit you on your pimply face on the way out. some should call you a whambulance
I mean, the little fuck tried to come in and talk shit and then he got shut down, he doesn't listen then storms off like a little bitch. Nuff said
 

silusbotwin

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Jesus Christ. I THINK IT'S PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED THAT YOU GUYS ARENT GOING TO BE WINNING ANY ARGUMENTS! LET IT GO! IF YOU HAVE TO FEEL LIKE YOU ARE "RIGHT" SO BAD THAT YOU WOULD FILL 14 PAGES WORTH OF A THREAD TRYING TO ARGUE, I SUGGEST YOU FIND SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOUR TIME. THINK OF ALL THE OTHER SHIT YOU COULD BE DOING INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME ARGUING ON THE INTERNET, TO NO AVAIL. IT JUST MAKES EVERYTHING WORSE FOR EVERYONE. ACCEPT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT, NO MATTER HOW MANY DIRTY NAMES YOU CALL AND INSULTS YOU THROW. WHO THE FUCK CARES!

What a complete trainwreck of a thread.
 

chuck estevez

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Jesus Christ. I THINK IT'S PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED THAT YOU GUYS ARENT GOING TO BE WINNING ANY ARGUMENTS! LET IT GO! IF YOU HAVE TO FEEL LIKE YOU ARE "RIGHT" SO BAD THAT YOU WOULD FILL 14 PAGES WORTH OF A THREAD TRYING TO ARGUE, I SUGGEST YOU FIND SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOUR TIME. THINK OF ALL THE OTHER SHIT YOU COULD BE DOING INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME ARGUING ON THE INTERNET, TO NO AVAIL. IT JUST MAKES EVERYTHING WORSE FOR EVERYONE. ACCEPT THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE WHATEVER THEY WANT, NO MATTER HOW MANY DIRTY NAMES YOU CALL AND INSULTS YOU THROW. WHO THE FUCK CARES!

What a complete trainwreck of a thread.
right, because a thread about a dude forgetting when he started flowering is so important to growing. Shit, at least there is some good info in this thread now, if you know where to look.Quit being so angry, I mean, you used ALL caps. think of what you could have been doing instead of typing that out all pissed off, just sayin.
 

Nizza

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ehh i read through all of this and really all chucks point is that the plant and the smoker can't tell the difference between properly grown or organically grown, it all comes down to how everything it broken down
 

chuck estevez

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ehh i read through all of this and really all chucks point is that the plant and the smoker can't tell the difference between properly grown or organically grown, it all comes down to how everything it broken down
right, but even organic has to be properly grown, dried.
 

waterdawg

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Teas are great, especially foliar fed. They aren't very effective if you feed lots of p though. You dont want to go above 4 imo. Peroxide kills teas, and shouldn't be used if you can avoid it. The most I've heard of working with teas is 1 cup 30% peroxide to every 50 gallons, plus teas weekly. And It likely is unnecessary at that ratio. In hydro, usually 1/4 strength nutes for 1-2 w is the appropriate flush. Yes I know the thread on flushing being bad.
Its up to you.
If you prefer synthetic, thats fine, many people do. Just don't skimp on the nutes. Use the highest quality brand you can. The plants will thank you. They'll taste good, and have no chance miracle grow disease lol.
No I used tea to get away from peroxide. I only flush if I have time but typically not so much as I'm usually running out :o. And like I said this run is only H&G, if I can find it I will try jacks hydro next sided with H&G. The shits just a little to rich for me lol. Finding a cheaper one with same results would be nice!
 

buddha42

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ehh i read through all of this and really all chucks point is that the plant and the smoker can't tell the difference between properly grown or organically grown, it all comes down to how everything it broken down
i think one part of kushes pont was that this is a thred in newbie central. i doubt the newbies r gonna grow right teh first few tims. I think hes right on organic being easier fer taste to a new grower. chuck sounded lik a troll from his firt 2 posts. If he start wit a joke, how am i suppossed 2 take him seriusly?
about a pound
realy?
 

chuck estevez

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i think one part of kushes pont was that this is a thred in newbie central. i doubt the newbies r gonna grow right teh first few tims. I think hes right on organic being easier fer taste to a new grower. chuck sounded lik a troll from his firt 2 posts. If he start wit a joke, how am i suppossed 2 take him seriusly?
realy?
how does ANYONE take you seriously when you can't even spell or form a sentence?
 
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